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Community weekly poll: When will you start using Windows Vista?
- 4/26/07 1:03 PM
I agree
by thljcl - 5/1/07 9:22 PM In reply to: A lot of crabby people out there !! by bigmuttI have used Windows Vista Home Premium since one week ago. I found that it was easy to learn and use. Don't try to use your old habit while using Windows Vista. It is a whole new OS which has its own rule. All you have to do is adapting the new environment. If you do so, you have to admit this new environment is much more better than ever before. You will never ever to harness the power of Windows Vista without suitable hardware as well as software. Try to get the latest hardware and software. Before I use Windows Vista, I have used Windows XP since 2004. I didn't buy an upgrade version of Windows Vista to be installed on my old machine because I know that my old machine is not powerful enough. Hey! Guys! You should not keep complaining on the new product. Instead, the problems you encountered may actually were not because of Microsoft but your old habits.
Sorry, but no, it wasn't due to 'old habits'
by Anysia - 5/1/07 11:08 PM In reply to: I agree by thljclI have seen first hand the disasters on *brand new machines* when Vista was installed.
All the 'positive' responses seem to be from people with very or fairly new machines. Mine isn't 'old' but I am not going to risk a total system screw up like I have seen/read/witnessed on systems over 6 months old. And no, I have no need to get a new machine to use an unstable, buggy new OS. It's not just hardware. I have several thousand dollars of software that won't (from what I have seen and read) run with Vista, and I cannot afford to have that happen.
Once again, it's ain't broke, so I ain't gonna fix it.
Vista... Buggy or Powerful?
by thljcl - 5/1/07 11:50 PM In reply to: Sorry, but no, it wasn't due to 'old habits' by AnysiaYes! Windows Vista is buggy. Hey! Which OS is not buggy? Linux? Mac OS X? none of them are not buggy. It took 5 years to develop a new OS. Are you trying to tell me after 5 years, the new OS is worse than Windows XP? Yes, you have to learn to work on Vista. Some software could not be installed ocrrectly without some hacks. In terms of stability and features, I could say Windows Vista is far more powerful than Windows XP. I knew this before I have started using Windows Vista. Like you, I read articles about Windows Vista. There are many negative reviews but also positive reviews. I choose Windows Vista because I know the new generation of Windows have come. As a dominant OS, we actually have no choice. I am sure that you can do even better with Windows Vista if you dare to learn and try. Of course, you will encounter problems. You do not give up, you will eventually find a solution. However, you should not upgrade if you have no enough money. Older version of some software does not work well in Windows Vista. That means you have to spend a lot of money to buy softwares. New software usually but not alaways work well in Windows Vista. If you are affordable, you can enjoy a far more powerful Windows than Windows XP.
Its not a matter of not having the money
by Anysia - 5/2/07 12:17 AM In reply to: Vista... Buggy or Powerful? by thljclI don't feel that the current 'generation' of Vista is a good investment. Many people are quick to get the newest and latest, and it's sometimes not the best bet. I have asked many business owners if they were going to go to Vista, and was given a resounding "No".
I have also personally seen brand new Vista machines just totally puke out. I have seen brand new store demo machines have Vista installed on them have to have their harddrives ruined during the installation. Also, the 'roll back to previous OS" doesn't work most of the time if there is a problem.
It's not an isolated incident. Many of the people going RAH RAH about vista have gotten brand new one, with software preinstalled (therefore pretested) and if they are lucky, they have no problems. Many people have problems with the pre-installed software, so I am not going to chance upgrading my computer, therefore end up unusable, and expensive, software. It is not worth the risk or the money.
Thanks so much for the compliment
by denhill - 5/3/07 8:15 AM In reply to: A lot of crabby people out there !! by bigmuttI don't appreciate being called an idiot and I am not one. Use your common sense when you are responding. I didn't RUSH out and buy Windows Vista. My old computer was no longer responding so my husband purchased a new one for me. I am not a techie so many of the issues I'm having are preventing me from operating my home based business efficiently. When I first moved to XP, I never experienced any of the problems I'm having with Vista.
