I feel very badly for those of you who did not know what you were getting into when you purchased a new computer with Vista pre-installed. Some of you were especially surprised when you had tried to reuse some of your current peripherals and software. You are not alone… I have had many users come to me asking to remove Vista and install Windows XP. Unfortunately, the only legitimate way to install Windows XP is to purchase a full version of XP home for $199 or Pro for $299. If you have an old Windows 98 or ME CD hanging around, you might be able to get away with purchasing upgrade versions of XP instead (not exactly legal). You can NOT use a recovery disk from any another computer.
Before you throw in the towel on Vista, may I first suggest the following:
1. Check the manufacturer’s website for Vista Drivers for your problem peripherals. These are being updated daily. If it is just one printer that is giving you trouble, it may be more cost effective to replace the printer rather than replacing Vista.
2. Check for Vista patches or downloads for the software that is giving you problems.
3. Try installing problem software using Windows compatibility mode.
4. Weigh the cost of purchasing XP and going through the headache of installing it with just replacing some software or hardware that is not Vista Compatible.
If you are still not satisfied then I would check the return policy for your computer and see if you can get your money back or an exchange. Even though most retailers are only offering computers with Vista, you can still purchase XP computers from most all business computer dealers. If you are purchasing from Dell, just go to their small business section and you will find that you have the option of either XP or Vista.
If all else fails and you have no choice but to remove Visa and replace it with Windows XP, then plan to be in for a little work. Personally I would suggest that you might want pay someone to do this for you. If not, I would recommend taking the time to follow all of these steps and checking for any specific instructions that may apply to your computer on the manufacturers website:
1. CREATE LIST OF HARDWARE – Make a list of the exact hardware in your computer. RT Click on MY COMPUTER > Select HARDWARE Tab > Select DEVICE MANAGER - Go down though the list of devices and click on the + sign next to all hardware such as Display, Sound, Network and write down the actual names of the devices that are installed in your computer.
2. CHECK FOR XP DRIVERS – You have to make sure that your specific model computer actually has Windows XP drivers available for it. Some manufacturers may not offer XP drivers for all models. Double check your hardware list above to make sure you can get the drivers you need.
3. DOWNLOAD XP DRIVERS – Download and save to a CD all Windows XP drivers that you will need for your model computer.
4. RECOVERY PLAN – If for some reason your Windows XP installation does not go very well, you are going to want to have a plan to get back to Vista. If your computer came with a set of Recovery CD’s or an original Windows Vista CD, then you are all set. If not, your computer may have come with an option to burn your own set of recovery CD’s or DVD’s. If so, now is the time to create those.
5. EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED – Just to give you an idea of what you may run into: I removed Vista from a laptop this week and installed Windows XP Home. Everything went fine and I found all the XP drivers. But I ran into a Video problem on XP that did not show up on Vista that required me to update the computers BIOS.
6. Insert the Windows XP installation CD and reboot the computer.
7. Press any key to boot from CD (When this come up on the screen)
8. If you have trouble booting from the CD you may have to change your boot order in your Bios settings or you may be able to hit the F12 key during boot to select the CD drive.
9. You will want to select the option to Delete the C: partition that contains Vista and then select that same partition to install Windows XP.
10. It will now Format the Drive and install Windows XP.
11. Depending on your computer, you may have to press F6 to install SATA drivers.
12. After Windows starts your will need to Install all the drivers that you downloaded. Start with ChipSet and Motherboard Drivers first and then proceed to Video and Audio drivers. Finish off with Network, Modem and other drivers last.
13. Now you will want to go online and install all the Windows updates (about 80 as of this date) and then start installing all of your software, printers and accessories.
If all went well, you should be up and running now with Windows XP.
Good Luck!
Dana
Wayland Computer
Hi all,
The OEM license on your computer would be issued for Windows Vista Home. Unfortunately MS WVH and WVHP do not have downgrade rights. So by trying to install XP using your old computer's build disk you are break the licensing agreement. Remember that MS have also got the "genuine software" scanner to check the authenticity of the OS.
If this doesn't bother you then, unless your new machine is from the same maker the build disk may not work. Even if it is from the same maker it may not work depending on the model differences and if the OEM built the build disk to check model types.
Should you clear these problems and are able to use the build disk, then I strongly recommend downloading the latest XP drivers and software from the PC maker, unzipping (packing) and burning them to CDROM before trying to install XP on that new machine.
I have heard this issue from everybody I know that is using Vista. I would take the computer back to where I bought it and get my money back. You did not buy a new computer so you would have to go out and buy new software and new peripherals. Part of the price you paid for the new computer was for the operating system and if it does not play nice with others why should you have to buy another copy of XP? My solution to this problem after 25 years of being a PC user was to buy a Mac. It works with all my peripherals has nearly all the software I need built in has not crashed once in the 8 months I have had it and has been a joy to use.
Best idea yet. A lot of my friends have a mac and they love it. I am tired of not having my peripherals work.
