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Folks, keep in my the GLOBAL context with Micro$oft
by Levair1968 - 4/30/07 5:20 PM In reply to: Vista IS better than XP by fzakariaAfter reading a good deal of these remarks, including this one, I would urge pro-MS'ers to keep in mind that you can't just blame users for not researching first! Remember, MS owns 85% of the world market and probably 70% (at least of the HOME market). Now, of this 70%, at least half are general users. They may not know anything other than how to cut the thing on, get their email, use the net and print out an occassional Word document. MS has an obligation, by sheer market share, to make sure that even the casual user can successfully use their product without having to go to technical classes first!!!! Think MAC! So, for geeks, YES, they should have researched first, but for everyone else, they are bearing the brunt of a greedy-a$$, monopolistic behemoth that's scared they're gonna lose a dollar around every corner!!!!
Oh, by the way, I've used MS and worked MS since it was DOS. My degree IS in Computer Science, and I have CONVERTED to Apple and the MAC for 2 years running! Now that I have an Intel Mac Book Pro, I can run you all's OS better than YOU can. With absolutely NO "blue screens of death" or any other screen of death!
Everybody, do yourself a favor, if you can't afford a high quality Mac outright, then do like I did and buy a refurbished or older model. BTW, Apple totally re-guts a refurb and offers the exact same warranty as they do on their brand new models, all for at least 15-20% off!
Thanks! http://www.store.apple.com
No, no major blow etc.
by kjeeri - 4/27/07 5:15 PM In reply to: Microsoft admits Vista failure by soldanoDell "going back to XP"? No, Dell offers XP for some machines for another 6 months. That's all. Nothing.
KE
vista - xp
by rsternb - 4/27/07 6:03 PM In reply to: Microsoft admits Vista failure by soldanoI didnt like some of the user changes in the tool bars...
picky, picky hahaha
Decided to wait for Vista w/SP2
LOL LOL
ted
Vista-XP
by edbrady - 4/27/07 6:13 PM In reply to: vista - xp by rsternbthere is no way on God's green Earth (or, at least, the parts that are still green) that I'd go to Vista.
Everyone who thinks it's "wonderful--it seems--is some minda computer geek who can figure it all out. I'm no. I'm just a user.
Everyone--it seems--who is "just a user" can't get the blasted thing to work right.
I've even had complaints from people who bought their new computer and didn't hook ANYTHING to it. They just used what's there. Sorry. They TRIED to use what's there.
Nope. Not for me. You hotshots go ahead and say how wonderful it is, but I';ve heard from people just like me.
VISTA:trash or treasure?
by chows2175 - 4/27/07 6:40 PM In reply to: Vista-XP by edbradyI felt the same way when I first got Vista on my Dell M1210. I am lucky!! I have a personal computer guru. When I have had problems I could call my friend. It might take some time but he has been able to fix everything that I had a problem with. I agree there are a LOT of bugs with it though!
Not a hotshot by any means
by mopscare42 - 4/27/07 7:09 PM In reply to: Vista-XP by edbradyThere are some very savy computer people on this forum, I am not one of them.
I get by because I am retired, my wife passed away so I have lots of time. I can read and understand most of what I read and I ask questions which is all that is really necessary.
As far as that article about Vista being ME 11 and Dell going back to XP, that is really funny. Did you see where the dude who wrote it is from? Beijing China!
He says that Vista is very hard to pirate, maybe that is why he is so upset, people from that country are known for pirating software.
Dell is not the only computer company that is offering computers with XP.
My son is buying a new HP computer for his business and was asked if he wanted Vista ultima or XP pro. What does that prove? nothing more than he has a choice.
We all have our own opinons, mine is I like Vista very much and the only problem is the Venders will not get their heads out of their rears and release the drivers and software for Vista.
If pirated Vista is bad as original who would want it
by intrepi - 4/28/07 4:37 PM In reply to: Not a hotshot by any means by mopscare42The government of China uses some form of Linux and MS has made some big decisions with regards to marketing in China at prices that wouldn't pay the return postage here. Regardless of these facts, why does anyone want or need to upgrade to Vista as there is really no reason to. Assuming Vista was free and coming as OEM on machines loaded with it, isn't free either as you are paying for it in more ways than just financial. Seems like a lot of people have bought into MS's marketing ads and failed to read the reviews or recommendations to stay away until SP1 comes out. MS isn't the only game in town, if you're bored try something else or stay with what works.
