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Windows Vista: Microsoft admits Vista failure
Vista
by may52 - 4/27/07 4:31 PM In reply to: Microsoft admits Vista failure by soldanoIn the past, I was among the first to run out and buy the latest upgrade. For example, my first DVD burner cost me over $400. At the time that was a good price, but it's a worthless piece of equipment now. Thankfully, I've learned to hold off for awhile when anything new comes out. I've been hearing nothing but horror stories about Vista, and I think I'm going to take everyones' advice and not find out about it first hand. This may be just the nudge I need to cross over to a Mac.
Vista IS better than XP
by fzakaria - 4/27/07 5:27 PM In reply to: Vista by may52You are right to wait unfortunately, there is a rule of thumb that I heard somewhere as soon as a new operating system is released from Microsoft mark 12 months after that operating system is for sale then go upgrade if you want after the marked date.
Like someone said it is not mostly Microsoft's fault, it's OEM vendors who had from Beta 1 to RC1 to get their acts together but didnt do squat. I checked my driver inf file and found that it is actually an old xp driver, older than the latest XP driver out for the device, that one of my hardware vendor is using to be compatible with Vista of course it doesnt perform well, duh. I hacked it with a newer driver and now it works better 
As for those of you regretting your purchase of Vista then shame on you for not going to the micorosft website and find out more of what it can do and cant do, go to the forums not after you've run into issues but before even purchasing it to see what kind of issues other people are facing with it.
Vista has gone a long way since XP and to compare it with ME is not justifiable at all, just look at the security side of it and you know it's a whole new ball game, it is I dare say emotional reporting that I read rather than objective reporting from the article.
Don't blame Vista problems on drivers and vendors...
by robains - 4/27/07 8:28 PM In reply to: Vista IS better than XP by fzakariaI know it is easy to blame the 3rd party vendors that sell their hardware for WinXP, but do most of you know the process in which a driver must be "certified" by Microsoft? Let me fill you in:
1. Once you have the final released version of the OS you can start driver development (trust me you don't want to do it any time before RTM as Microsoft are known for last minute significant changes to the OS code base).
2. You do driver development (DDK) and then must submit the drivers to Microsoft for certification (or else they do NOT install cleanly with Vista).
3. If there is any other software related to the hardware that might not be part of the device driver but is bundled in, that must also be certified (the certification alone is anywhere from $500 - $2500).
This process takes considerably longer than it did in the past with WinXP and there are more levels of certification that must be acquired for a clean install into Vista. Who came up with the certification process -- yes, you guessed it, Microsoft. So blaming OEMs really just isn't fair, this process was forced on them by a very large corporation called Microsoft.
With Vista sales being pretty bad, you can see why OEMs aren't exactly wanting to devote money and resources to help Microsoft sell their OS when WinXP is perfectly acceptable.
So please, don't blame the vendors and OEM, they didn't create this mess -- Microsoft did.
Rob.
The Vendors didn't have to accept MS's strongarm OEM tactics
by intrepi - 4/28/07 4:27 PM In reply to: Don't blame Vista problems on drivers and vendors... by robainsFirst, nobody forced these vendors to load anything on their machines, they could have opted to sell their machines with no operating system but when THEY accept MS's terms and retail their machines with MS's software, then I believe the Vendors are hardly blameless. If HP, Compaq, Dell and the like want to retail their machines with OEM versions of Windows, then they and they alone are responsible for what problems arise. Putting Vista compatable, Vista ready on machines that aren't able to operate correctly as a result of poor drivers and other issues is like selling loaves of burnt bread in brown paper bags. It's bread as advertised but do you seriously think it's edible ? The vendors know the issues and sell it anyway and couldn't give a nickel about what issues you might have with it, so you'd best think this over as the blame lies with these vendors.
You can't be serious
by YSB - 4/28/07 8:05 PM In reply to: The Vendors didn't have to accept MS's strongarm OEM tactics by intrepiThere is a small percentage of advanced users who would love to by machines without an OS installed but most of those build their own machines anyways! The overwhelming majority of Dell home consumers want a machine that will run out of the box. Dell needs to pre-install an OS or they'd go out of business in a day. If a new OS comes out and they don't offer it then they'll be labeled as "Behind the cutting edge" and other such things and they'll lose business on that too. You can't blame them for pre-installing Vista on new machines.
