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Community weekly poll: Are you planning to buy a high definition DVD player?
- 5/23/07 2:23 PM
Are you planning to buy a high definition DVD player?
by Lee Koo (ADMIN) - 5/23/07 2:23 PM
Are you planning to buy a high definition DVD player?
Yes, HD DVD (Why?)
Yes, Blu-ray (Why?)
Yes, a player that plays both HD DVD and Blu-ray
I'm waiting to see which format wins (Which do you predict it will be?)
No plans to buy either one (Reasons?)
I don't have an HDTV (Reasons?)
I already own one (Which format?)
HD-DVD will win out
by cavu - 5/23/07 8:24 PM In reply to: Are you planning to buy a high definition DVD player? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
HD-DVD will win out and when it does, I will buy one.
Sony is making the same licensing mistakes with BluRay as it did with Beta.
HD-DVD offers normal DVD one side, HD-DVD on the other side!
by michaelcvoigt - 5/23/07 9:06 PM In reply to: HD-DVD will win out by cavuHow cool is that, you can buy the normal DVD now and enjoy the HD experience later.
BLU-RAY will never be able to do this ... licensing permits it.
why?
by beefmoney - 5/24/07 11:20 AM In reply to: HD-DVD offers normal DVD one side, HD-DVD on the other side! by michaelcvoigtIf you have a high def player why? would you want the sd verison on the disk to? i guess you may want to watch the lo grade verison if your bored.
Probably for future upgrade
by zgreenwell - 5/24/07 12:50 PM In reply to: why? by beefmoneyThe theory is that you will be able to buy the DVD and play it then upgrade to HD-DVD later without having to rebuy the DVD. I have yet to see a DVD like this, but they COULD exists. If they did you would expect to pay more for them anyway.
Eventually should HD-DVD become the only High definition disc format ALL DVDs could be produced as HD-DVDs without alienating people who have yet to upgrade their player. This probably wont happen, but there is at least the possibility of it.
thanks
by beefmoney - 5/26/07 7:57 PM In reply to: Probably for future upgrade by zgreenwellthat would be cool if that came about but i for one dont think it would hey but its a good idea. i think its going to take a while for one format to win. especially with dual format players becoming avaiable.
Blu-Ray v. HD TV
by ThomasDerk - 5/24/07 5:08 AM In reply to: HD-DVD will win out by cavuThis time, Blu-ray and HD DVD are going to survive. I have an Xbox 360 with HD and a PS3 with Blu-ray. Get Netflix, and half the movies are high resolution.
Sony has that certain history, doesn't it! :-(
by Cadillac84 - 5/24/07 6:48 AM In reply to: HD-DVD will win out by cavuSony has a knack for developing a superior technology and causing it to fail by restrictive licensing practices. Look at Trinitron. Look at BetaMax (which remains the professional standard, but will soon fade as even the pros move to all digital recording). There are surely others -- maybe the mini-disc which could have been a real hit if there had been easy ways to extract from mini-disc to computer.
Now there is Blu-Ray and they are doing it again!
If there were a reasonably priced dual-format player available, I'd buy one now. If there were a reasonably priced player of either format, I'd buy one now. If there were reasonably priced players of both, I'd buy both now.
As it is, there is a bunch of stuff that reminds one of Russian tanks more than electronic equipment, and much too expensive.
Not long from now, I expect to see drives for computers that are SATA and affordable. HD-DVD will surely get to that point ahead of Blu-Ray and then, for a while, we'll have both. Blu-Ray will probably fall by the way-side. (I'll probably have both.)
Other examples of technology ruined by restrictive marketing practices?
Try SCSI -- thanks, Adaptec!
Try Micro-Channel -- thanks, IBM!
Try O/S-2 -- thanks, IBM!
Token Ring -- thanks, IBM!
I'll bet many of you could add to this list.
Anyway, I think HD-DVD will prevail in the longer run and I'll buy either or both if a good "bang for buck" product appears.
C
blu-ray has already won
by CobNat - 5/24/07 12:51 PM In reply to: Sony has that certain history, doesn't it! :-( by Cadillac84and it's ridiculous that toshiba won't just give up!
Disney, Fox, Sony, Columbia, LionsGate, 20th Century Fox and MGM are all exclusively producing blu-ray discs and there are rumors of universal, who is the only studio that is exclusive to HD, becoming neutral.
The PlayStation 3 has sold way more units than the HD drive for x-box and stand alone players combined.
BD-M100A is a Blu-ray reader and 2x writer and has additional support for reading and writing DVDs and CDs, similar to other drives on the market. The drive is now available across Europe. Plus the Pioneer PC-based Blu-ray disc drives started shipping last year.
