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XP Pro - redeem yourself from Vista.
by Parikshit Goutam - 4/27/07 8:34 PM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
The only new OS that I bought before it was tested, was a pre-purchase of Windows 95 when it was released.
From that point forward I move forward very cautiously. I am a self-taught software technician and I would rather eat porcupine needles than to have one of my customers - who trust me - have problems because of a mis-judgment on my part.
If you have a system with Vista. If you like it - stay with it. If you are into your pc experience then I "highly" recommend that you regress back to XP.
It is well worth the price of the XP Pro license (or several of them, for that matter), to avoid the headaches of a system that was known NOT to be perfected or ready when it was released.
The rush for deadlines & much too much preparation for deployment blinds dollar hungry companies to push promotion, publicity, contracts, sometimes even public anticipation ... they forget who they are building it for.
Once they forget YOU - they may as well go out of business.
I admire Apple and it's humble, garage beginnings. I also hold Bill Gates and his endeavors in very high esteem.
DON'T FORGET WHO YOU DEVELOP THESE SYSTEMS FOR.
They are not for Compaq or HP or Apple or IBM, etc.
THEY ARE FOR US. GET IT RIGHT OR MOVE OVER AND LET SOMEONE ELSE DO IT FOR US.
VISTA OF OF MY PC
by TOBYMEX1 - 4/27/07 9:02 PM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I have not tried Vista,but my brother works as an IT and as told me that you almost to a backbone or raid system to run most both op ie TWO hard drives until Microsoft's Vista becomes better supported. I used to partion my hard drives for muliple OP. The secound hard drive option will be your best most secure means of making the transition I think.
Vista - no more
by drahuschak - 4/27/07 9:26 PM In reply to: VISTA OF OF MY PC by TOBYMEX1Vista has convinced me that my next PC will be an Apple or something running ANYTHING BUT a Microsoft OS.
After having literally thousands of dollars in software and not being able to buy an XP installed PC, I was forced to buy a Vista PC in which a third of the software either does not work at all or is only partially functional. I am sick of Microsoft's total lack of care about users.
You Don't have to purchase a Vista Computer
by waytron - 4/28/07 3:30 AM In reply to: Vista - no more by drahuschakI keep hearing that people are forced to buy Vista. This is not true. Go to any website or any company and purchase their business computers. For example: If you go www.Dell.com and select sales for small business, almost every computer they sell comes with a choice of either Vista or Windows XP.
Dana
Vista Of My Hard Drive
by Arthur1591 - 4/27/07 11:13 PM In reply to: VISTA OF OF MY PC by TOBYMEX1Hello, have you try runing windows xp when you boot your pc, and when you get to the c partition were you see vista clek delete on the c partitionor or just try runing it, it sould delet vista and install a new copy of of windows xp if you have Dell pc and havea copy media direct boot Media direct will delete every thing. that means turn on you pc open the cd tray put the cd in turn it off the pc now close the the tray turn on the the pc when you see windows xp hit eney button on your pc and it will stard.
some things never change
by blaidd - 4/28/07 12:01 AM In reply to: Vista Of My Hard Drive by Arthur1591hmm so all these people saying how great vista is yet you have to do registry hacks and all sorts of b$ just to get it performing how you want so yet again m$ has developed a broken o/s and needs the end users to test it and fix it so it works if you ask me going back to xp is upgrading not downgrading sure vista might be prettier but hardly better imo
registry hacks? broken os?
by denni0302 - 4/28/07 12:09 AM In reply to: some things never change by blaiddthe methods i used to isntall them is compatibiity mode, none of this registry hacks and such
broken os? i dont think so
maybe this isnt for the light hearted..or the people who give up..or for the foolish mac lovers...but for a good computer experience
Multiple OS's
by Parikshit Goutam - 4/28/07 2:57 AM In reply to: Vista Of My Hard Drive by Arthur1591I ran Win 98, W2000 and XP Pro even on an older HP P3 450 about 4 years ago and without creating any partitions.
I now have a P3 Compaq 1 ghz as a corner computer for visiting kids and guests to use and it has 98, 2K and XP Pro on it.
This time I did partition the drive. I gave about 25% to the section I installed 98 on and the balance of the 100 gb has Windows 2000 and XP Pro both on it.
Contrary to warnings - I prefer what I've tried and know to be true. You can place 98, 2K and XP all on the same drive with no partitions if you choose to do so.
Suggest you set XP as default boot and allow yourself 5 seconds to choose before it boots into XP.
The Compaq - (old) that I mentioned is divided into C & E ... it's just the way it worked out and I was too lazy to reinstall 2K and XP just to get them on D drive. D is now a 250 gig used for any and all backups.
As for Vista --- I honestly would not put it on one of my computers. I have a barebones AMD 2.4ghz with nVidia 6200 - 2 hdd's one is 100gb, the other is 200gb. My other on the KVM switch is an EVO P4, 3.0 ... sorry ... to the point. Only way I would use Vista is if Microsoft gave me a computer and the operating system and then I would work with it when I had time.
MICROSOFT needs to find time to work on it themselves.
Maybe Bill needs to come back to work.
Does it mean anything to anybody that he bailed out before the release of VISTA? Could be a good reason.
