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Community Newsletter: Q&A: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice?

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 4/19/07 2:39 PM
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Post 121 of 136

OK for my 80-year old dad

by cogitovici - 4/13/07 8:51 PM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I had been building or buying computers for my father for many years. He never really did more than print pictures, browse AOL, and do his finances. He hated all the space and clutter a desktop requires. I suggested a laptop, and it was heaven-sent. He connects it to an all-in-one printer, the phone line, and a parallel printer. He has a USB mouse and keyboard, and his ports are all full, I think. He does not care if he loses all of his data, and the only time it leaves his desk is when I do upgrades and cleanups. He does not even want any external storage for backups, though I think that he should.

However, I read a long time ago, that the "dirty little secret" about laptops is that they drop dead in unexpected ways and are not easy or cheap to fix.

With my desktop, if the motherboard fails, I can go out and buy a new one and have it up and running again in a few hours, sometimes for as little as 50 bucks. Hard drive fails? Got them lying all over the house. Want to add some cool new thing? Just pop it in...and they are not always USB. Need RAM for a new OS? Pop in a couple more. I have three hard drives in the case, a DVD recorder, CD player, a floppy just in case, and USB ports up the ying-yang. Power supply fails? Usually have one or two lying around that were free-after-rebate ready to go. EVERYTHING is cheaper for a desktop, compared to laptop-specific hardware. Keyboard fails? 10 bucks down the street, and I don't have to go price shopping or buying parts off of ebay...they are all readily available locally, within a 10 minute drive. Cannot say that about laptop parts.

Personally, I have both, and then some. I don't use the good laptop too, too often, and hesitate taking it on trips because I don't want to lose it, but it sure comes in handy for a variety of reasons, and with the WIFI and all the wireless equipment we have in the house, I can drag it out to the pool on a hot summer's eve. The whole house is networked with Cat-5 (some of it running up through a hole in the ceiling in the corner of the family room behind a bookcase, going up into the floor of a closet in a spare bedroom, then snaked up into the attic and dropped into one more room, and soon into the bedroom so that we can watch Replay TV and other stuff up there too.

I also have a cheapo old laptop that we take on vacations, more for simple games, some word processing, and to back up pictures from the camera while we are away. I can plug it in or use wifi, as available on cruise ships or at hotels, for Internet access, and use MS Streets and Trips with GPS to see where the heck we are.

All that said, I would keep both, unless your requirements are simple, you don't mind plugging and unplugging all the time, and you do very regular backups and never fail to remember where your laptop is when you are out and about. I even use a locking cable to lock it into the trunk of the car. I would not foil a real thief, but it would help keep honest folks honest.

When I do use my better LT at home, I have an Ethernet cable always at the ready coming out of our router in the living room, there is a USB mouse right there, and the power supply is right by the desk, hanging there for easy access. Too, when it is not in use, I keep it in a neoprene slip cover, just in case a beer gets knocked over on the desk above!

BTW, I often dream of dumping all or some of the desktops and going for laptops, especially for my wife, but they are just too vulnerable to spills, failure and theft. Give me a good, solid desktop any day, for all around computing power in the house.

Cheers,
Cogito

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I made the switch (mostly)

by jmw082 - 4/13/07 9:40 PM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I work from home, but was sharing the desktop with family members. I found an almost new Dell E1505 on ebay. It came loaded. I set up my wireless network and share the printers, so I don't worry about a USB connection. I do connect a scanner when I need it. As for hauling it around, I take it with me maybe 3-4 days a week, and it has behaved itself for about 5 months now.

I got an external hard drive to back up my important data. (I needed a firewire adapter for my iPod, and moved my music to the external drive.)

I also shared my documents folder on the desktop. I did not need everything there on the laptop, so I copy files when I need them.

I sync my Treo to the laptop as well.

I use a flash drive when I need it.

As for games, they are fine on the laptop, though I do not do heavy duty gaming.

The internet speed is very good. I got a Buffalo Technologies router that is quite fast and reliable.

I added a small wireless mouse for the laptop when I need it.

Get a locking cable for it if you go someplace where you may have to leave it in a room for a minute.

I am glad I made the switch.

