Community Newsletter: Q&A: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how?
- 5/3/07 3:36 PM
Return it....YES Better yet....Hold your money
by sonoffar - 4/28/07 11:09 AM In reply to: Return it - just like any other defective item. by markhammonsAfter following this thread I can only offer a giant THANK YOU! to all you posters.
I was in the final process of purchasing a new lap top with all the MS bells and whistles set up just like I wanted them. The only problem was VISTA was the only operating system I could get pre-installed by the manufacturer. I sort of wanted to continue using XP Pro for a while, and let the VISTA dust settle.
No problem I thought. Big Ol hardrive, lots of memory, Just put in my XP Pro and go. Now it appears like a lot of trouble that should not be there if MS was treating me, and you, like customers of value.
I have made a couple of observations from all this.
1. MS users and customers seem to go to great lengths to maintain an honest and legal association with MS. Good on us! Despite the fact that MS will sell you one of there products, for an exorbitant price, knowing that the product is defective, perhaps incomplete, maybe both, and then demand that you preform the circle dance and jump through these 3 hoops in order to use what you just purchased and is now yours.
Shouldn't a software mfg. be held to some standard of honesty and quality? You know just like all the other guys in the world who want to sell stuff.
2. VISTA seems to be another example of the above.
3. Maybe another operating system is the way to go.
If Bill has taken his billions and boogied, maybe Apple or ??, should get some of the $$$$ I am so determined to spend.
I have determined that my days of kowtow and whimpering have ended as far as spending my hard earned $$. If the seller cannot, or WILL not, meet my requirements, and expectations, then across the street to the next guy, my money and I will go. Care to join us?
give me ,my money back
by lew ,man - 4/28/07 3:18 PM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
p bought vista home priuim at
$179 it so bad i had go back to win xp i lost my money on what i paid for win vista they should refund u money u cant use vista i se a lot people are like me it a bad win as i sfevr had as i had all of win this is only one i cant use gates give me my money bacm
You should get your money back
by hotmail123 - 4/29/07 7:56 AM In reply to: give me ,my money back by lew ,manI agree with you, you should get your money back. For me, I have so much trouble with Vista OS that I returned the new Vista PC.....& I get full refund.
informative but too wordy.
by rutalkin2me - 4/28/07 3:46 PM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
The information given was great but for me, just answer the question, too much chit chat.
I understand your frustration
by shestalker - 4/28/07 4:35 PM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I to have purchased a new pc with vista on it. I have gone through the same problems, but I kept searching and finally found most of what I need to be able to use my programs. If you go to this web address you might also find what you need to help you;
http://global.acer.com/support/winvista/t-faq.htm
My only gripe is that in order for my dvd rom to work properly I have to pay. In my oppinion we shouldn't have to pay for someone elses screw-ups. Microsoft windows vista upgrade support has answered all my question and solved most of my problems. I hope this helps you and any other people in our shoes. Goodluck.
You have Vista?
by maddathandat - 4/29/07 4:18 AM In reply to: I understand your frustration by shestalkerPot...kettle...black. MS berated Linux for exactly the same thing. Is Vista really Linux under the hood? What happened to work out of the box 
For next time...
by emcon - 4/28/07 5:02 PM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Dump that 1995 technology and buy a mac.
buy a mac, buy this or that
by shestalker - 4/29/07 12:25 AM In reply to: For next time... by emconNot all problems are solved by purchasing other things. What is needed is a bit of "process of elemination". Find out what the problem is and fix it. Not everyone can afford to chuck one pc out and then go buy another. I know I can't. Can you?
I had a problem with my new pc with windows vista and I had to do the process of elemination and now I love the vista program. Try it, fix the problems and you will like it too.
Unix & therefore OSX are 1970's technology
by tbcass - 4/29/07 4:11 AM In reply to: For next time... by emconemcon, are you aware thet the Mac runs on top of a Unix kernel? Unix was developed in the late 60's and early 70's
Dual Boot
by tbcass - 4/29/07 4:05 AM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Since Vista is the wave of the future your best bet is to install a copy of XP on your Vista machine and Dual Boot. That way you have your choice. The best way to dual boot is on a second hard drive.