The assumption is that after all the work that went into Vista and all the hoopla that preceded it's release it should work without much trouble.
Enter Microsoft. Big brother M$ says "Take what I give you whether you like it or not!" With most consumers not ready to move to Linux just yet, the OEMs have to put-up and shut-up if they want to stay in the game. Can you blame them for their predicament?
Just wait, if Vista sales don't go up M$ will just declare XP obsolete, stop licensing it and stop supporting it. Then everyone will HAVE to but Vista whether they like it or not and whether it works or not. With M$'s 'Genuine Disadvantage' and activation scheme, once they do that it will no longer be possible to install XP on a computer even if you're reinstalling to a computer that already had XP!
If a big vendor like HP...
by b8375629 - 4/30/07 11:43 AM In reply to: Don't blame Vista problems on drivers and vendors... by robains...or Dell, AMD, etc.. can't afford to shell out $2500 per driver certification for their printers, scanners, video cards etc.., then they need to get their heads examined and find another line of business to get into. Big 3rd party vendors with their fat corporate profits have no excuse. They can afford it. To not be able to find a HP printer driver because HP can't afford to pay the certification fee, is ridiculous.
The little vendor-developers, DIYs, one-man shops on the other hand, are gonna take a bite. There's a lot of screaming out there, no question about it.
Will the nabnobs at Microsoft listen? It remains to be seen.
Vista is dangerous
by Tcko - 4/29/07 6:12 PM In reply to: Vista IS better than XP by fzakariaThis is for the un-informed.....Vista is a joint project between Microsoft and our fine government, if you didn't know it.
It is dangerous....as is XP. XP was setup to use approx. 20% of your bandwidth for reporting to Microsoft how you were using your PC and for updates...I wonder what "spyware" they have embedded in Vista and how much bandwidth it uses?
I will never use Vista simply for that reason and as far as Microsoft security....what a joke.
I use XP pro and luckily you can take Microsoft completely out of the picture in it. I don't receive "any" Microsoft updates and my PC is not accessed by Microsoft in any way.
I do not use any Microsoft security...I use Avast and Zonealarm and I have never had any viruses in two years.
Linux is the way to go...open source!... and no one is watching what you do on your PC with it. It won't be long that all the programs that you want to use updates will be available for Linux, as Adobe has already begun....think about it...why was the government even involved with designing software with a private company?
If anyone here uses XP pro and want the info on how to remove Microsoft from using your PC ... let me know and I'll post it
my 2-cents
Tell us Please
by THHinc - 4/30/07 6:20 AM In reply to: Vista is dangerous by TckoPlease tell us how to keep MS off of our computers!
Recovering bandwidth from Microsoft and stopping windows sec
by Tcko - 4/30/07 1:40 PM In reply to: Tell us Please by THHincHere is how to stop Microsoft from always sending security updates and helps speed up your PC;
Stopping Windows Security Updates in XP
Go to start
then click on control panel
then on computer management tools
then services and applications
then services
then on security center
then under startup type ....click arrow and click disabled
then click apply then click ok
reboot and sercurity center will be disabled
This next one is for XP Pro only to recover the 20% bandwidth Microsoft steals from you;
To Get 20% more bandwidth from XP Pro only!
Microsoft reserves 20% of your bandwidth which it doesnt need
they use it to suit their own purposes such as ads and stuff
here is how to get it back from them.
Go to start
then run
then type...gpedit.msc and enter
go to local computer policy
then to computer configuration
then administrative templates
then network
then QOS packet scheduler
then to limit reservable bandwidth
click enable
change to 0 then click apply then ok
reboot and you will have full speed
that's it.
My laptop with XP Pro runs smooth and fast as silk now....enjoy
You Are Mistaken About The Bandwidth (At Least)
by pmchefalo - 5/5/07 5:38 AM In reply to: Recovering bandwidth from Microsoft and stopping windows sec by TckoThe QOS packet scheduler is a special Quality of Service service that controls how streaming video and telephony works on networks with special hardware switches. You probably don't use such a network.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_service
Looking at the processes running on your PC will show that no resources are used by the QOS service.
Turning off the security center is your choice. I suspect you did it because you were getting popupa complaining about not having an AV solution installed at all. That WILL make your PC run better if you accept the risks.
If your PC is running smoothly it is because of Microsoft's efforts to patch their software, not despite them.