Bill, send me a Vista PC and I'll try to tell you everything that is wrong with it instead of you just getting small tidbits at a time.
drpc@charter.net
Move Upward
by lgldsr - 4/28/07 12:34 AM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Franklin,
With all the sincerity I can muster, the best advice I can give you based on >24 years in IT, is to move away not only from Vista and XP, but from Microsoft as a whole.
I deal daily with endless Security Updates, Viruses, Patches, reboots (which seem to cure allot of odd issues), so forth and so on. It's a vicious and never ending cycle with any and all Microsoft Operating Systems, and it's nothing but a big pain in the neck.
To that end and assuming you can do so, give serious consideration to moving to the Apple MacPro with it's OS-X Operating System. Based on Unix, it is virtually bullet proof. And to anyone that would even remotely consider arguing that fact I would ask you to first ask yourself why most Hosting Concerns, Financial Institutions, Hospitals, etc., are using Unix or a flavor thereof (Linux, et al) as their Platform.
It's solid. I work in an extremely large (>4,000 Servers Worldwide) in a mixed Windows and Linux environment, weighted about 60/40. I cannot recall - and I am stone serious about this - the last time we had to reboot one of those Linux boxes or had some other issue arise that required us to tweak or otherwise patch the O/S because of inherently poor design. With everything from XP to Server 2003 Datacenter Edition it's a way of life. Or lack thereof.
NT 4.0 had six - count 'em, six! - Service Packs...seven if you include 6a. Server 2000 and 2003 have already been revamped over and over again. But MS doesn't really call them 'Service Packs' anymore; they're now known more loosely as 'Revisions': 'R1', 'R2', etc.
Go to an Apple Store (or CompUSA, BestBuy) and check out the MacPro's.
Unequivocally stated, you won't regret it.
VISTA
by veldhoven - 4/28/07 1:32 AM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
1. every day a lot of times : program does not react
2. it is SO SLOW, not to bring under words
If it is just an application, not a driver and hardware
by TonyGore - 4/28/07 3:14 AM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Consider downloading Virtual PC 2007 free from Microsoft - either search downloads or try the link
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=04d26402-3199-48a3-afa2-2dc0b40a73b6&DisplayLang=en
Install this on your PC and then you can create a virtual PC and install an operating system onto the Virtual PC.
Then any programs that will not run under Vista, but did under XP, you can run on the Virtual PC. You can set up a share as a data area for moving files backwards and forwards between the two operating systems.
The advantage is that you just start the Virtual PC and it runs just as another program would do. This can be easier than dual booting.
The disadvantage is that there is limited hardware support under Virtual PC, and it is slower. You can limit how much CPU power it is allowed of your host PC.
But when it isn't running, it has no effect on your machine, other than requiring disk space.
I now have a machine that has Virtual PCs on it right back to DOS and it has allowed me to run the odd old application. I even have a Linux distribution running on a Virtual PC to play around with.
It is a particularly useful trick if you happen to be running a 64 bit operating system, like XP 64. With Virtual PC, you can run XP (normal 32 bit) and hence run programs that will not install on a 64 bit machine.
It is also a useful trick if you are concerned about using the internet. Create your virtual machine, back it up (simply by copying the virtual disk file - several gigabytes). Then, after use, simply copy your backup virstual hard disk file back over the top of the original and you have "reset" the virtaul PC to a pristine state.
I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how?
by billyBtall - 4/28/07 3:56 AM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Franklin,
I can sympathize with the problems you have been having.I had initial problems with Vista but I have managed to solve 98% of them. Considering how powerful Vista is as an OS, I think I can live with 2% I haven't solved.
My peripheral problems were with my printer and CD/DVD drives. The printer problem I solved by downloading upgraded drivers from my printer manufacturers site. The CD/DVD driv problems (the most difficult and frustrating problem)I solved by following the instructions on an article on the Microsft support site. The article number is 314060.
Most software problems have been solved as well, by downloading patches.
Persevere Franklin, and I'm sure you will find Vista a worthwhile experience!
Drivers-drivers--drivers!!
by sdmmd - 4/28/07 7:13 AM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by billyBtallI have just been through all this with a new Sony laptop with Vista Business! I installed XP after formatting the hard drive--only to find a hugh (Video, audio, etc.) driver problem. I would have thought "generic" type drivers on the XP disk would have worked!
I wrote Sony about my problems, etc. asking politely about drivers, yada, yada--only to recieve a "not so nice reply" that basically (and rudely) said "no way".
They have made the identical laptop with XP-- so the drivers are available!! Somehow, downloading and trying to install them doesn't work! There is some ID number, I guess, that gets in the way!!
Any suggestions???
Best solution is simplest...
by TigerG - 4/28/07 7:45 AM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Return Vista and run to nearest Apple store, get a Mac and experience an OS that works for you instead of you having to work for it.
Return it - just like any other defective item.
by markhammons - 4/28/07 8:00 AM In reply to: I want Vista out of my PC and XP back in, but how? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Vista has major issues - it's not ready for general release. Don't buy a machine (Dell) that doesn't give you the option of XP Pro. Certainly don't go out and buy Vista to install on an existing PC. Remember Windows ME! That should have triggered a class action suit.
Retaillers will listen if consumers stop taking the responsibility to patch/update/fix the operating system themselves. If my new TV doesn't work, I'm not going to download squat. I'm returning it for one that works. If none of them work, I'll switch to another brand.
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