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Spyware, viruses, & security : How do you keep your kids safe online?

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 4/2/07 2:22 PM
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Sometimes They Are The Same Thing

by Grif Thomas Moderator - 4/8/07 8:13 AM In reply to: Reply to: For users who don't use router by yukiuk

...and overlapping of the two is hard to define. Even legitimate sites will load inappropriate spyware/adware and other popups that children shouldn't see. Some of the newer vulnerabilities have been placed on hacked websites.. Adware commonly loads "redirects" to porn sites. They're one and the same.

I don't distinguish between the two.. If the site is unwanted, block them all. It's one of the reasons I use a HOSTS file.. All unwanted sites are blocked.. If you want to allow a site that's currently blocked, remove it from HOSTS. If you want to ADD a site, add it to HOSTS.

Hope this helps.

Grif

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Sometimes they are the same thing?

by yukiuk - 4/8/07 2:06 PM In reply to: Sometimes They Are The Same Thing by Grif Thomas Moderator

Hi Grif - I concede your point, but I have NEVER personally experienced this. (inappropriate pop-ups or ads from legitimate sites). I have been connected to the net for over 2 years and use 'Firefox' (with the 'Adblock Plus' extension) as my browser and Pc-Cillin A.V. Apparently that must be enough to keep the unwanted pop-ups and other nasties away. One of my main concerns for my grand children is sites like 'Evilchili' which contain some fun and harmless material but whose home page also contains direct links to porn and nudity, one slip of the mouse clicker and voila!

Regards and Happy Easter JIMBO

Post 33 of 118

Exactly My Point...

by Grif Thomas Moderator - 4/8/07 4:05 PM In reply to: Sometimes they are the same thing? by yukiuk

A website such as Evilchili can be allowed in a HOSTS file while the links to bad websites are blocked. It works EXACTLY as you would hope. An errant mouse click simply brings up a blank page because the "bad" link is blocked.

Of course, an extensive HOSTS file might block a few of your "favorite" sites simply because they advertise too much.. In those case, remove the blocked site from the HOSTS file and you're back in business again.

Hope this helps.

Grif

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Children accessing inappropriate sites

by Donna Buenaventura Moderator - 4/10/07 1:13 PM In reply to: Reply to: For users who don't use router by yukiuk

The hosts file and/or IE-SPYAD has list of domains that is inappropriate for children.

IE-SPYAD has long list links to adults domain which of course inappropriate to childen again.

I'm not talking about spyware alone :-)

IE-SPYAD adds the list in restricted zone in IE so if you have IE browser and it is in use by a child or any application is integrated with IE.. with restricted lists of sites by IE-SPYADS in place, it will help the child to not to view the domain.

HOSTS file is good to use since before the domain (porn and other bad sites) can reach your browser, it is blocked already since communication with those bad domains is blocked.

Bad domains most and often is inappropriate to children.

SiteHound also does the same. Porn sites is blocked.

Post 35 of 118

Keeping kids save online

by i,Jimbot - 4/11/07 4:20 PM In reply to: How do you keep your kids safe online? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Mac OS X and Safari have parental controls built in. They are easy to set up, easy to use, and they don't cost anything extra!

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this might help, please read

by Recneps57 - 4/11/07 4:21 PM In reply to: How do you keep your kids safe online? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

i actually happen to be a teenager, and i used to look at bad stuff. i haven't for a quite a while and know the dangers of doing these kind of things. for some reason parents seem to think that all these security filters work... well, they don't. there is this nifty site called google, i'm sure you've heard of it. it allows you to search anything, including porn (well duh). history is not as accurate as you would think, considering you can simply open it up, and delete any cookies you didn't want anyone else to see. we used to have Norton on our home computer here, and it did a descent job, but there will always be random sites that aren't marked or whatever. anyway, if you dig deep enough into the search engines, you can find a link that's not blocked that'll give you a look at crap you shouldn't be lookin' at. this was a while back, like 2 years or so, so i'm not sure how good the newer programs are, but i think there's still loop holes and crap in them too. windows happens to have this thing, like offline browsing, and it'll keep info on pages you've visited and even without being connected to the net you can view the pages. even if some one has deleted the cookies, the sites should still be listed in the computer in a temporary file, you can use the search feature in windows to look up key words (ie. nudity, nude, sex, porn, naked, etc.), if someone's been looking up crap, it should pull up the temp. files on it, or whatever and you can tell they've been looking at bad stuff. of course you should hope most kids won't read this or they'll start doing it and deleting those files too, but anyway. it's safest to have a good long talk with your child. intall some net security software, monitoring software or whatever. make sure to be around them when they're using the net. try keeping the comp in a family area if the problems don't stop. or if it's that huge of an addiction to your child, take the computer out completely. whatever, i hope some of this happened, now that i think about it, it probably didn't do much. but whatever, this is a huge problem, and if you're a lazy ass parent and don't talk with your child or take an active role in monitoring what they're doing, and you just slap on a net security and think it's all good now, you're just stupid. oh... don't be a ****** about it either, your child will just hate you more and actively try to do the wrong thing. good luck!