A couple of articles that I have read lately also mentioned the peripheral driver problems that have become apparent with the new vista os. Perhaps if you have got a large enough HD you could install XP in a different partition and turn your computer into a dual boot system and get the best of both worlds. Good luck !
Seriously now, sometimes it can be a job to put an os on your computer that it didn't come with.
sometimes it's easy as pie.
it depends on your computer manufacturer's choice of parts.
specifically, the motherboard.
some manufacturers support multiple os's on their computers because a customer may want to install something different than offered. typically this happens in the business IT sector. normally IT shops have as few operating systems to deal with as possible. early adoption isn't going on there for the most part.
so, the manufacturer will have drivers avalable for say, win2k, winxp and vista. Some include Linux support as well. this is for computers aimed at corporate use.
typically, home users are stuck with whatever os the manufacturer installed, unless...
you are willing to open the case on your computer, and read what model motherboard you have in your computer. this will allow you to go to the OEM's site who made the motherboard and find drivers for it if they were ever made.
also this gives to the chance to actually see what chips are on your motherboard and just go to the companies that made them and get specific drivers for them, bypassing the oem.
say your motherboard was based on a VIA northbridge and southbridge.
you go to your pc's manufacturers site, and they don't have xp drivers for the chipset, you can go to VIA's viaarena.com and get them.
same thing for an nVidia nForce chipset. (nvidia.com)
chances are, if you're willing to do the dirty work of figuring out what you need (drivers), you can go back to the older OS.
Like you, I have installed Vista on a desktop and laptop computers. I am frustrated with the slowness, the annoying driver compatibility messages, and the never-ending other popup messages that transpire during each session. Rather than revert to XP, depending on your needs, I suggest trying Linux! I have had dual-boot systems for the past two years, and am increasingly impressed with Linux and the open source community. I am running Novell OpenSuse 10.2. I admit, though, that there are still a few programs that I need, e.g., Quicken, for which the open source alternatives are not as robust. To start, simply download and try one of the Linux distributions that you can run from your CD or DVD drive without having to install it on your hard drive. That will allow you to check for hardware compatibilities.
System recovery disks are specific to a machine so you will have to buy a windows XP operating system and install that to get windows XP on your new machine.
Thank goodness i am not the only one having trouble with vista i have been on the phone endless times to BT but i still cannot get connected. I hope someone can give you some help and hopefully it will help me.
not a techie, but a friend who makes a living in that space told me to avoid vista for at least a year because of issues like yours...good luck!
I had also bought a new Vista desktop & had encounted the same problem. MS Vista simply refused to run some of my favorite programs after I had installed the softwares & it also refused to install the drivers of some peripherals (e.g. my ATI video card, scanner & printer). But worst of all, even for my new Microsoft's own Webcam (LifeCam VX1000) that I had just bought, Vista simply rejected the original installation CD & required me to waste many many hours infront of the PC to download a hugh firmware of over 120MB (online).
It was really very irritating & frustrating. After wasting 2 days downloading new softwares/firmwares & trying to install my favorite programs & the drivers of my peripherals, the new Vista PC froze frequently & refused to shutdown. I have to "force shut down" my new Vista PC by pushing & hold the power button for 5 seconds, but then, it refused to bootup again. I have to reset by pulling out the power cord on the back of the computer & then plug it in again (before I can boot up again).
From my experience, there is no use to "restore" or "recover" because the same thing will happen again & again after you have download & run the softwares/firmwares. Unless you are willing to waste hundreds (or thousands) of dollars throw away all your existing favorite programs & your XP peripherials, the new Vista PC will not work in harmony with your existing XP softwares & peripherials.
Unless you buy & install a new retail version of XP OS, the old XP "recovery disks" of your old XP desktop will detect that the software does not match the new Vista PC.
For me, after wasting 4 painful days infront of my new Vista desktop (downloading new softwares & calling customer support repeatedly), I finally gave up. I returned my new Vista desktop back to the shop for refund.
A lot of people I know are having similar problems with Vista and my advice is to make a partition on your HDD and install XP, which will give you the option at start-up to choose an operating system. That way you can still run all your older software and incompatible hardware. It's going to take at least another year for microsoft to work out all the glitches, but they are working on patches and releasing weekly updates to help solve all the backward compatibility issues.
how to dual boot.
by SyNapS3 - 8/14/06 9:49 AM
In reply to: Dual Boot using XP & Vista by cdmatt
go into control panel,Then click to open system, click advanced tab. In the 'Startup and Recovery' section click settings. click edit. this will open the boot.ini in a notepad you will see this
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS=''Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition'' /fastdetect
you need to change it to look like this :
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS=''Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition'' /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS=''Microsoft Windows Vista'' /fastdetect
now when you boot windows and extra screen will appear with these options. use arrow keys to select,then enter
Windows Vista does not use the NT Boot Loader that Windows XP did, so modifying boot.ini to include a reference to Windows Vista will not work...it will still only be able to boot to XP. You should use something along the lines of VistaBootPRO (freeware) to modify the boot process for Vista.
John
You're probably right, because I upgraded to vista from xp and it probably won't work the other way around, but it works on my system
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