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Windows Vista: Microsoft admits Vista failure

by soldano - 4/24/07 6:04 PM
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Post 46 of 68

If it's no different than XP why did you buy it ?

by intrepi - 4/28/07 4:55 PM In reply to: I have used Vista Ultimate for 2 mos and its great by RDO CA

Seriously, why did you buy Vista ? What does it do that XP will not ? Xp runs games faster than Vista although that may change in the future as does all PC software. If Vista changes with SP1 why buy it now ? If it turns out that it doesn't do everything MS told us it would, how would anyone justify buying it ?
The advice of many seems clear, if you don't need Vista, don't buy it and I still can't see why anyone would need it. Notice I said need not want as there is a very big difference. Fact is MS has said it would never again wait longer than 5 years to bring another OS to retailers. If this is true, why not wait for the next version of Windows and it's SP1 ?

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Post 47 of 68

vista

by dekdek8 - 4/29/07 9:43 AM In reply to: Microsoft admits Vista failure by soldano

1. if you have not yet bought a computer, get an intel MAC
bootcamp is free if you want to use it with XP, so when you MUST use windozy progams they will work [unlike with VISTA].
2. everyone who is effectviely beta testing VISTA for microsoft should ask for their vista license money back. indeed microsoft should be paying the brave souls who purchased/or had vista foisted upon them for doing their user testing for them.

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Post 48 of 68

Hey, I think Vista is great!

by cgarrity - 4/29/07 11:34 PM In reply to: vista by dekdek8

After reading all the garbage from the MS haters, I wasn't in a hurry to get Vista either. However, I recently went to a charity auction and got a great price on Vista Ultimate. I ran the Vista Advisor to see how my system would do with Vista and the only negative I got was re my Epson scanner (Epson says they are not going to do a driver for my model.)

Since I wanted to do a clean install, I disconnected my XP Pro C drive and installed Vista on a clean drive. I then reconnected my XP Pro drive and went into BIOS to change the boot drive order so that Vista would load on boot-up. If I want to go back to XP for any reason, all I have to do is reorder the boot drive order in BIOS.

The only trouble I've had so far is that Vista did not recognize my 56K modem and was unable to supply a driver for it. This didn't really effect me since I access the Internet with a cable modem. Still, I don't like looking at error messages. So, I slipped down to Fry's Electronics and bought a new $20 56K modem that Vista can use if ever necessary. End of error messages.

While my Vista operation is fairly new, I have to say the computer seems to run faster than it ever did with XP Pro. To my eye, websites on the Internet load much faster and regular programs such as Excel, Word and Quicken seem to load much faster also. Then, there's the EYE CANDY! As of this point, I think Vista is the best operating system MS has come out with to date.

As a few other people have pointed out in this thread, perhaps the people experiencing problems are trying to use Vista on a computer that doesn't come up to snuff. Put me on the pro Vista side!

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Post 49 of 68

Did you read what you wrote?

by robains - 4/30/07 2:08 PM In reply to: Hey, I think Vista is great! by cgarrity

Let me see,

1. You got Vista free
2. You still had to do some drive swapping work

And you like Vista...hmmmm...think about the picture you're painting.

1. Most people don't get their OS for free
2. Most people aren't gonna do that drive swapping work

Rob.

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Post 50 of 68

Hey Rob, it wasn't free...

by cgarrity - 4/30/07 4:37 PM In reply to: Did you read what you wrote? by robains

Let me see,

Re Rob reply of...
1. You got Vista free
2. You still had to do some drive swapping work

And you like Vista...hmmmm...think about the picture you're painting.

1. Most people don't get their OS for free
2. Most people aren't gonna do that drive swapping work

Rob.

If you read my comment, you would realize I did NOT get Vista free. I did get a good deal on it (about half price) and I helped a charity benefit. If the bidding hadn't stopped, I was going to go to full price. Instead, I donated elsewhere.

Re my disk swapping, I wanted a clean installation rather than a crapola write over. That certainly isn't a big deal for all the techies here. I think the majority of readers here would elect to go the same route.

I did point out a hardware problem (Vista didn't like my old modem.)

