Buzz Out Loud Lounge: Barry Marshall and Walter McDonough interview
Barry Marshall and Walter McDonough interview
by minimalist - 3/31/07 11:08 AMWas anyone else bothered by the pseudo-libertarian "if-they-can't-compete-and-pay-what-we-say-we-want-they-shouldn't-be-in-business-anyway" attitude of Barry Marshall and Walter McDonough on the Friday's special podcast?
Given the horrible effect that corperate consolidation has had on the quality of terrestrial radio, why should we assume that "letting the market handle it" will produce anything of more quality in webcasting? Not to mention it's pretty dishonest to claim we should just let "market forces" take care of this when the people who will benefit are using an unfair provision slipped into the DMCA to justifying charging one group of broadcasters more than another. Is having the biggest lobbying group now a part of "market forces"?
Marshall's argument that "two wrongs don't make a right" may be true. But its not excatly right to use political influence to slip provisions into laws while nobody is looking to pad your own pockets. The question has not been answered: WHY should internet radio have to pay more than satelite and terrestrial radio for the same product?
I also find it suspicious that these men claimed that the RIAA has nothing to do with this ruling. Tim Westergren, the founder of Pandora and the Music Genome Project, begs to differ: http://www.saveourinternetradio.com/. So who's telling the truth?
minimalist
I'm sure a lot will disgree with me.
by Kokoro-Kun - 3/31/07 12:01 PM In reply to: Barry Marshall and Walter McDonough interview by minimalistSomething I'd never thought possible.
but I was quite turned off by the cockiness of the interview, the whole 'artists deserve anything they want' and the, like minimalist stated, 'maybe you shouldn't be in business' attitude just disgust me to no end. it shows no respect for the public and no knowledge to what the public wants.
and frankly, not willing to compromise and deliver a workable model AT ALL..
and you wonder why consumer hate DRM talks? they are frankly sicken by it. to the point that even mentioning of DRM makes them want to just turn off.
You know what's really sad? The interview on BOL a while back with the MPAA (I think), the guy on the show showed more understanding of what public wants than this interview.
and this is the BLOODY MPAA!!!
*sighs*
I found them cocky too
by minimalist - 3/31/07 2:11 PM In reply to: I'm sure a lot will disgree with me. by Kokoro-Kun"but I was quite turned off by the cockiness of the interview, the whole 'artists deserve anything they want' and the, like minimalist stated, 'maybe you shouldn't be in business' attitude just disgust me to no end. it shows no respect for the public and no knowledge to what the public wants."
I too thought these guys came across as cocky. The industry guy I could understand. He's basically gonna repeat the party line. But the professor surprised me with his complete agreement with the broadcasting industry.
The glib suggestion that "we're willing to work with these broadcasters and negotiate deals on a case by case basis" smacks of just-trust-me disingenuousness. Its like a politician voting to give his or herself a salary increase raise and then promising the public that they won't really talk ALL that money. Yeah, right. If you are going to supposedly be so flexible about rates, then why use political influence to set them too high in the first place?
I think taking into consideration what is good for the public is an important angle that has not been talked about yet. But the two biggest question to me are:
1. Why does one group of broadcasts have to pay so much more for the same exact content as another group?
2. Yes, "it's the law"... we already know that Soundscan guy. But Why is it OK for an industry to use political influence to CREATE such a law in the first place? Is it the government's business to help create non-level playing fields?
minimalist
Given enough rope...?
by acedtect
- 3/31/07 3:43 PM
In reply to: I found them cocky too by minimalist
This was an interesting situation, as we didn't know we'd have McDonough until a couple hours before. He was suggested by Barry Marshall and I wasn't aware he was on the sound exchange board until we had him on the phone minutes before the recording.
I knew Barry Marshall was a record producer but was surprised he wanted to take the role of record producer more than professor. so in his defence against the observation that he didn't sound as professorial as you might expect, he was speaking as a producer.
I tried to come up with as many questions from the other side as possible. One question I really wish I had thought of, was "Why do we need a knew agreement?" McDonough kept referring to the last agreement. Why do we need this knew one?
Anyway, glad you found the interview interesting.
having said all that.
by Kokoro-Kun - 3/31/07 4:06 PM In reply to: Given enough rope...? by acedtect
I do believe Tom brought up some very good points.. although we might not get the answer we wanted, but at least it was brought to the table.. So for that, Kudo Tom and V.
Speaking of both side, Is there a chance we can get a interview from maybe a side of internet broadcaster in the near future? I'd be great to hear what they have to say about it. 
Cheer!
P.S. it was a good interview, i'm sure a lot of people learnt plenty from it. sure we might not agree with some of the points there, it's never bad to be more informed.
Glad to find out why it was so one sided.
by mnogrady - 3/31/07 8:32 PM In reply to: Given enough rope...? by acedtect
I am glad to know you didn't purposely invite two people that were excellent representatives for the big music point of view. The more I listened the more stunned I was. The questions were excellent and not soft ball, but they carefully avoided answers that were anything but their own one-sided view.
It would be nice to hear someone who is balanced. I really want to hear both sides, not just one or the other sides opinion. Maybe you can find someone truly neutral to better explain this for those of us who want to understand the issues.
I do really like the Podcast and look forward to more interviews.
industry hacks
by minimalist - 3/31/07 8:58 PM In reply to: Given enough rope...? by acedtect
<i>One question I really wish I had thought of, was "Why do we need a knew agreement?" McDonough kept referring to the last agreement. Why do we need this knew one?
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I agree completely. What is so special or dangerous about webcasting that makes it subject to new rules? The "but artists deserve more money and this is our opportunity to get it" argument is a red herring. If you want to raise rates why didn't you do it across the board?
This whole thing wreaks of political favoritism to me and these guys came across, in this interview at least, as industry hacks.
Disappointing,..
minimalist
"Two wrongs don't make a right" ??? What a dipsh*t !
by loverocket - 4/3/07 6:58 PM In reply to: Barry Marshall and Walter McDonough interview by minimalistWhat a f*cking dipshit.
That quote makes him an instant ******.
Walter McDonough people like you are the reason popular music sux today.
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