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Community weekly poll: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac?

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 3/30/07 9:25 AM
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Post 76 of 180

staying with PC but going to Linux

by kahalstead - 3/31/07 11:18 AM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

eventually i think i will use Linux exclusively

when? that is the question, Linux still requires a lot of manipulation to run some things (online games for instance)

i put Linux on my in-laws computer (an emachine and the hard drive went south, could not reuse the 'restore' disk image) since they only use it for internet and email, they don't even notice the difference from M$ XP, hah.

Post 77 of 180

Mac of course

by Travis Ernst - 3/31/07 11:27 AM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I read through this and found a lot of people seem to go to the Church of Bill Gates. Hello, find reality. Will you admit your machines CRASH. oops, I mean, have an unexpected experience. With the Mac, I have NOT had a crash, or lockups for the last two years I owned THIS computer. I go back to 1985 on the Mac. I had a minor glitch on upgrading the last system. The CD (10.4.7 to 4.9) would not work; but I could download the upgrade from 10.4.7 to 10.4.9. So what. It was FREE from Apples site.

As for virii, the last time I EVER had any, I installed them myself to verify my software was working properly to detect it (and it did!). There are new Malware out for Windows EVERY WEEK. New trojans and other software to attack your [windows] computers through holes in IE (what was the count, 39 holes?) Excel, Power Point, Word. Now VISTA has been BANNED from Government computers due to the problems. And I hear you PRAISING Windows?

A good friend was thinking she would have to "learn" how to use the Mac. If you can use windows you already know the GUI enough to use the Mac. Just adapt to the single button mouse.

Mac is not just for Graphics and Music. A lot of companies have switched to steer clean from virus problems.

Post 78 of 180

Crash

by 757addict - 3/31/07 8:33 PM In reply to: Mac of course by Travis Ernst

Just so we can all set the record straight, what is defined as a crash? A BSoD, a virus, hardware frying, or a simple problem solved by a restart? (you guys can expand on this, these are the few things I can think of off the top of my head...) I, for one, see a crash as something that makes your computer totally unusable without major repair. To me, a program freezing up ONCE is not a crash, as a restart will solve the problem, as with most problems in Windows.

As for Malware, it'd be interesting to see what ppl have on their computers before they get it. I have several friends that get spyware simply because they don't run a firewall, antivirus, and antispyware programs. They complain that their computers are slow, so I tell them to run Spybot and AdAware, which averages ~120 problems. After its clean, I have them install AVG Free, Spybot, AdAware, and ZoneAlarm all freeware... ;) and they have no more problems. On my laptop, task manager reports that my antimalware programs eat up a whopping total of 8.76 MB of RAM (Spybot S&D Teatimer, 6,600 KB, WinPatrol, 960 KB, Windows Defender, 948 KB, and AVG Free 264 KB) so thus, I really can't see the point of saying that security programs make a huge diffenrence in performance. (Well, unless you're using Norton Internet Security, or equivalent, which are bloated and use way too much...)

"I read through this and found a lot of people seem to go to the Church of Bill Gates."

I don't know where you've been all your life, but there are probably a higher concentration of Fanboys on the Apple side of computing. ;)

"Now VISTA has been BANNED from Government computers due to the problems. And I hear you PRAISING Windows?"

Its funny how people twist this little fact and add words that were never said. If you actually read the article you would have found that the DOT banned Vista, Office 2007, and IE7 because there is no reason to upgrade.(*1) Windows XP has proven to be an excellent OS that is very stable if treated properly. The difference between XP and Vista is pretty noticeable, but not enough to warrant rushing out and upgrading, between DOT and FAA, 60 THOUSAND computers the day after these new products come out. (*2) The situation would be exactly the same if the DOT had Macs because they'd ban Leopard just as easily until they're sure it'll all work. Theres also software that isn't for sure compatible yet with Vista, so they'd have to keep XP even if they wanted to go to Vista (*3) Now you can go and bash MS for incompatiblity all you want, but I'm pretty sure that Vista had a VERY long development run, and I'm VERY sure that if these companies really wanted to, their programs would be Vista compatible. If MS waited for everything to work, Vista would have been delayed many years. I would strongly recommend that next time you get your facts straight from the source, and not your local Apple fan club. :D

"Just adapt to the single button mouse."

This makes me laugh alot. If you were to sell someone who ran windows a button with one mouse, half the OS would be useless. How much easier would it be to have another button instead of using the keyboard in sync with the mouse. Since humans have more than one finger, the ergonomics of multi button mice make much more sense. Another thing thats ridiculus is how Macs eject CD's. You could simply push a button on the drive to open it, or push a button on your keyboard or put the cd in the trash bin. Well, what happens if OSX decides it doesn't want to eject the cd, or even better, what happens if your keyboard stops working? Microsoft obviously has the upside here.

