Games & gear: No 65 nm cpu for xbox360 elite?
after researching this past w/e...
by jaymzbo - 4/2/07 4:33 AM In reply to: So does anyone know when exactly by bkchurchit seems like there is a heated (no pun intended 
) debate on what is causing the problem (overheating from chipset, DVD drive, external power supply brick, etc) and whether or not the 65nm chip will be of benefit. And apparently, this red ring of death is more prevalent than I thought...just "google" red ring of death on xbox360 and you'll see what I'm talking about. Or peruse the many xbox360 forums (that's where I found most of the discussions on the new chipset and what might be causing the problems). Some of the links you will find are as recent as 3/07. As far as when this 65 nm chipset may come out, I have found nothing other than specualtion and rumor but no real substantial data. Wow, I hope I don't have this to look forward to with my PS3!! So far, so good.
I wouldn't count on it with the PS3
by bkchurch - 4/2/07 5:34 AM In reply to: after researching this past w/e... by jaymzboBy this time in the 360's life span I had heard numerous reports of the red ring of death. The only PS3's I've heard of overheating are the ones in store displays crammed in those well-insulated and poor-ventilated plastic cases. I'll probably be labeled a fanboy for saying that and get flamed to hell and back but before anyone trolls me you may want to note that I have owned or at least played and enjoyed every console since the NES and that includes the X-Box (I'm a bit of a Halo nut in fact).
Chalk up another one...
by CaptainBruno - 4/27/07 10:54 AM In reply to: after researching this past w/e... by jaymzboI was among the people who thought that I was out of the woods as far as a defective 360 goes, but no such luck. After 13 months with relatively no problems, my machine started freezing up last night while playing Guitar Hero 2 and then died. Sadly, I'm just past the 1 year warranty, so I'm probably about to get screwed over. The icing on the cake was that I just managed to track down what seems like the only copy of Guitar Hero 2 and controller in my city, and dropped a bunch of coin to rent it for the next 3 weeks, only to have it die an hour later (doh!).
I'm worried I may regret my purchase, depending on how microsoft deals with me.
I've heard about alot of these cases recently
by bkchurch - 4/27/07 7:09 PM In reply to: Chalk up another one... by CaptainBrunoIt's just like how the original PS2's started getting all those DRE's right after the one year warranty expired, only as least you could open the PS2 up and do a quick simple fix to remedy this, 360 owners are just getting shafted. I'm definately waiting for the 65nm CPU's before I buy my 360 now, unless they don't come out in time for Halo 3.
dang, that's awful
by jaymzbo - 4/27/07 8:07 PM In reply to: Chalk up another one... by CaptainBrunosorry to hear about that. It's amazing how many of these things are breaking down after the warranty expires. I thought this would be a thing of the past by now. Good luck in dealing with microsoft...James
Chalk up another one...cont
by CaptainBruno - 4/30/07 9:51 AM In reply to: dang, that's awful by jaymzboI've talked with MS support, and they are sending me out a coffin (postage paid box) for my 360. They charge $140 US for repairs. That's almost half the cost of a new unit, and it will probably mean a month of downtime.
I'm not a very happy customer, but as I said to the guy on the support line...what choice do I have? They've got me over a barrel, and I feel they are taking full advantage of it. All I can do is vote with my wallet on the next generation of consoles.
Microsoft just doesn't make reliable consoles. To further prove this point, my buddy bought one on the weekend in order to take advantage of my now available copy of Guitar Hero 2. Fresh out of the box, he powers it on and gets the red ring of death with an error message on the screen! I couldn't believe my eyes. We turned it off and on, and it started up this time. So we start playing and I notice that something looks really wrong with the game. There's no red or green color! He fiddles with his tv settings, checks all the connections into his tv, tries a different input...no help. We finally figured out that if you fiddled with the A/V output connector on the back of the 360, the color flashed on and off. So he propped it up and taped it and we had full color for the evening. (He's familiar with this issue as he's had to re-solder his power connection three times on his old X-Box. Apparently these connectors are extremely flimsy.) I've advised him to take it back and get a new one ASAP.
One other thing that annoyed me was that once we got his new 360 running, it ran the game a lot smoother than mine had. None of the slight glitches and pauses that I'd witnessed playing this game and thought were just due to a damaged disc. I've taken good care of my 360, and would not have expected it to be noticeably worse than a brand new one after just one year.
hopefully the elite will fare better
by jaymzbo - 4/30/07 11:59 AM In reply to: Chalk up another one...cont by CaptainBrunobut this did not seem too promising:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/26/xbox-360-elite-vs-classic-the-test/
For me, I'm going to wait it out, again. Sorry to hear about your experiences with MS.
James
Sorry to hear about your 360
by Tarlok - 4/30/07 1:18 PM In reply to: Chalk up another one...cont by CaptainBrunoMy 360 died in early February after only 3 months of use (bought it in late November), and no, my 360 wasn't part of the first generation shipment. Either way, I was pretty shocked when my 360 died because I've owned systems as far back as the commodore 64 and the Atari 2600 and I've never had any break down because I literally baby all my consoles. To date, I still have a flawlessly working NES, Genesis, 64, PS2, Xbox, etc, and it just amazes how quickly my 360 died. The good news is my dealing with MS customer service in getting my 360 repaired and shipped back was exceptional and prompt, but as others have already expressed, I think I'll pass on the elite for now considering my past experience with the 360, not to mention how MS is obviously being greedy by not offering incentives to people who already own a 360 (especially for people who have had to deal with a broken one).
Good luck on your repair, and I can only hope it was as quick and as uneventful as my experience.
hmm
by bevillan - 5/2/07 8:00 AM In reply to: So does anyone know when exactly by bkchurchWell I guess my best advice is to keep gaming as long as you can on your current 360 before you get the red ring of death and make sure you have the 1 or 2 year extended service plan so that eventually they will send you back a 65nm version once they roll them out.
Run Cooler?
by terryda - 4/28/07 8:01 PM In reply to: No 65 nm cpu for xbox360 elite? by jaymzboIm just going out on a limb here, but as a soon to graduate EE specifically in microelectronic fabrication, I've know chips to run hotter with the greater resolution. I would think that the reason for switching to a 65nm process would be that there is manufacturing availability with new 45nm chip manufacturing being built and a smaller die means more die per wafer which means less expensive chips which in turn means more profit or possibly price drops for consumers. This is strictly based on if they simply change resolutions and not completely redesign the chips with different substrate piping and such.
just be careful if using nyko intercooler
by jaymzbo - 4/29/07 2:57 PM In reply to: Run Cooler? by terrydaIt may have been resolved by this time, but not too long ago a lot of xbox360 users were finding their consoles destroyed by this intercooler. Just google xbox360 +nyko intercooler if interested. Sounds like Nykko did the right thing and helped with replacement costs of consoles their product destroyed. But I'd be very cautious.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=intercooler+xbox360+problem
James
Now this sounds a little better
by jaymzbo - 5/1/07 4:31 PM In reply to: just be careful if using nyko intercooler by jaymzbohttp://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9714474-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt
I guess I'll re-visit idea around that time.
so when the 65nm chipsets are included
by jaymzbo - 5/2/07 8:30 AM In reply to: Now this sounds a little better by jaymzboin the 360s sometime this fall, how will we be able to know what we're buying does in fact have the 65nm chipset? Will it say on the specs on the box? I have a sneaky suspicion that MS will sell the newer ones alongside the older until the ones w/o 65nm chipsets are gone.
James
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