Yes, once again, I think it's the best OS that Microsoft has come out with to date. I put off the installation for about a month because of all the MS haters and scare stories here. I wanted a clean installation anyway, but another reason for it was the ease of going back to XP if it didn't work out. With the price of hard drives so low these days, it makes sense to go with two if you can afford it.

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Post 51 of 68

Expert advice... Hold off or be ready to troubleshoot.

by flyerbry - 4/30/07 2:45 PM In reply to: Hey, I think Vista is great! by cgarrity

I guess you can say I am one of the Geeks referred to earlier in this thread. I troubleshoot PCs on a daily basis as part of my job as a programmer. I haven't started running Vista personally yet because experience has taught me that running anything new from Microsoft is generally best done on a rather loaded, dedicated PC and typically involves some time troubleshooting. Not wanting to go out and build something new solely for this purpose I have decided to hold off and also wait for the multitude of bugs to get ironed out.
With that said, let me share with you the experience I had while helping a relative set up a wireless Internet connection after she bought a new HP laptop running Vista.
I had an old wireless router that I gave her so she would be able to get on the web and also access her email. Besides her new laptop she also had two older XP machines in her household to set up. I first set up the first XP machine which was a laptop with a built-in wireless card. This went very easily and the PC was connecting in no time flat. I then went on to the second XP machine that was a desktop which I had to add a network card. It went fairly straightforward and this PC was connected rather quickly as well. The last PC left to connect was the Vista machine.
Now logic would tell you that Vista, being Microsoft's latest and greatest, would be the easiest of the three PCs to get connected. Not so! Granted there is the new interface which I was unfamiliar with so that did add a little time for me to find what I was looking for but that wasn't the problem. I found the right screens OK but when I wanted to view the available wireless networks nothing came up at first. After refreshing the list I was finally seeing the router that I was expecting to see. I then tried to enter the proper security settings that I had set up on the router so the machine would connect. Right off the bat it didn't connect. It took another 20 minutes of looking through the various settins (which were already correct) before the wireless connection all of a sudden started working. I literally spent less time connecting the desktop PC that I had to open the case and add a network card to than it took me to get the Vista machine to connect. I guess you can say I wasn't real impressed! The thing I kept asking myself is why Microsoft even messed with the wireless networking functionality that works so well under XP when creating Vista? Besides the interface they seem to have started from scratch with respect to the wireless connectivity. Can you say "reinvent the wheel!" The good news is at least the connection has worked fine since the initial setup issue was ironed out.
This other thing I noticed on the brand new HP Vista laptop is the thing was incredibly slow for a brand new PC. I didn't dare say anything to my relative about the speed as she had just dropped $700.00 to $800.00 on this new machine which I knew is more than adequate to fulfill her needs. Now I keep reading these comments about blaming the manufacturers and not Microsoft... Give me a break! I wasn't even trying to add a piece of external hardware in this case and it was pretty obvious that the trouble wasn't hardware related. The hardware works fine. The software simply should have either been better designed or more thoroughly tested. There is no way an XP machine should be easier to connect to a wireless network than a Vista machine. If anything they should at least be equal!
In terms of hardware, the thing that comes to mind for me is when Windows 95 was released. No OS prior to 95 had as much effort put toward compatability and driver support. You would think Microsoft would have put the same effort forth with Vista. Going from Windows 3.1 to 95 the drivers were completely different because the OS had changed so much. Yes, 95 had its own issues but considering where Windows was at the time the driver support was entirely sufficient for everything I ran into with the exception of the old 8-bit add-in cards that already were dinosaurs at that point. The current driver support under XP is proven and reliable. Again, why fix what isn't broken. At the very least, Microsoft should have included backwards compatability with XP drivers in Vista - that way if a better Vista driver is not yet available the existing hardware people already own will still function. You would think after a five-year wait since their last OS release they would have figured some of this out!
My personal feeling is it is better to hold off until the bugs get worked out or go with one of the Intel based Macs and run XP if you are advanced enough for it. The really bad thing is from my experience and what I have been reading is Microsoft has left the novice user out in the cold. Not supporting something as simple as a printer nowadays is simply asking for bad press!