"A lot of companies have switched to steer clean from virus problems."

I would highly doubt that, unless you put forth evidence that this actually happens. It just makes no business sense to have something that only 5% of your customers use, and be incompatible with the OS that the VAST majority of businesses currently use.

(*1) In a memo to his staff, the DOT's CIO Daniel Mintz says he has placed "an indefinite moratorium" on the upgrades as "there appears to be no compelling technical or business case for upgrading to these new Microsoft software products. Furthermore, there appears to be specific reasons not to upgrade."

(*2) The DOT's ban on Vista, Internet Explorer 7, and Office 2007 applies to 15,000 computer users at DOT proper who are currently running the Windows XP Professional operating system. The memo indicates that a similar ban is in effect at the Federal Aviation Administration, which has 45,000 desktop users.

(*3) Compatibility with existing applications appears to be the Transportation Department's major concern. According to a separate memo, a number of key software applications and utilities in use in various branches of the department aren't Vista compatible. Among them are Aspen 2.8.1, ISS 2.11, ProVu 3.1.1, and Capri 6.5, according to a memo issued by staffers at the DOT's Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration.

Source: http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197700789

Post 79 of 180

Well...

by Ed-duh-win - 4/1/07 1:27 AM In reply to: Mac of course by Travis Ernst

I kind of go along with 757addict.

The only reason Windows users get virii (nice word I learned today ;)), trojan horses and spyware is because they are not taking enough precaution against them. Or are visiting inappropriate sites and then blaming it on Microsoft for allowing Windows to be exposed to those risks. I haven't had any form of virii, trojan horses or spyware in over three years - and I run Windows XP. I keep everything updated and my computer kept behind two firewalls. It doesn't slow down my PC much either. Like they say, its better to be safe than sorry.

Besides, you gotta be honest with yourself. The reality is nobody ever bothers making virii, trojan or spyware for Macs - you know why? Because Macs represent only 4-5% of worldwide Personal Computer use. (PC is such a misleading word...Mac is a PC too! Isn't it a home personal computer? Or is it used for "serious video conferencing"? [see Mac ads])

Now, in my book, crash is something that simply renders your computer unusuable. A minor "freeze" may describe what Windows users encounter once in a while - third party programs locking up due to user fault, overloading of the motherboard, misconfiguration, etc, etc. Now I believe you can't blame Microsoft for crashes caused by third party programs right...its like blaming Joe for car accident in which you were responsible for rear-ending another car. I've seen a lot of this in recent Vista bash - its the job of Microsoft to develop the OS. Its the job of third party makers to make sure its compatible.

Anyways, Mac OS X seems to lock up with its own tasks, built into OS X by default. Programs such as Safari, Finder, QuickTime, iTunes and the Dock have frozen quite a few times during my user of the Macs. This is the Operating System freezing due to poorly written codes. Contrast this to Windows freeze, which is usually caused by third party programs - meaning the programs are poorly written. I have yet to see Internet Explorer render my computer unusable (other than by means of malware, which I have never had, again because I take the precautions). I'm still waiting for Windows Explorer to render my PC useless. Sure, there are the occasional lockup, but they're usually solved by a reboot. Just recently I wrongly blamed Windows Exploer for a crash that occured because of Ad-Aware 2007 Beta.

Oh and government banned Vista because you have to first test the new softwares. It happens in my school too, they didn't upgrade to IE7 yet because they are currently testing. It doesn't mean that Vista is received poorly in the government. For this, I suggest you read over articles carefully, not just the title.

If they ban Excel, Word and PowerPoint, how would they create documents, spreadsheets and presentations? I don't hear the AppleWorks suite becoming the global benchmark. Neither is .cwk extension for AppleWorks a global standard. Therefore I do not believe your claim that "...Excel, Power Point, Word...has been BANNED from Government computers due to the problems."

Post 80 of 180

Error in question

by ellerman88 - 3/31/07 11:47 AM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Some of you have probably already pointed this out, but due to the wording of the question ("Are you considering..."), the replies "yes", and "maybe" are the exact same thing.

Post 81 of 180

PC technician mac user.

by Paradox33 - 3/31/07 12:13 PM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I have been a computer technician for the past 8 years and have seen almost every problem imaginable with windows machines especially since most of the work is school computers and big company computers i see lots and lots of dells and hp's. Then about 4 years ago given a lime green ibook by a friend, now 4 years later its still the same notebook i use everyday i have maxed it out and am running 10.4.9 and it has never crashed once. I cant tell you how much i love comming home after a hard day of working on crappy pc's to come home and ding turn on my apple and it just works. All my personal pc's collect dust. I am looking foward to a new macbook pro 17.