No warranty with XP
by supermanx1a - 4/29/07 5:59 PM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Hi there,
I am the manager of the service department for a store in the largest North American computer chain. I read the answers and suggestions from other readers and, unfortunately, no one mentioned an important factor. The warranty on yout new PC.
First of all, if your new PC is the same brand as your old one, you have good chances of being able to use the recovery disk[s] of the first pc to install Win XP on your new PC. The catch is that you may have some component[s] for which you will have to hunt for a driver. That may prove to be tricky since some brand name mfrs have unique peripherals.
Secondly, and most important, if you have a hardware problem and want to make a claim on your warranty, this is what will happen. The service center will install Vista [since the PC came with it] and will then verify it. If the part which you claim to be defective works fine with Vista, your claim will be rejected! The warranty only covers the PC with Vista. Period. If you want to use any other OS, that's your choice. Therefore, you cannot for example go back to the seller and say "My new PC has a problem with Windows 2000". A lot of customers find that out the hard way and, believe me, it is a hard way.
My suggestion is to try to update the programs you would like to use with Vista. Since Vista is relatively new, within a very short time you should find solutions for all ailments of Vista. Remember the same happened when XP first came out. Good luck!
Re: No warranty with XP
by drjoebdavis - 4/29/07 7:41 PM In reply to: No warranty with XP by supermanx1asupermanx1a wrote:
>unfortunately, no one mentioned an important factor. The warranty on yout new PC.
>if you have a hardware problem and want to make a claim on your warranty, this is what will happen.
>If the part which you claim to be defective works fine with Vista, your claim will be rejected! The warranty only covers the PC with Vista. Period.
Maybe this is something to keep in mind in trying to go back to XP, but not surprising and quite reasonable. Conversely, one shouldn't expect to buy a PC with an XP operating system and then think the manufacturer would warrant everything to also work with Vista. But isn't that where this long story first started? Franklin S. bought a PC with a new operating system and had problems with peripherals and software, designed to be current with the most current operating system at the time, which wouldn't work with the new system.
I still hold that Franklin S. should be patient with peripheral and software makers as most will likely eventually upgrade drivers and programs for Vista compatibility. For example, I have an HP Deskjet 3845 and a PSC 1210. According to HP, Vista already includes drivers for each and my D-Link DI-524 wireless router works flawlessly. My Belken, Ativa (Office Depot) and Newmen (from China) mice all work nicely with Vista and even Skype 3.1.0.152 (newest release) functions correctly with both Vista and XP.
XP Back
by srabonermeghchanchal - 4/29/07 8:39 PM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Franklin,
Unfortunately you cannot use the system recovery discs from your old computer due to the licensing terms, which stipulate that the copy of Windows XP is forever locked to that specific computer. Even if the old computer is no longer used you are not permitted to install it on another computer, and in most cases technological countermeasures would prevent you from doing so.
If you would like to return to Windows XP, you will have to purchase a new copy. Here you have two options:
1.) Purchase a full retail copy of Windows XP, which runs $189.99 from the trusted online retailer Newegg. Certainly not the cheapest route, but it’s a viable solution to your Vista woes and the most accommodative in the long run.
2.) Purchase an OEM copy of Windows XP for around $89.99. OEM copies are far more economical, but they do come with two drawbacks. First, once they are installed you are never permitted to install it on another computer, a parallel of the current situation. Second, you are provided with no technical support from Microsoft.
The lack of support in particular should be kept in mind, for if you replace Windows Vista with another operating system your computer manufacturer may refuse to provide assistance should something go wrong. The reasoning is that the computer was designed to run Windows Vista and all other operating systems are not officially supported. That also means that you may be left in the lurch searching for XP-compatible drivers for the new computer’s hardware, since neither Microsoft nor your computer manufacturer will supply them.