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Your story is pretty standard...

by robains - 4/30/07 3:05 PM In reply to: Expert advice... Hold off or be ready to troubleshoot. by flyerbry

You and many others run into the same issues. I tried to load Vista Ultimate on a new laptop that even had the Vista Ready logo and it loaded, but I was never able to find a working wireless network driver for it and eventually gave up and went back to WinXP.

Maybe Vista will come of age but like you said, 5 years+ in the making and what they've released is definitely NOT worth the money, the headache, nor the increased hardware requirements.

Whatever happened to software being faster over time, rather than slower -- did Microsoft forget this key element of optimization. The argument "but Vista does more" is just NOT valid, what does it do more that has such an increase in steep hardware requirements?? The GUI?? Come on, MacPro OSX has had a much nice GUI for a long time without huge graphics/hardware requirements -- so why can't Microsoft do the same?

The answer is, because they don't have to -- they got the market share and everyone will just have to live with it and deal with it. See where the lack of competition leads the consumer...to limited options. Fortunately most consumers have said NO to Vista and this is the only hope of instigating change at Microsoft.

Now, back to my MacPro where life is simple, clean, and free of code bloat -- it just works.

Rob

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Post 53 of 68

Vista is good

by tosue6467 - 5/5/07 6:01 AM In reply to: Microsoft admits Vista failure by soldano

vista is good and challenging. very good interface. does not crashthose who do not like should go to windows 95. vista is only for intelligent people.GROBR. come on guys accept what is good. dont prejudiced
ahamed

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Post 54 of 68

Vista is good???

by Karridog - 5/5/07 11:46 AM In reply to: Vista is good by tosue6467

Can you tell me why Dell is uninstalling Windows Vista from their computers? They've decided to go back to Windows XP and introduce Linux.

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Post 55 of 68

Vista Is Good?

by tlsmith1138 - 5/5/07 12:02 PM In reply to: Vista is good??? by Karridog

If Dell starts selling computers with linux type os's on them, I will finally own a Dell.

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Post 56 of 68

Dell & Linux

by soldano - 5/5/07 8:29 PM In reply to: Vista Is Good? by tlsmith1138

Get ready to buy a new dell cause they are making Dell units with full versions of Ubuntu available to the public very soon if not right now. I think soon is more likely as the anouncement by dell was made early this week.

Link to confirm this:
http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/05/01/13147.aspx

Cheers

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They are not going backwards

by beerman55448 - 5/5/07 6:41 PM In reply to: Vista is good??? by Karridog

They are just selling XP for a little while longer for people who are too scared of new things.Dell will eventually will give up on XP altogether.Vista is new so there are bound to be a few bugs leftover.They are still fixing bugs monthly in XP.When XP was released people in these forums were complaining about the new interface and how they couldn't find anything and how the system requirements were too high and how slow it was when they upgraded from 98 or ME.I have a new Gateway notebook with Vista Home Premium and it is just as fast as my XP media center PC.

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Not going backward?

by tlsmith1138 - 5/5/07 9:21 PM In reply to: They are not going backwards by beerman55448

Dell will stop putting out computers with XP on them by the end of the year, because microsoft won't allow the big companies to use XP on new computers after that. By then, hopefully, Dell will be putting Ubuntu on most of their computers by then and MS can begin kissing their own posteriors goodbye.

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Can I get my money back?

by YankeesNYwins - 5/5/07 10:39 AM In reply to: Microsoft admits Vista failure by soldano

I bought two copies of Vista premium and don't use either one.

What a waste of $312.

Oh, well, you win some and lose some.

There is a program in Vista that strangles it. Hog ties it. Paralyzes it. Cripples it. Slows it to a snails pace. Ruins it.

It is the DRM program.

I run a E-6600 processor on Windows XP and transfer data from an external hard drive to my PC or vice versa and it takes 5 minutes to do 50 GB's.

Doing the same thing with Vista on the same PC and four hours later it still wasn't finished.

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Windows Vista

by marpieck - 5/5/07 4:21 PM In reply to: Microsoft admits Vista failure by soldano

As far as I am concerned I applaud the introduction of Windows Vista. I find it a huge improvement on XP Pro; it functions well on my computer. I appreciate the additional safety features built into the new operating system. In addition I use Windows Live OneCare, and nothing else; no need to add any other protective anti-spyware.

Marinus

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