Your comments could have been left unsaid.
Well, aren't we sensitive !!
by bigmutt - 5/3/07 12:23 PM In reply to: Thanks so much for the compliment by denhillI don't recall calling YOU an idiot; maybe "defensive" and "incomplete reading of the posting" would be more appropriate adjectives for you, denhill.
Users who expect no glitches or learning with a new operating system are the idiots, as my posting opined.
There's always a learning curve involved when major changes are made to a program, so don't expect to just jump in and pick up with a prettier version of XP: do some reading, practising, maybe take a course (available free on CNet) and give it some time to work out for you. Change is never painless.
I am a little surprised that someone who depends on their computer for their business would not have backups on their old (familiar) operating system and continue with these until getting used to a totally new OS.
Anyway, my gripe is mostly with the forum members who trash a product they haven't even used (or used only a very short time). Just go back and look how many comments are based on "what I've seen happen" or on what "I've heard ...". Users vowing to stay away or wait a while can certainly offer legitimate and interesting personal observations on why they're planning on waiting, but they have no business dissing a product they don't even use. (one even claimed that installing Vista can "ruin" a computer's hard-disk drive! wow!)
Like I said, this forum seems like mostly a gripe session for Microsoft bashers: users who are happy with this product are unlikely to post here: they're out there just enjoying! So, a representative sampling of Vista experiences, this ain't.
that's the only reason I added my two pesos' worth of opinion: a few months ago I upgraded a few existing XP systems without any problems and have been amazed & delighted with Vista's advanced features and improvements. I still spend many hours daily with XP and Win2000 systems but increasingly miss the Vista features I get at home with my personal laptop.
Like someone else on this forum said, after five years and billions of dollars on this effort, you really think Vista isn't significantly better, safer, faster and more stable than the previous OS? Well folks, it is. Not only my opinion but literally all of my colleagues (all engineers, btw) feel this way.
So here's to all of you silent majority who are enjoying the Vista experience.
Safer, i dont think so
by afro2358 - 5/3/07 4:37 PM In reply to: Well, aren't we sensitive !! by bigmuttFor the few months that i had Windows Vista on my computer, there was at least three (3) Security updates for it. There are some people who just don't have the patients to wait for Vista or other hardrive companies to get their act together, and i'm one of them. For the type of money that i spent for Vista Microsoft and the other companies should have gotten their act together a long time ago. The things that i do on my computer, i needed things to work and Vista was not giving me that, that is why i took it off my computer and put XP back on. I remember having an old computer with Win.98 and upgraded to XP, not a single thing was wrong with any of my hardware or drivers. Maybe somewhere down the line (a year or two) Windows Vista will be a great OS, but as of now, it's not ready for PRIME TIME. It has a few Bells and Whistles,something they could have put on XP, but that's it. And if you feel Vista is safe as you say, go to ZDNET.COM and click on Window Vista and see how safe it is. If you have time, read the whole page about how microsoft had to come up with Patches for Vista. If you are happy with your product, i will say, you are lucky.
then consider me lucky
by Dinasis - 5/3/07 5:44 PM In reply to: Safer, i dont think so by afro2358i'm pretty sure this is this is the first weekly poll forum i've ever posted in, and why? for the exact reasons bigmutt stated. i'm happy with Vista. i just replied to another poster's comments, then saw bigmutt's original post and was glad to see that i was not the only one who had come to the conclusion.