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Neat Freak

by saab 900 - 4/14/07 4:56 AM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I have a little Acer TravelMate laptop as my only pc. Got it secondhand with a mate - too poor to buy a new anything. So I use this laptop for everything - church correspondance, producing a church magazine, producing church accounts, e mail, surfing, playing Sims 1 (can't play Sims 2, inadequate specs).
Disadvantages. All as mentioned by others. Too slow - my friend's old desktop way outperforms the laptop even though it has a slower processor!
Only 30 gb memory. Get what you pay for!
Very unpleasant to do a lot of typing on - bad un-ergonomic keyboard. As a data entry processor by occupation I really don't like the discomfort of typing minutes on a flat topped laptop keyboard while sitting at a table. It's easier when the pc is - on my lap!
Talking of which - I have worn out my keyboard. Just as well I can touch type. I have bought a new one but can't find anyone who knows how to fit it! Time to scratch on the keys and then use tipex to paint on new characters.
Cannot handle dial up automatic live update. Slow laptops lock up solid if you are trying to surf at the same time Microsoft or Norton are trying to do automatic updates on dial up.
Locks up solide if you try to open and close apps too quickly.
Cannot be Vista updated.
Doesn't do a very good job of burning cds - tends to wreck the middle of the cd whether music or back up data leading to loss of vital data.
And now it's overheating - Sims crashes on load up because the processor gets to hot running hard for twenty minutes to load my heavily augmented game (lots of downloaded extra objects). I have to cold start to get Sims running. No surfing or working first.


Advantages - Takes up no room at all and doesn't have wires and cables everywhere. I can't wait for my friend to take her desktop pc home again. I hate yards of cables dangling all over the place. My printer is an all in one scanner, copier, faxer printer, so I need only 1 usb port and have just one trailing cable. I use a separate floppy drive for church correspondance and it sits easily on the table beside the laptop.
Can be easily carried to church meetings or to friend's homes for an evening's companionable Simming.
I shall definitely NOT get a desk top next time. Hate clutter and have a very small appartment. But I shall get a much better laptop and also one of those cooling pads. At the moment I prop the laptop on a small book all the time to allow air circulation underneath. I think it helps a bit and it makes typing a little less uncomfortable.
Go for good specs, the best you can afford, and keep the thing nice and cool. I was thinking of getting a desk fan, but was warned it might interfere with the laptop if stood too close.

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Assess your needs

by James Behnke - 4/14/07 5:28 AM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Do you:
1) Need a lot of relatively inexpensive processing power (I.e. video / photo editing)?
2) A large amount of storage space (I.e. video / photo / music library)?
3) Plan on keeping this computer for at least 5 years as your primary machine?
4) Like / appreciate / need a large monitor and keyboard (photo editing / graphic work)?
5) Work at home and / or space available in your home for a nice, quite, comfortable "computer lair"?

-If your answer is yes to a majority of these questions, go with a desktop

BUT...if you:
1) NEED TO BE MOBILE for your studies / job / work habits
2) Do not need a lot of processing power / storage space (use the computer PRIMARILY for Web content, office work and not for editing camera RAW files, video editing, iTunes and the like)
3) Can afford to replace the computer after 3 years or so as your primary machine
4) Do not have a suitable space in your home for a decent, accessible home office
5) Can afford to buy a large, external flat-panel monitor and keyboard, and possible external hard drive IN ADDITION to the laptop (esp. if you want to use the laptop for video, photos, etc.)

-If your answer is yes to a majority of these questions, then go with a laptop

I have a new Dell desktop for video / photo / Itunes w/ a nice 20" monitor and an older Apple iBook w/ an external 17" plant panel for everyday Web research, e-mail uses, and taking to classes.

Hope this helps :-)

P.S. If you want to play games, don't spend $5,000 on a desktop w/a water-cooled case, neon lights, or flames painted on the sides; save the money and get a Playstation or XBOX.

Post 125 of 136

Go beyond Vista, upgrade to a Mac!

by jetreader - 4/14/07 5:45 AM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Okay, just kidding. Mostly! But really, I think Macs are much better. I have a Mac laptop on loan from the college I'm going to and I love it. I used to just be able to use a Windows desktop, now though, I can take this thing to my room, to college, etc. (especially since I have a spare battery). It's not perfect since it only has 10.3 on it, but if I keep it updated, it's not much worse and so about all I miss from 10.4 is Dashboard and Spotlight. Good luck with your move and for everyone else out there, just get a Mac. It's better!