Post 82 of 180

No way, Jose'

by mewsic1 - 3/31/07 12:26 PM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Been there; done that; got the T-shirt. (Really! I have an "Educator's Advantage" T-shirt!)
I started with Apple computers MANY years ago. My first was an Apple IIe! For a long time, Macs were SO much more user-friendly; then, Windows came along!
Since the school district where I was teaching decided to go with PCs instead of Macs, I had to re-learn everything I knew about computers.
I have been able to watch PCs evolve from Win 3.1, through 95, 98, ME, and XP, to Vista, and I like each one more than those that have preceded it.

Post 83 of 180

Mac - the No's are filled with truly outdated mistakes

by Krioni - 3/31/07 5:47 PM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

It is amazing to read the ignorant mistaken beliefs that are keeping many Windows users from getting a better computer. Let me briefly (do your own research if you really want to know what's going on) point out the major false statements made here:

1. Macs cannot run Windows. FALSE. All of the Macs currently sold can run Windows, including Windows Vista. That's not true of many Dell/HP/whoever machines currently for sale. If you buy a Mac you can run ALL Windows software, along with the nothing-like-it-for-Windows Mac-only programs Apple and others make.

2. Macs cost more than comparable PCs. FALSE. True, Apple doesn't sell a dirt-cheap, piece-of-junk doorstop that runs poorly and is a pain to work with. They don't think their customers are dumb enough to save $100 and up with something almost worthless. The Mac mini is as little as US $599 - good luck buying a Dell or HP that includes wireless, Firewire, etc. at that price. You get an even better deal with Macs when you start comparing notebooks.

3. Quality is better with Macs. Of course Macs have problems. However, Consumer Reports (not a very Mac-friendly publication) consistently ranks Apple's customer service as better than everyone else.

4. No viruses. Not a few, not less than Windows, none. There have been a few weak proof-of-concept trojan horses or worms, but no Mac user has been hurt by anything. There are over 20 million Mac users - that's a lot of credit cards. The not-enough-to-be-worth-it argument is nonsense. It is theoretically possible to hack Macs though some of the security weaknesses found, but it is hard enough that no hacker has taken the significant amount of time and effort it would take to do it.

5. Macs have no software. See #1 - Macs can run ALL Windows software by running Windows full-speed (since they all use Intel chips now), and can run Linux natively. Oh, and they can run the highly-superior already (and about to pull farther ahead than the anemic Vista) Mac OS X.

6. A lot more, but go look it all up yourself - I'm not going to do your research for you.

Either inform yourself before you buy next time or don't give bad advice to others. Many people posting here clearly are factually incorrect. Not just have a different opinion, but have stated objective falsehoods.

Post 84 of 180

But why...

by Ed-duh-win - 4/1/07 1:05 AM In reply to: Mac - the No's are filled with truly outdated mistakes by Krioni

1. But if you're switching from Windows to Mac, you're trying to get away from Windows for good. So why would you run the dreaded Windows with your Mac? ;)

2. A 17" MacBook Pro costs in excess of $2600 CDN. A 17" Dell XPS Dual-Core costs around $2300-$2400.

3. Customer service, I can't comment on. It just varies with different stores - some Apple stores are notorious, others friendly. Same can be said with PC Stores as well.

4. There are more than a few viruses identified for Macs. Perhaps in the range of a few hundred, actually. Same goes for spywares and trojan horses, they do exist for Macs as well.

5. See #1.

6. Same answer...a lot more good for PCs compared to Macs, but research yourself.

Post 85 of 180

PC's are just better.

by jayhelman - 3/31/07 5:53 PM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I can't see any reason you would want to use a Mac.

Post 86 of 180

Mac vs PC

by kenneth_sellers - 3/31/07 7:49 PM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I've used both Macs and PCs for many years at home and work. At home I have a Dell desktop and PowerBook G4. Concerning viruses, spyware, etc., the Mac is far and away superior to the PC. I use ZoneAlarm, SpySweeper and AVG Anti-Virus on my PC with XP, and I still get spyware on my machine (especially when I use Internet Explorer -- Firefox is much safer). Plus, all this software slows down the machine. There may now be viruses created for OSX, but my PowerBook has NEVER had a spyware or virus problem, period, and I don't use anti-spyware software or a firewall. Both computers require regular OS & software updates, and both computers occasionally freeze up, although the Mac recovers more easily. Macs do have less software available than PCs, but that may not be an issue if you're using the computer primarily for graphics, photography or music. Also, there's no right-click on the Mac mouse. But OSX is a clean, elegant and quick OS. I haven't used Vista, so I can't comment on it, but it sounds like a lot of the features copy OSX. Neither machine is perfect, but using the Mac is more trouble-free.

