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Community Newsletter: Q&A: Is the Mac right for me?

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 4/5/07 11:48 AM
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Post 76 of 356

Best of all worlds with a Mac

by URTido - 3/23/07 7:38 PM In reply to: Is the Mac right for me? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

In terms of pure hardware a mac is relatively close in price to an equally powerful PC (keep in mind that this knocks out the $500 PC's and most sub-$1000 laptops). Now that Apple has moved to Intel processors virtualization has become much easier, so if you did find a program you couldn't do without that was only available for Windows you could either install Windows on your Mac via Boot Camp (currently in beta, but will be a part of the soon to be released Mac OS 10.5) to literally turn your mac into a windows machine, or use parallels to run windows as a virtual OS (ie you run Windows or linux or whatever x86-based OS on top of Mac OS X). PCWorld has an article this month about choosing the right OS, and surprisingly Mac OSX was recommended over Windows Vista, XP, and Linux! ( http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,129284-page,1/article.html )

Most mac fanatics will say that Macs do graphics better than PC's. Speaking as a PC and Mac user, I think that at this point in time the playing field is more level than either side will admit. Photoshop works as well on a PC as it does on a Mac, although CS3 is supposed to be a big performance boost for Mac users (currently Photoshop CS2 only runs using Apple's Rosetta software on Intel Macs, sort of like running Windows on a Mac with Parallels). Both platforms have plenty of software available on the market for the semi-pro photographer. That being said, I still prefer the Mac. For Photo Software you would need to purchase there's Adobe's Lightroom, Apple's Aperature, and Foto Magico (for basic slide shows). Mac's come with iPhoto, which I like better than the Microsoft equivalent that I used before (I forget the name of the program because I only used it a few times and it was a while ago). Since there is this much software available for the Mac, I'm sure there is even more for the PC but it may be more difficult to sort out the good from the bad.

Behind the software you buy for your computer, there is the OS you have to navigate through to make things run. In my opinion there is much less of a learning curve to a Mac than there is to a PC, which is what I think is the big difference between the two these days. Apple tightly controls the hardware that it's software runs on, so things "just work." Meanwhile PC's are much more upgradable if you buy a desktop tower. However, how many users make many upgrades to their systems, other than additional ram? And if you need more hard drive space you can always get an external hard drive, which you probably should do anyways if you're seriously going to get into digital photography.

So if you want to open the innards of your computer, upgrade the motherboard, overclock the processor, etc, then get a PC.

If you just want to enjoy working on your computer to review and enhance your digital photos, then buy a Mac.


Oh, Microsoft Office is available for the Mac, and I prefer it over MS Office 2003 for PC's. When I look at the Mac version now, I see how they took ideas from that and used them in the new MS Office 2007 for PC's. A new version of MS Office that is a universal binary should be out sometime soon, which means a faster working version of Office on Macs.

Also, the last refresh of the iMac line was quite some time ago, so if you're willing to wait a month or two, there should be a new release of iMacs (faster processors, bigger hard drives, more ram standard, etc), and apple almost always keeps the same price points for their models; although the rummors I've read recently imply a major change for the current iMac form factor since there was very little change to the desktop design when Apple switched from PowerPC to Intel. Once you seriously get going with photography, definitely invest in a good RAM upgrade for whatever computer you purchase; it will make everything run more quickly.

I hope my advice has been helpful. Happy shopping.

Post 77 of 356

The Mac is designed to be taken apart!

by jla10021 - 3/30/07 6:13 PM In reply to: Best of all worlds with a Mac by URTido

OK, I'll come clean about my bias - I've been using Macs for about fifteen years for music and graphics and wouldn't swap for the world, although we do have a PC in a corner somewhere - bought to make sure websites work on both platforms but actually it just sits there gathering dust. I teach in a high school Mac lab (a real treat in Britain!) but I sometimes also cover in the PC lab and have used both platforms.