Vista does need some help!
by kzntell - 4/28/07 8:44 PM In reply to: Vista-XP by edbradyLike edbrady, I am just a regular everyday user- who is NOT a computer Geek. I work on one everyday, and do not consider myself as computer/technology challenged. However Vista would challenge anyone with its irresularities and inconcisistancies.
I purchased myself a brand new Dell Inspirion 1501 for my birthday two weeks ago- I received it on 4/13-For a week my computer shut down or locked up every single time I tried to do anything.
Frustrated as Hell I called Dell support, and was advised that the only way I could get XP put on my new laptop was to either completly remove everything off my hard drive, install XP , and then reinstall all of my programs- OR...Let the tech help me.
I was so livid at the time, that I told the tech that Dell could take the damn thing back- because all I was doing was troubleshooting to see if I could figure out why I was shutting down every five minutes-
The tech (In India) was very knowledgable (THANK GOD)...the culprit for shutting down my new computer? McAfee...
Apparently something Dell knows will cause the system to freeze up or shut down- However they push to sell you (in my case) a 3 year anti-virus package...
The tech removed McAfee off my computer, downloaded a free virus software to it (AVG), and told me to call Dell to get my three year McAfee services credited. Once McAfee was gone, it started working like clockwork.
Now- I have not yet added a printer- nor have I tried any out of the way applications- so I might be happy for no reason- but I feel a sense of joy since I am now able to at least navigate using this screwy operating system.
What I think SUX, is that as a consumer, I can not pick what I want- I was basically told that- We sell Vista, and you have no choice- Take it or leave it- I even argued with the sales person that I DID NOT want Vista- but he said it did not matter this is all that Dell sells with its new computers- I unfortunalely learned (when XP came out) the horrors of new operating systems.
If I had had a choice, Vista WOULD NOT have been a consideration for me. I understand that Dell is now offering a choice to XP now- I am definately going to be calling them regarding this as this would be my operating system of choice...
Return it and get a mac
by alawaiblowfish - 4/30/07 3:27 PM In reply to: Vista does need some help! by kzntellSince joining the osx camp some 2 years ago (panther ), I've found that OS X never had any startup problems (programs, sure...but thats a given). Upgrading to tiger was quick and easy and it just worked after that. No real bugs, no stupid crapware preinstalled...it was nice. I also bought an intel mac mini last year and haven't had any troubles with either of the 2. I installed a vista beta on the mac mini....but quickly deleted it....yuck! But given the fact that you can run windows vista premium on a mac (both independantly and within mac osx), is pretty damn cool.
I admit I still use XP from time to time on my old laptop, but I find myself getting irritated by little nuiances such as looking for drivers and trying to attempt to make things work with your hardware configuration. Perhaps I have been coddled too much by mac's ease-of-use and willingness to do anything and everything beautifully with minimal hiccups.
I would wholeheartedly recommend apple computers to you. Its a great computer for the common person who isn't a tech genius. Apple builds and maintains their own hardware and software (instead of licencing it to hundreds of other companies). This allows them to come out with tried / tested, great computers that they know will work and software that is robust and immersive.
To all of you people trashing Vista
by c.b.mullen - 4/27/07 7:51 PM In reply to: Microsoft admits Vista failure by soldanoIf all you people trashing Vista would run the operating system on a computer with compatible hardware and software you would not have all these problems. For those of you who bought a new computer with Vista already installed and having problems, I would suggest you remove the incompatible software and hardware that was preinstalled by the computer vendor (this includes their own incompatible junk they have installed on your hard drive, often in a hidden partition). I have installed and run Vista Premium 32 bit, Ultimate 32 bit and Ultimate 64 bit on my computer, with no problems whatsoever. Vista is far superior and faster than XP and is much more secure. Am I a defender and apologist for Microsoft? Not hardly. I don't like Microsoft because I think they are corporate bullies and they are highly monopolistic in everything they do. However, their software is the best in the world. Give credit where credit is due. Why is Dell offering XP on their computers again? It has nothing to do with the Vista software. Dell is losing market share to HP. If you want to buy an HP computer feel free to do so. Don't be upset when when you can't find drivers and you can't get the support you deserve. You get what you pay for. I don't like Dell either but that is the only computer I will buy. Why? Because of their support (including immediate replacement of defective hardware), which is the finest in the world.