Jetreader

Post 126 of 136

Yes......................and no

by beebee31 - 4/14/07 5:55 AM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

David,

I think there are lots of reasons for moving to a laptop (providing you follow what I consider to be the good advice above on screen size etc) but there are some fairly big reasons why you should do this only after careful thought.

Computers are much more robust now than in the past, but you should still consider that they are just electronics at the end of the day, and at risk from damage. This risk is obviously greater if you carry them about.

This sounds (well ok it IS) obvious, as is the next reason.

The risk of theft is obviously much higher if you take your computer out. I know several seasoned travellers (the "it'll never happen to me" type) who have had laptops stolen while travelling at train stations, airports, out of cars....

This is obviously a huge pain in the bum, but imagine if that were your PRIMARY machine and your backups were out of date....and whose backups are really always up to date??

Technically I can see good reasons for moving but I would be very hesitant to encourage someone to make this their only machine. Our house has two desktops, two lappies and four or five external hard drives for storage, and I'm still nervous about losing the laptop. I can't imagine it being our only pc...........

Apologies if I've repeated other people's postings.

Bruce

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Considering a move to a laptop...

by Bill Waxman - 4/14/07 7:52 AM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Dear Mr. Koo:

I resolved this problem by having a desktop computer, which is "on" all the time, operating as my home base computer and using two laptops, one for my wife and one for myself, through the internet via "LogMeIn.com" software. The software cost for the arrangement is zero for personal use and thus each of us can log onto the desktop as necessary to provide ourselves additional storage space or access to higher speed file downloading etc. by means of being virtually present operating the desktop computer. The arrangement works, by the way, anywhere on Earth where a reasonably fast wireless or wired ethernet connection is available. I have used my home computer just as though I were sitting in front of it from Berlin, Germany and Cambridgeshire, England.

By using a fairly quick laptop (Toshiba A205-S361) with 1GB RAM, 120GB 5400RPM HD and 802.11g wireless I am able to edit video, photos and the like and transfer the finished product back to my home computer thus keeping the laptop hard drive cleaned up and available as a field workstation.

Now my solution may not be practical for you but it works just fine for me and certainly allows me to use the best features of both kinds of computer. Incidentally, it works just as well from a wirelessly connected PDA, like the Sony PEG TJ-37, a lovely little device that has, unfortunately, been discontinued from production. I suspect, however, that any of the HP or Palm devices with built-in wireless WiFi would function pretty much the same way as will the new iPhone when it becomes available.

I hope this description of my solution is of help to you in making your decision.

Sincerely,

Bill

p.s. I have no connecton to either Sony or Toshiba. I have owned and loved about six or seven Toshiba notebooks and all of them are still running just as they did when their boxes were opened many years ago.

The Sony, on the other hand began "unscrewing" itself and losing said objects nearly from "day one". Caveat emptor...

Post 128 of 136

Laptops can make a suitable desktop replacement

by mkoehne - 4/14/07 8:20 AM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I work for a large computer consulting firm. I tele-commute with a laptop provided by my company. My entire job relys on my PC, which provides my connectivity to the world. At first I was reluctant to trust a laptop to provide this connection. I don't really use many resource intensive programs, but I do have a lot of programs open at once. And without my PC, I can't do my work. Period.

With the use of a docking bay, my laptop essentially becomes a desktop. Since it has a 3.4GHz P4 processor, 2Gb of RAM and 128Mb of dedicated video RAM, it has plenty of horsepower. It's not exactly a high-end gaming machine, but it does EVERYTHING I ask it to do. I connect a 17" monitor to it's VGA port so that my desktop is spread over two 17" monitors, one at 1400x900 and the other at 1280x1024. That's plenty of desktop space. I also use the dock to connect an external USB DVD-RW, Wireless USB mouse/keyboard, 3 external USB hard drives, 100Mbit NIC and a USB AIO printer. For some reason, the dock does not have a VGA connector. Without the docking bay, it would be a major hassle to disconnect the laptop and take it anywhere. With the dock, it's as easy as unhooking two cables (docking cable and VGA cable).