Waiting 'till the winner is declared.
by DougBP - 5/23/07 8:41 PM In reply to: Are you planning to buy a high definition DVD player? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I am waiting to see which one wins because I got stung buying a Sony Beta cassette deck. I still think Beta was the better system but Sony got "out-marketed". While I haven't done a lot of research into the merits of Blu-ray or HD DVD, I tend to be in Sony's corner again.
Sony may well push themselves out of the market again
by fordag - 5/23/07 9:22 PM In reply to: Waiting 'till the winner is declared. by DougBPBeta was a better format than VHS (quality vs quantity) at first but VHS caught up quickly. Sony also failed to properly license the technology. So more VHS VCRs were available and they were cheaper so it became the dominant format. Until finally Beta went the way of the dodo.
The question is will Sony do it again with Blu-Ray? They certainly seem to be trying to do it with their memory stick media format as well as the UMD format. Find hardware that uses either of those formats not made by Sony.
So based on Sony's current track record of creating a proprietary version of a media that already exists in other widely available formats and not licensing it well, and then over charging for it. I'm guessing Blu-Ray will be short lived.
You are arguing against yourself!
by VidPro - 5/23/07 10:38 PM In reply to: Sony may well push themselves out of the market again by fordagAs you say, Beta was marginally better than VHS, but had shorter play/record times, and that was what killed it. (I know, I was there and had to make that choice myself for a higher education institution).
While Sony had shot itself in the foot with proprietary formats, at this time at least Samsung, Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Sharp, LG, Lite-On, and Mitsubishi are selling Blu-ray players.
Who is selling HD-DVD players? Toshiba, and with their Xbox game console add-on, Microsoft.
As a matter of fact, of the top 20 DVDs sold in America over 2006, 18 also came to Blu-ray, while a meagre 4 or 5 made it to HD DVD. This is arguably one of the biggest strengths that Blu-ray has - studio support. The number of releases might be similar between the two formats, but delve deeper into the "quality" of the films on offer, and it's a different story. HD DVD seems to have an abundance of documentaries and similar content, while Blu-ray is focused more on feature films. Which would you prefer to watch? This last info came from a comparison website: http://dvd.ign.com/articles/771/771196p2.html
To top it all off, of the titles that are available in both Blu-ray and HD-DVD, more Blu-ray copies were sold than HD-DVD, even with the supposed advantage of the dual standard DVD/HD-DVD hybrid discs.
Actually, add HP, LG, NEC, and maybe Samsung to HD-DVD mix.
by Cadillac84 - 5/24/07 7:44 AM In reply to: You are arguing against yourself! by VidProYou may argue that Toshiba is making the laser engines. Well, that is not uncommon. For years, Canon made the engine for HP laser printers (and they may still for all I know!). Most of the LCD panels used for computer displays are made by one manufacturer. That becomes a problem ONLY if the manufacturer is restricive in its marketing so that the other companies it sells to can't profitably market their own end-user products.
Toshiba does NOT have that restrictive marketing history. Unfortunately, SONY DOES! So, you're going to have plenty of players to choose from.
Your comments about titles available and sales of same? I'd say it is too early to get a read on that. Sony's Blu-Ray media is harder and more expensive to record. Also, Sony exercises content nanny-sitting and that won't help the Blu-Ray side of things. HD-DVD is easier and cheaper to record and content is not restricted.
You could be right about who will win --- one man can see just as far into the ground as another (save for Superman!). It could happen this time BOTH survive. The market is HUGE. AMD and Intel survive and we benefit from their rivalry. APPLE and "PC" survive and we benefit from their rivalry.
As for me, I am "hooked on Hi-Def" just like Lee. I retired a 20 inch RCA and replaced it with a 57 inch Mitsubishi DLP and when I saw Planet Earth in 1080i, or how about Jay Leno's set on NBC-HD! (Did you see the DRESS Debra Messing was wearing last night? Holy cow!)
Anyway, being hooked on Hi-Def also means I'm going to jump on the first affordable quality Hi-Def player. I'm betting on HD-DVD so far. And I'm hoping they BOTH win! 
C
I agree
by beefmoney - 5/24/07 11:25 AM In reply to: You are arguing against yourself! by VidProI think sony in the past has made mistakes but blu-ray holds more info and since the release of the ps3 I have seen the blu-ray display grow. I think with all its studio support and with the ps3/gaming support it looks like it has the leg up! And I think people or should I say the general pop are more informed then in the past.
It would be stupid to buy an HDTV
by jdk1 - 5/23/07 8:49 PM In reply to: Are you planning to buy a high definition DVD player? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
With the price and short supplies of all forms of energy around the world today The U S congress is shoving "HDTV" down our throats,at the same time they tell us we are addicted to foreign oil. HDTV recievers will cost 10 times as much to buy as the recievers we are using now and will require 10% more electricity to operate. Is there some stupidity here? I think so! I do NOT need a "better picture", I need programs that are fit to view and worth the time I spend viewing them to say nothing of the cost of subscribing, this is carzy!
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