Post 87 of 180

I Should Have Returned My eMac Straight Away

by ccmiii - 3/31/07 8:07 PM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Unless you want to spend hundreds of dollars upgrading all your software, you'll experience on a daily basis the quirks of Apple Computers software and operating system. And no, they're not cute or quaint quirks.
For example, try hitting Home or End or Esc and usually see ... nothing happen. Try importing your address book and then organizing it. Can't be done. Try finding a file you want to display or paste to a website. Good luck.
What Microsoft makes logical and simple, Macs don't seem to have a clue. Right click on something on a PC and 90% of the time the activity you want to do will be there. On a Mac, right click and there's little or often times, nothing. Think your mail appplication should have Next and Previous icons on the toolbar. Macs don't think you need these. Oh, and here's my favorite head banger. Try maximizing your window by clicking on the maximize button at the top of the screen and ... it doesn't! You have to grab the corner and drag it to enlarge it. I have to tell you, that gets old fast. And all the fancy icons (I hope Vista hasn't imitated this) may look real good when they're enlarged but view them at their proper 1/4 inch size and you often can't tell what the heck they are.
In their favor, Macs have better hardware aesthetic design than most PCs, my Mac sometimes doesn't want to wake up, just as sometimes my PC doesn't. The DVD drive on my Mac quit working after nine months where I've never had a problem with any PC I've owned.
If I hadn't exceeded Apple's return period, I'd have sent it back and used the money for a real computer. As it is I feel like I've wasted $1000 and the pain goes on every day.

Post 88 of 180

No more Microsoft dysfunctional software of any kind.

by polydoros - 3/31/07 10:58 PM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I certainly am going to switch from Windows PC to any Mac. Up to six years ago I used to have a little Performer Apple Macintosh. It only had had a hard disk of 1,5 GB storage and I upgraded its RUM to 64 MB. I never had had any problems with it. some years ago I made the mistake to buy a PC, only because my Performer could not work with OS X. I also wanted to try PCs with Microsoft software in a real work environment. This was my greatest mistake. I entered the trouble time of my life. A year ago I changed again to an all-powerful PC and the same great variety of problems kept on appearing.

Now I hear that Vista is the operating system to go for. But it only is a poor copy of Mac OS X. I can easily upgrade my PC to the Vista system, but I do not want any new problems. Enough is enough! No more Microsoft dysfunctional software of any kind. Let alone the spying over my clients' files that is endemic in my occupation. PCs may be fine for children and for businessmen concerned only about making money. But, they are not fit for serious service providers who have to be trusted and constantly available to their clients.

I need to work without haxters and unexpected computer break downs. For it, my next computer is going to be a hefty Apple Macintosh.

Post 89 of 180

Never...

by Ed-duh-win - 4/1/07 12:56 AM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Not in my life. Even if I was threatened with death.

Post 90 of 180

Why does Cnets keeps talking about Mac?

by Bro.Bob - 4/1/07 1:58 AM In reply to: Are you considering switching from a Windows PC to a Mac? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I have read poll after poll that shows windows based PC are used far more then any other computer! why is Cnet talking about Mac so much???

Even your own poll reflects this and Macs are not used but by few loyal users hmmmm what's that all about?
Linux is used even less then Macs and yet everyone seems to hate Microsoft across this board! hmmmm?

I thought Cnet was mostly for PC users seems like every time I log in here you are talking about Mac vs PC and Cnet knows good and well what the answer is going to be just take look at there own poll.

I have had both Macs and PCs they both crash and they both freeze up!!! speaking of crashing I just crashed my Brothers new quad G5 because he said it was crash proof that's what the sells person
told him its not!!!

Way back Macs where the only game in town for music,video,and graphics IBM could not see us doing that at Home!!!
then Bill Gates came along plus Intel and that all changed.
Boy I can remember some Mac heads saying they would never ever put Intel processor in there box, like the Wintell people did!
they are now that's how they can run both operating systems on one, making them more like a PC every day.
my Brother had lot trouble with his boot camp on his G5,so he is
full devoted Mac head now no windows for him! hmmm he don't talk about having both operating systems anymore.

I use windows XP PC with P4 and I do music,video and photos all the time with little or no problems.
I use photo shop with 8x10 graphics and it works for me just fine!

why I got PC its much less of expense, for my little home 4track recording studio with Adobe Audition and the PC works fine for what
I do with it.
I looked at pro.tools Mac system the pro.tools TM cost 10grand the
mac G5 about 3grand!
my PC WAS UNDER 1GRAND and works fine for what music and video I want record to make my own CDs and DVDs good enough to sell end of story.

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