I've got your two pesos covered
by gfwooden - 5/4/07 5:25 PM In reply to: Well, aren't we sensitive !! by bigmuttMy Vista experience revolves around an XP upgrade. I followed the instructions provided by the Microsoft Upgrade advisor and the Toshiba website. I deleted the files I was instructed to delete, downloaded the drivers Toshiba recommended, did my upgrade, and then installed the new drivers for Toshiba services. I now have a very secure, well running laptop. I upgraded my memory to accommodate Vista Home Premium, went to 2GB, and went to a couple of websites for application updates. That was all I had to do. My system stays connected 24/7, and I have never had any problems with it. No more BSOD I used to occasionally get with XP. Anyone running XP can relate to those, (all who think XP is flawless). I do not know what more I could expect from this operating system, everything flows seamlessly, and automatically.
Good for you! here's a person who did it the correct way.
by bigmutt - 5/5/07 5:59 AM In reply to: I've got your two pesos covered by gfwoodenThanks, gfwooden, for pointing out that there's a proper order to follow when upgrading to a new OS. I'll bet most of the bitchin' and moanin' would be greatly reduced if people did their homework first. We are a society demanding instant gratification too often; several posters have even said "... when I have the patience ..." or similar statements.
Hand someone the keys to a new BMW and they'll claim it's just their older Chevy with a bunch of fancy add-ons. (sorry, Chevy owners, it's just a metaphor)
And luck has little to do with it; like I stated, all of my colleagues are professionals who know that procedures like this take discipline & forethought, not luck. If it was luck, then I'm surrounded by a lot of very lucky friends & colleagues and we should waste no time heading for Vegas.
(btw, I have nothing even remotely to do with Microsoft nor even own their stock; I've had plenty of harsh words & disappointments involving MSoft over the years, but this ain't one of them.)
But I do think Vista is much too expensive, and it's unfair that each installation only runs on a single machine (without hacking it, that is).
adendum
by bigmutt - 5/5/07 6:21 AM In reply to: Good for you! here's a person who did it the correct way. by bigmuttOOPS! I meant "each copy", not "each installation".
And as for Vista requiring patches? oh, I guess XP doesn't require these any more, after FIVE YEARS of tinkering? Sorry folks but patches are a fact of life, even for the competing operating systems.
And I love the "nanny" comments about Vista blocking his actions; and the "my old software won't run under Vista ..." stuff. C'mon, people: there's not only perfectly appropriate technical reasons for these but more importantly there's usually easy SOLUTIONS for them. (note: I said "usually")
Do your homework! and btw, the May 8th issue of PC Mag has a feature cover story about smart & easy ways to use Vista: some excellent info there.
Cheers!
How do I like Windows Vista...?
by denhill - 5/2/07 9:29 PM In reply to: When will you start using Windows Vista? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I recently purchased a new computer with Windows Vista. However, I loaded XP Office Suite. To say I'm frustrated is an UNDERSTATEMENT. I was unable to load my favorite email program, Incredimail, because it's not compatible. I have had so many problems that I've made a list. I don't remember ever having this many issues with XP. The more I talk to people, the more I hear "the next computer I purchase will be a Mac, that's for sure!!"
Not now~~ I'll wait for some time.
by lilyluna - 5/3/07 8:01 AM In reply to: When will you start using Windows Vista? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Because you know, now many programs cannot run normally in Vista, so......
I hope time can improve this.
When almost Vista can run almost all the programs, I'll use it.
Now I cannot give up my favorite programs just for the new OS.
When I'm forced
by juanantillon - 5/4/07 10:29 AM In reply to: When will you start using Windows Vista? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Because Vista don't runs many programs that XP do and Vista don't recognize many peripherals that XP do
Warning: Windows Vista
by williams89 - 5/5/07 4:56 AM In reply to: When will you start using Windows Vista? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I purchased a notebook which came with Vista. I have removed it and replaced it with Windows XP. Vista will remain in my notebook case until it grows up and lets people operate as they wish and not have NANNY watching and blocking too many of the moves. I could not recommned Vista to you. Removing it from my Notepad was like pulling out a back tooth. Just in case you think My Notepad was not up to the job, I checked the system for compatibility and it scored just fine. At least give it six months before purchasing this system. By then Microsoft may have sorted the Nanny bits out.
BE HAPPY
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