The difference I notice is that my friends who use PCs all seem to hate using the computer and see it as WORK. Those of us who use Macs on the whole have a problem switching it off and doing anything else (it's now 2.01am and I'm not done yet!).

The main reason I am adding to this debate is that I'm amazed anyone would think the inside of a Mac is not to be tampered with. I love pulling my Macs apart and tinkering with the contents (and I'm a fifty year old woman, not some teenage male nerd!). I've upgraded everything from an all in one beige box to a laptop, but the easiest to upgrade are the desktops.

You must ask a sales rep how difficult it is to upgrade a Mac Pro with an extra hard drive.

I asked an assistant in John Lewis this question and he pulled the side down and showed me. You don't even have to plug it in any more. Just place the drive in a drawer and close it. Why would anyone think you can't tinker with the inside of a Mac? The only thing that would stop me is the danger of invalidating my guarantee. Otherwise I'd never even think of getting someone to install new internal components for me. The beautiful design is far more than skin deep, you know!

Post 78 of 356

No guns required

by ehymel - 3/23/07 7:41 PM In reply to: Is the Mac right for me? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Chaz, I am a little confused by your question - photography (and I assume you mean digital photography) doesn't necessarily need any heavy duty computer equipment. If you're planning to extensively edit and render your photographs, that picture would change, but that isn't photography, it is computer graphics.

For photography by itself, you'll need a good digital camera - as I am a former professional analog photographer with Nikon 35mm equipment, I ended up buying two reconditioned Nikon D50s, which will take the Nikon and Nikon compatible lenses I already have. But if you intend to sell very high quality photography (think National Geographic, or large portraits) you will at the very minimum need good 35 mm SLR equipment as well, and a good film scanner. A professional size scan from a 35mm slide (my favourite, but there are as many opinions as there are pros) will give you the equivalent of 56 to 84 megapixels, there is very simply no comparison with digital cameras there. I shoot digital and film side-by-side, you don't want to shoot that view that would look great as a centerfold, if only you had more than 6 megapixels.

I have throughout my IT career seen graphics artists with dedicated Macs, as well as dedicated PCs, both platforms can be equipped to do pretty much the same. But you will need to start with getting your camera equipment together, and, if you're really serious, a couple of scanners (you don't want to have a tomorrow morning deliverable and a broken scanner). Then, you're going to start learning about colour correction, film speed, and the like, stuff we learned the hard way in the darkroom, and from our art directors and our lab technicians. To be honest, I do everything I need to do on a couple of laptops, to process photographs you need tons of memory and a large hard disk, I like being able to sit in my hotel room, after a day's shooting, and see what I need to reshoot before I travel on. It helps if you can show your client more or less right there what you're workong on, and laptops are invaluable there, too. Here again, don't spend all your money on a single computer, because a pro can deliver even if his hard disk breaks, and a pro has duplicates of all his/her shots immediately available. If you do decide you want to do the graphics thing, come back and ask your question again. And, uh, good luck - I have never found photography to be a major money maker, the cost of professional equipment is just too horrendous, but it is certainly fun, and it can pay for itself. Then again, you could be the next Avedon, stranger things have happened.

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PC-Mac

by jakeisaround - 3/23/07 7:43 PM In reply to: Is the Mac right for me? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

There is abolutely no reason to use a Mac for photography unless you want to be in the "I need to be different" 5% of the world. They are more expensive, slow, and all software is far more expensive than the same product on a PC. Windows Xp & Vista are quite reliable. It sounds like you have fallen in with a Mac lover or a commisioned sales person. The old push points about Windows crashes and "easier to use" have long passed into oblivion The Mac might also disappear as Apple becomes more of a media company and concentrates on its real money making business the iPod and all of it's cousins, accesories, etc. Stick with your PC and get a good all around photo processing and organizing piece of software such as Adobe Photoshop Elements 5.0, which is easily the best value on the market especially for someone just getting his feet wet. Make sure your video output is pretty good quality. You did not mention video and that's a much more complex subject.