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Thank you for your info...and keeping our children safe!

by didadragonfly - 4/11/07 5:32 PM In reply to: this might help, please read by Recneps57

I know, as a parent of 4 children, a son who is now 22yrs. and a daughter that is 14 that what has been shared is fact. No matter what parents buy to keep their kids safe online, NOTHING substitutes parental supervision, and I think that anyone who tells you less is either trying to sell you something or is just that ignorant.
Even the nicest most rule abiding child will stray on the internet because they CAN.
Please do your kids a favor, WATCH them, BE WITH them, TALK TO them and above all STICK TO YOUR PLAN. They may think you're overprotective and "mean" or "unfair", but, they will thank you in the long run. One other tip that I would like to post, sorry if it has already been said, BUT, do NOT allow your child access to a webcam!!! They do NOT NEED one and too many bad things have happened to innocent kids because they are given access to this piece of equipment. Teens and young kids can be coaxed into a lot of behaviors that are completely inappropriate and sometimes harmful.
Protect them! They are precious and we only get ONE chance!
God Bless.
~DidaDragonfly~ concerned parent

Post 38 of 118

Lets not forget the most important component of all!

by pearl298 - 4/11/07 7:38 PM In reply to: this might help, please read by Recneps57

Recneps57 brings up a good point, nothing that you can put onto a computer can possibly be foolproof!

If a child is old enough to use the internet, then they need to know there is danger out there. Just like they know about dangers from walking down the street.

This doesn't mean a grisly tale of some thing that might (or might not) happen, but it does mean that the child should know to ask about anything that doesn't seem right.

Post 39 of 118

I compleatly agree

by Tlil - 4/11/07 9:07 PM In reply to: this might help, please read by Recneps57

Im only 16 and know for a fact that there is no program that can stop people form accessing Internet sites you don't want them too, even the newly installed computer monitoring software (vision Client) our school has in stalled isn't fool proof, the first day of it being installed everyone found a simple way to bypass it, the fact is that if an adolescent wants to find a way to get at dirty sites they will, the best thing to do is monitor them visually. My parents have installed such things but me knowing much more about computers then them have found ways to get around them, (not to look at bad material rather to see if i could do it).

Post 40 of 118

Don't be a fool

by Archus - 4/12/07 6:25 AM In reply to: I compleatly agree by Tlil

You know nothing for a fact. I know. I've been 16 as have most of us. To assume to be able to take out any program is just pompous. I started programming when I was ten and hacking at 13. Now, I make a living out of making things you can't get around.

That being said, your advice is actually helpful. I agree that parents shouldn't just assume that the quick fix filter out there will keep them and their children safe. I also agree that everyone and everything has a weakness and that the only way to fix that is for parents to understand their childrens world and response accordingly.

Post 41 of 118

Don't be pompous yourself.

by Trunkuza - 4/12/07 12:53 PM In reply to: Don't be a fool by Archus

Off topic:
Nothing out there is completely safe. There are workarounds for everything, some small little hole somewhere that, if given the time, people could work around. I'm not saying I could do it, I'm just saying that nothing is 100% foolproof.
Example:
DeepFreeze works on the concept of having the computer do a system-restore in the background during startup, anything you do can and will be removed, they claim to be foolproof, but there are multiple ways to break it, too.

Back on topic:
The best thing to do, as has been said, is monitor, monitor, monitor. I'm only 19, but my sister-in-law (who is 13) thinks she owns her mom's computer. She's on it more often than I used to be on mine (which is saying something, as I used to be on it for long times during the day, end of school to about 1AM the next morning). So I try to assist my mother-in-law however possible. Only problem: The kid's a spoiled brat, and (I hate to say it), knows as much as I do about security and protection software. Kids are getting smarter when it comes to computers, and without supervision, they WILL find a way. Unplug your computers when you're not home, and bring the power cord with you, forget about every type of software beyond virus- and adware-scanners, and make sure you're with them at all times.

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so in reality.....

by Archus - 4/12/07 1:43 PM In reply to: Don't be pompous yourself. by Trunkuza

I'm not saying there aren't work-arounds, but to assume you can crack anything out there is pompous. Yes there are work arounds. Hey, I EXPECT your kids to find a hole in whatever you use. It's up to you to plug those holes.

As far as taking the cord, um, getting another one is easy.

Back on topic, nothing you use BY IT SELF is going to do the trick. There are no stand alone nannies out there. Use a combination of tools and keep on top of both technology and your childrens activities.

Post 43 of 118

You can get this program for free...from Zdnet

by georgesingleton - 4/12/07 6:03 PM In reply to: I compleatly agree by Tlil

You can get this program for free from Zdnet called WebAllow which permits you to only go to certain sites unless you have a password...Matter of fact, you can't uninstall the program unless you have a password.

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McAfee Privacy Service

by tsrman - 4/11/07 4:30 PM In reply to: How do you keep your kids safe online? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

McAfee's 'Privacy Service' tool (part of the Total Protection suite) lets the parent/admin set particular hours that the kids are allowed to surf. It also has some kind of algorhythm that looks for too much 'flesh-tone' on the screen, and replaces nudie pics with McAfee icons where found. Best of all it redirects to a McAfee 'banned page' screen anytime a website contains bad language in text, or is on the list of known-offending bad sites. This combined with SiteAdvisor Plus (which prevents kids from going to sites that contain spyware / adware, or generate lots of spam, makes my system much safer for kids to use.

Post 45 of 118

besafe online

by oneduckboy - 4/11/07 4:49 PM In reply to: How do you keep your kids safe online? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

we've used it for years and found it consistently keep a teenager in the right areas of the web.

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