You Are Mistaken About The Bandwidth (At Least
by Tcko - 5/5/07 8:56 AM In reply to: You Are Mistaken About The Bandwidth (At Least) by pmchefalo(Turning off the security center is your choice. I suspect you did it because you were getting popupa complaining about not having an AV solution installed at all. That WILL make your PC run better if you accept the risks.)
I don't think so! It's there!
If you have XP Pro and you go to where I said, you will see that Microsoft has set aside 20% of your bandwidth...whether they use all of it at one time I'm not sure...and I'm not so sure that what they would use would even show up! There are a lot of things that run in the background that don't actually show up in processes!
(If your PC is running smoothly it is because of Microsoft's efforts to patch their software, not despite them.)
ALL of my pc's run fine by eliminating Microsoft updates and all.....I use Zonealarm and Avast....and I never, ever have any issues or viruses and that is using win98....2000....Xp home and XP Pro...two laptops and two desktops! NOTHING gets in or out unless I let it!
One more thing!
by Tcko - 5/5/07 9:08 AM In reply to: You Are Mistaken About The Bandwidth (At Least by TckoIf Microsoft OP systems are so great...why do we have to reboot all the time?
I have a friend who is testing out Linux, believe it or not he has been up constantly for 6 months now without one reboot! and his resources are great.
Just because Microsoft is the largest doesn't make them the best...they are a monopoly! and that's the only reason they are even here.
I have downloaded a Linux OP and in the next few days I will be setting up another PC to try it out....and the only thing I really need to run on it is Adobe and from what I hear I can get updates for it...plus there are many free programs for music and all for linux.
As I said before...Vista was a joint venture between Gates and the government and I don't trust it any father than I can throw it
Vista has its issues but damn....
by piook - 4/30/07 3:30 PM In reply to: Vista IS better than XP by fzakariaMan there are some serious, and I mean serious mudslinging here at Microsoft. Foremost among them is the comparison of Vista to ME. I know that Vista has its issues, I mean I have trouble playing WoW with out going to a beta version of my Vid Driver and then when I want to watch video (either online or in my media center) I have to go with the release version. Yeah it is annoying but I can bet that in at least 80% of the compatibility cases I have found that there is a fix or at least a workaround available.
What gets me more than anything is the fact that people are not taking the time to research the problems that do come up. Now I understand that many people are not tech savy enough to do this (But I would think that most people post here would be!) and in this case shame on the poor customer service/tech support from many of the manufacturers: From HP to Lexmark to Logitech. Each of those someone I was called by to help them with an issue were told by one of those companies' tech supportthat Microsoft was at fault, when it turns out in 2 of them that a driver update was available at there website and in the case of HP that a driver was available through Intel on Intel's website. This is ridiculous that everyone points the finger a the big M. But it makes sense, no one wants to admit that they are the ones that dropped the ball. And in this case it looks to me that it wasn't Microsoft for a change but rather the Hardware manufactures and App developers out there.
Let's get real for a moment
by Tcko - 4/30/07 4:29 PM In reply to: Vista has its issues but damn.... by piookOk.....some of us know where to look for updated drivers and all...tweak source code...change a little bit of script.....but what about the average user?
Most are PC challenged when it comes to finding what they need...I would say at least 9 out of 10 people are lost with it.....so in saying this they have forked over 160+ bucks for Vista....then another 100 or 200 to a tech to get their PC running....kinda expensive don't you think?
No....it isn't the software vendors snafu...It's Mr. Gates fault for putting this junk OP on the market...maybe he was getting low on funds? Gimme a break! Vista should never have been released in it's present form...or maybe never!
Oh...BTW...you can get a Linux OP system as low as 50 bucks...with a windows style format...wont be long..when large companies such as Adobe get with Linux as they have already, that should speak for itself!
Gates will start crying when his pocket change falls below the 90 billion dollar mark....breaks my heart....NOT
Poor Misunderstood Microsoft
by tlsmith1138 - 5/5/07 11:35 AM In reply to: Vista has its issues but damn.... by piookWhen I went from 98 to xp, I had one small printer problem and one program I really enjoyed that wouldn't work. XP was, for the most part, backward compatable. Now they think everybody should spend, spend, spend because of their lack of concern and foresight. Talk to me again when you have to replace your graphics card when they go from 9 to 10, which they didn't feel the need to make compatable either. I hope Microsoft pays well.
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