Post 80 of 356

Not again!!!

by z05m - 3/23/07 7:59 PM In reply to: PC-Mac by jakeisaround

Windoze just crashed on me again, I can't take it anymore. I'm tired of this crap. I'm buying a Mac, period!!!

Post 81 of 356

False

by danielwsmithee - 3/30/07 4:09 PM In reply to: PC-Mac by jakeisaround

more expensive - False - Similarly equipped PC to a Mac, the Mac is often cheaper. However Macs are not cheap, they just don't make a cheap computer, no celerons etc.

slow - False - The same hardware used on high end PCs are used on a Macs. So if a Mac is slow so are most high end PCs. The 24" inch iMac is an awesome machine. I own the Core Duo 20" and it flies the new 24" is even faster.

software is far more expensive - False - Photoshop which will likely be the main application he cares about is the exact same price. About three years ago you had to pay about $10 extra on some software, tax software etc to get it for Mac. Now days they ship the Mac and PC software on the same disk. For photography I would argue their is more photography software. iPhoto (free) is a great companion for photoshop, and aperture is even better. About the only photo application on PCs that is not available on a Mac is Paint :)

Post 82 of 356

To iMac or not to iMac

by thespiate - 3/23/07 7:59 PM In reply to: Is the Mac right for me? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Hey guys, I read a lot here but I don't usually post, because I don't know that much. However, that having been said, I do know a little about this subject.

I used to work in Hollywood and I can tell you all one thing: When it comes to offices, it's the PC. When it comes to creating, all the desks in production were covered my Macs.

That's all, just an observation of how the two types are used...simple.

Thespiate

Post 83 of 356

Conversion to iMac

by dohearne - 3/23/07 8:13 PM In reply to: Is the Mac right for me? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I switched to an iMac last summer, primarily for handling photos. The system has been extremely stable and I have been more than satisfied. I am sure that some PC's can approach the speed performance of an iMac, but I have found using the Mac to be more intuitive and easy to use than any PC. The iLife software package is great for a hobbyist and simple web publishing is a snap. Just recognize that if you are a professional photographer you will need additional software to process your photos.

Post 84 of 356

Get A MAC

by pearlyvictoria - 3/23/07 8:23 PM In reply to: Is the Mac right for me? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

The MAC guys (or ladies) aren't giving you the okie-doke about how good MACs are for imaging. I have been using a G-4 ever since they came out. As a photographer, I have at least 3000 photos stored on my harddrives with everyone of them accessible with no problem.

I am not agains PCs as I have two, one of which has no more room on it because the hard drive is full! But when I was using them for imaging there were several times when photos copied from the harddrive onto a disc would not be usable.

The MAC is stable and comes with loads of programs that are geared toward high end imaging. Take Bridge for instance. Everyone of your photos and image folders show up whether you access it from Photoshop or separately. Not only can you view but you can process from there. Export entire files as jpegs. Work on your RAW files, rename, view as film strip, one at a time or show all.

The MAC is an imaging workhorse. It is the choice of professionals. It is just right for the novice or power user. One of the things that turned people off from MACS is that there were not a lot of programs made for them in the beginning. I know I was put off because of the availability of affordable software I was used to would not work on a MAC. However, when I changed over none of that was given a second thought. Probably because the work I was doing had no use for them. I had everything I needed to produce high-end imaging.

As for programs like Microsoft Office Suite, you probably know that the newer MACS are intel and using Word and the other programs is no different on a MAC. In fact, using it on my G-4 is no problem.

Another outstanding feature is that if you no longer want a program or file all you have to do is drag it to the trash and it is gone. Further, when I was using a PC I would frequently have to reboot when working on large images like billboards because it played heavily on the memory. Now, I leave my MAC running all the time with tons of files open, billboards and all and never have to shut down.

I know this post is not as technical as some can make it. However, it is written to show how I use one.