Plenty of the incompatible software is from Microsoft
by jovball - 4/28/07 8:52 AM In reply to: To all of you people trashing Vista by c.b.mullenI had Vista on a new ThinkPad T60p for two months. There were things I liked about Vista but it was not stable. I am a computer programmer and most of my time is spent in several Microsoft applications including Visual Studio 2005 and SQL Server 2005.
Those applications would crash (especially VS 2005) often enough that the Vista reliability monitor was at 5 out of 10. After two months, I gave up on Vista and re-installed XP Pro. Since then, my productivity is quite a bit higher than during those two months.
So your comment about incompatible software almost makes me crazy. If Microsoft's own top-of-the-line software won't work with their own operating system, how realistic is it to think that other vendors can get it right? For people that have actual work to get done that involves something more than MS Office, Vista leaves a lot to be desired.
I don't know that Vista is another ME but it certainly has some ground to make up before I will take another shot at using it.
Read the posts, the machines and hardware are Vista compatib
by intrepi - 4/28/07 4:41 PM In reply to: To all of you people trashing Vista by c.b.mullenThe machines coming from Dell, HP, Compaq and others have Vista preloaded so try and read these posts before you start in on MS bashing. These machines have the Vista hardware and drivers preloaded, do you get this as it has nothing to do with people's old machines or hardware. You don't have to go to a museum to see there are a lot of people having problems with their NEW machines, so climb down off your soap box, you've played a tune nobody wants to hear.
Vista isn't that bad!
by cdtphilpot - 4/27/07 8:39 PM In reply to: Microsoft admits Vista failure by soldanoFirst off way to selectively present information, great work. Secondly I just bought a brand new HP laptop with Vista and everything works fine. My all in one printer, my logitech universal remote, my gps software, my camera and camcorder software, everything. The only thing that didn't work was my old copy of Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds and I ran that using the XP compatibility software and it worked fine. I have a laptop with XP Media Center and Vista Home Premium and I'll use the one with Vista Home Premium any day of the week.
Vista is no ME!! Vista is awesome!!
by robbbzilla - 4/27/07 10:02 PM In reply to: Vista isn't that bad! by cdtphilpotI had Windows ME. I almost never bought another Microsoft product!! I had a state of the art HP desktop that cost over $2000!!It was the worst computer I ever owned. Unstable, crashed all the time, slow, Un-secure!! Terrible!!
Vista on a $700 laptop is very stable, fast, much more secure and has some really nice software integrated into the OS.
Have the people who have been complaining actually used Vista? I imported photos from my Cannon camera without the instalation disk. Then I made a movie with the photos in windows movie maker and burned my own dvd. It was awesome.
The UAC that some people are whining about is an awesome feature. The main weakness in Windows was the fact the user was logged in as the admin and any program could install itself. Now Windows is like apple and Linux and asks permission to have a program install!! Awesome!! Now malware can't just run or install on my PC. This is a major improvement and not an annoyance!
The GUI on Vista is really stunning. I like it better than the old aqua user interface on the mac.
Mac OS10 is great. I had an iBook before I got my new laptop. Security wise OSX is pretty tough. Apple uses the open source BSD/Unix code for the base of it OS with a proprietary mach microkernel. Mach is not so great but Unix is rock solid. If Windows would update their filesystem and keep up the trend they have started they may be able to finally compete with Linux and OSX in areas they have been superior for some time now.
Every new OS has issues, and every OS has its strenths and weaknesses. OSX is great if you like a one size fits all aroach. Linux is really very, very good and probably better than OSX and Vista in some ways but compatibility is a major achilees heal and until Linux has a bigger market share and is more compatible then it may be a serious contender. There are other ssues with Linux as well but I will not go into tat here. Vista is my choice of OS and I can use Linux, OSX or XP!!
People need to judge the OS on what is can do and how it runs on the proper hardware. Also complaining about compatibility really has nothing to d with the OS or Microsoft.
Robzilla
I have used Vista Ultimate for 2 mos and its great
by RDO CA - 4/27/07 11:44 PM In reply to: Vista is no ME!! Vista is awesome!! by robbbzillaThere are some venders of soft and hardware that have not finished drivers and software updates but it works very good. You need alot of ram 2-3 GB is best and a total win experence index over 3 and you will love it soon. I have set up 5 diff vista comp so far and they all are doing ok. A good vid card is very important also. Get rid of all the junk starting when you boot and alot of prob will go away. The run icon is gone unless you right click start and choose prop and turn it back on so you can go to the startup tab with ease to turn all of the junk off that you can start when it is wanted. No diff than xp.
try it you will like it unless you just get off bashing MS
Roy
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