Thus, either way you decide to go you are facing potential compatibility issues. While XP will most likely present less of a problem, it is an added cost and will result in limited support until you opt to return to Vista. The good news is that we are always here to help, so no matter which option you choose, if there is a particular program or device you are having problems with, we can point you in the right direction.
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Now, if you do decide to install Windows XP instead of sticking with Vista, there are four main things to remember:
1.) Backup any personal files and settings you may have to a flash drive, CD/DVD, etc, for they will all be lost during the installation process since Microsoft does not support ‘downgrading.’
2.) If the manufacturer did not provide them, be sure to burn a set of recovery CDs/DVDs, which contain Windows Vista and any other applications that were preinstalled. Without these you will be unable to install Vista down the road without ordering a set of discs from the manufacturer, yet another added expense. You should find the option to burn the recovery discs in the Start menu.
3.) You can find a step-by-step guide to installing Windows XP from scratch, complete with screenshots, by clicking here. That will walk you through the process, making it much less of an ordeal.
4.) Some people have reported problems installing XP on computers with Vista preinstalled. If you run into this problem, click here to download DBAN, a free program that will erase everything on your hard drive and give you the opportunity for a fresh start.
If you have any further questions feel free to ask in the Windows Vista forum or Windows XP forum, whichever is more applicable at the time.
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Mob:+880156316541
Hasta la Vista
by adamico - 4/30/07 12:45 PM In reply to: XP Back by srabonermeghchanchalThere isn’t really much you can do but buying a new Windows XP licence or a MAC from Apple (less ruthless then Microsoft but still a vendor) or joining the open source community.
There is a lot of good free software out there. Trouble for trouble it is worth a try. Ironically you are paying for the trouble Vista is causing you. Open source software and troubles come for free. You could for example install Ubuntu. “Ubuntu is a community developed, linux-based operating system that contains all the applications you need”. (At least that is what they say in their site).
I work for a company with 8,000 employs. Any employ uses at least a desktop and a laptop computer. That is a lot of money in licenses that eventually Microsoft is going to loose.
Server side speaking we have already replaced all the proprietary software with open source solutions. Soon we are going to adopt open source solutions also for the desktop machines. Open office for example is now mature, stable and is a good “free” Office replacement. Furthermore I’m hearing that more and more companies are doing the same.
Is it the end of an era for Microsoft?
Happy retirement Bill Gates and "Hasta la Vista" (which means “see you later”) in this case I hope never.
Complications with reverting.
by batman823 - 4/30/07 10:52 AM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Sorry for your misfortune. Since Vista is a completely different system, you will have to do a couple of things to revert. Three relatively easy options are these.
1) If you have the XP discs (not just the recovery) you may simply go through the install process and it will get rid of most, but not all, of the vista crap. If you have a complete set of the original or backup discs, this will work. This will allow you to use all your old apps. You may have to re-install some of them.
2)Back up all of your imortant files and other data. Then format your hard-drive. Next, install the version of XP you have available to you. Once again, a backup or recovery disc may not work. You may have to fork out some cash to do this.
3)Partition your hard drive, it's plenty big enough to handle this without installing a second one. After you have split your hard drive with the partition. Install XP on the second drive. Then you can set up your PC to run dual operating systems. You can do this by accessing the bios by following the directions in the startup ques. (only from a cold start) When you do this you can choose wich operating system to use upon startup. when you're ready to switch to Vista, if ever, it will already be on your computer and dormant as long as you never startup using Vista.
I know the three options may involve buying a new copy of XP but you will never be able to completely get rid of the virus known as Vista unless you do these or if you are an expert at managing your computer, including some basic programming knowledge. There are a lot of bugs and related complaints with Vista, but eventually it will be the standard and more user-friendly. Since it is unix based, you have to get rid of vista for XP to work unless you run a dual op, just like one would with lynix and XP.
Hope this helps.
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