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Mac vs. PC

by cdhanks - 3/23/07 8:52 PM In reply to: Is the Mac right for me? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I have been a PC user since CPM days, (the late 70's for you youngsters) but have grown weary for all the problems. I do lots of photo editing and broke down and bought a 20" iMac. In the past 4 weeks since I bought it, there have been 5 (FIVE) crashes or lockups, and my Dell PC has not crashed or locked up a single time in that period. Go figure.

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My Mac Experience

by GFW - 3/23/07 9:29 PM In reply to: Is the Mac right for me? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Just this past week, I found a contaminated file on my external hard drive. When I tried to burn it to a DVD, my Mac completely froze up, and I was forced to reboot it. It took a while to locate the file by trial and error, and once I trashed it, I had no further problems.

What's this got to do with a PC versus Mac, you say?

Well, I am using an old blue and white Mac tower, made in 1999 - 8 years ago - and upgraded in speed from 300 to 900 Mhz. Since I put MacOSX onto it about two years ago, this is the FIRST time in the two years it has crashed and needed re-booting, although I leave it on (asleep) all the time.

Before I retired in 2004, my office PC laptop crashed about once a week.

For photos and movies, it is getting slow, as the G3 processor is not optimized for that kind of work. The newer Macs would likely operate about 10 times faster at least. However, I have used it to produce movies up to 20 minutes in length.

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PC VS. MAC.......WELL NOT REALLY...

by revilla7548 - 3/23/07 10:10 PM In reply to: Is the Mac right for me? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Without getting into a PC VS. Mac war, let me give you my opinion, and a little facts i might know....

There are two differences between a PC and a Mac...it really depends on what you want to do. Just keep in mind Software for the PC is somewhat cheaper than the Mac Versions. Also upgrades for your computer are easier to find and cheaper than those for Mac, you will also be able to find more peripherals and products that may help you in the Photography industry. Also PC's Will give you more expansion space, and now with the new technology's PCs are offering like 64-bit and Dual core, it make a big difference in the time it takes your computer to render a high def-picture or movie. I would say that if you are looking for a computer that will give you a few years of good service, and that will be able to handle Both Software and Hardware Upgrades really easily, i would recommend a PC.

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64-bit and Dual Core

by URTido - 3/24/07 4:06 PM In reply to: PC VS. MAC.......WELL NOT REALLY... by revilla7548

All current Mac's, except for the very bottom Mac mini, use a Dual Core Intel Processor. The very same dual core Intel processor is found in new PC's, so there isn't any difference between PC's and Macs in that respect. The exception is the Mac Pro, which uses up to 2 dual core Intel Xeon processors... the processors usually found in PC servers.

Since the Mac's use a 64-bit processor now, all it would take for the future is 64-bit software, which I haven't seen that much of for PC's. There's a 64-bit version of Windows, but I haven't seen other 64-bit software packages for a Windows machine running the 64-bit OS.

Lastly, although there may be more software for PC's since they're more prevalent, I think that for semi-pro photography software and hardware there is as much, if not more, for a mac.

Post 89 of 356

depend your experience

by perceptiveone - 3/23/07 11:01 PM In reply to: Is the Mac right for me? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

If your thinking of switching to an Imac your probably a good candidate.
Average consumers make the O/S switch easily. The Limited upgrade
path doesnt bother them (as most people dont upgrade past the initial purchase).
And the lack of spyware/virus are a welcome pleasure. If you think learning an o/s
is an adventure then maybe bobs your uncle.
It's when you want to delve below the surface that can prove frustrating.
This can be said of moving to any new o/s vista or linux or mac. Some relish the challenge some dont.
Dumping the one button mouse and buying a two button/scroll wheel can ease the
transistion.

Post 90 of 356

Two Button Mouse?

by danielwsmithee - 3/30/07 3:56 PM In reply to: depend your experience by perceptiveone

Man have some people been asleep for the last two years. Apple has been selling the mighty mouse for about that long as a default.

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