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Re: Considering a move to a laptop

by teacee90 - 4/14/07 6:48 PM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I like a lot of computers users, use both. I have read comments about not using a docking station, well that depends on the laptop. I recently purchased a Hp DV9260nr and a week later purchased the docking station (XB3000) for this laptop. Let me say this, it is much better, The laptop sits higher so that the screen is eye level like a desktop monitor, and is adjustable. It has builtin speakers that sound twice as good as the laptop speakers. a video out port, a full size wireless keyboard and mouse, headphones, usb, Dsl, phone modem port and this is the firt docking station I have seen that has a side compartment to add a 300 or 400 gb external hard drive so it is hidden away, and runs at 7200 not 5400 like the standard laptop hard drives. As for my laptop, I could not be more pleased. It has 17" High Def screen, two hard drives 120gb each, (laptops do come in larger sizes not maxed at 160gb like one of the replies stated) it has a HD-DVD/multi drive so you can watch HD dvd movies and record dvd'd and cd's. A builtin web cam dual headphones input, 5 in 1 media card reader hdmi out to connect to your hd tv. The new express card format with digital/analog tv tuner and 2 remote controls, which I have a satellite connected and record all the time. Beautiful inside and out, I have compared the same features with the other top computer sellers and none of them come close to the price. (And no I do not work for hp, just a happy customer). If you are looking to replace your desktop, a laptop with 17-20" is the way to go and you probably won't be traveling that much with something that big, its a great investment good luck, I hope this helps.

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RE: Moving to laptop from desktop

by newsmartin18 - 4/17/07 7:51 AM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I've read a lot of the responses so far and there's lots of good info. Gap between desktop and laptop is closing, such that it is becoming totally a user preference. You can get batteries for desktops and you can add monitors and keyboard/mouse combos to the laptop. My company uses laptops exclusively for Windows based computing. Unix based is on Sun Workstations. We use them everyday all day and I sometime use mine after hours as it can be carried around the house easily. For me, if a laptop were my only computer, I would budget for replacement or upgrades at least every 3 years. At work I've found that performance goes way down at about this time. Be sure to account for backups and data security and you are all set.

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Hi

by Alireza_mahdy - 4/18/07 9:30 AM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

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Read Reviews from Real Laptop Buyers

by gkear1974 - 4/18/07 2:31 PM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I found it very helpful to read reviews of laptop models from actual laptop users, like the ones here on ebay.

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Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advise?

by smokyblueo7 - 4/19/07 12:32 AM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Hello David B.

I am a full time laptop user. I have to keep up with today as well as tomorrow's tech knowledge, as I am an administrator on the site www.3gINFERNO.com, where we help people with connection issues, not just Sprint phones. The things that you can do with a laptop are amazing! It's great that you have all the extras, and if they are blue tooth compatible, it makes life a little easier, alltho I saw that you are considering a docking station. That is the one item that I do not use, as I am totaly portable, I even take my laptop to the laundry mat. I noticed that you have a cable modem listed, and even tho wifi is a great thing, there are some places that do not have that yet, and that is when I discovered that the phone as modem plan, from most cellular phone services*, is a great thing. You can also obtain a usb dongle, and have high speed internet, that is close to the speed of wifi, and is above dsl.

As far as the security, I do know that Toshiba is a great company ( they do not use alien ware in the laptops ) and they have locks for the laptops. If you are worried about hacking, I am sure that you being a computer owner, you have the proper software for it, and always remember to safeguard all your information.

Most of all, remember, there are sites out on the net that can help you with anything that you need, like this one, and I hope that you will enjoy your laptop, as well as I am enjoying mine!

Smoky Blue,
www.3gINFERNO.com

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Is Portability Needed For You? (I'm sticking with a desktop)

by john55440 - 4/21/07 9:48 AM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Since I do all of my computing in one spot, I'm sticking with a desktop computer. As others have noted, desktops are more cost-effective, more powerful, more expandable, have more ports, and have a nicer keyboard, than laptop computers.

Post 135 of 136

About warranties...

by cplusc99 - 4/21/07 11:08 AM In reply to: Considering a move to a laptop full time, any advice? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Some credit cards companies (i.e. American Express and certain "platinum" cards) will double the manufacturer's warranty for certain items purchased with their cards. This fact, combined with the fact that you usually have easier recourse against the seller under certain circumstances should something go wrong related to the purchase, makes buying your new computer with the right credit card a no-brainer. Check the details of your card's coverage. This "freebie," especially when combined with buying a computer with a decent one-year warranty, usually makes much more sense than paying for an extended warranty plan.

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