Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
Yeah the "truth hurts".
by rosseverhard2 - 3/16/07 10:10 AM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidYeah the "truth hurts".
Do I blame Microsoft, yes but,,,, Microsoft is just part of the “Racket”.
Vista, no I am not going to Vista. Not anytime soon if ever. I started with Windows 3.1
many computers ago. Before that it was a Commodore 128 for making computer home
video titles and video labels. The machine I am using now has XP. (Wife’s bare bone
computer.)
My wife has told me for many years “it is all a racket”.
Buy this new computer, this new add-on card and this new software and be happy ever
after.
Not the way it has worked for me. The most expensive computer was the SCSI (about 3
computers ago) with Windows 98 SE and a Miro DC30 card for video.
Next was a Windows 2000 machine with a DV500 DVD card and Adobe Premiere 6.0.
That WAS a good computer. About as close to what I ever wanted that I could have been
satisfied with it from now on.
Windows service pack 4 messed it up big time. The Co. that made the DV 500 card and
Adobe were still on fair terms and they finally came up with software that worked for
awhile. A few more Windows patches and it killed the computer again. Today, the DV
500 board has to be removed from the computer so it will load Windows 2000. No
DV500 board --- I don’t need the #$%^ computer. Adobe and the makers of the DV500
card apparently are no longer working together. The software currently available for
download crashes the machine. The local computer repair shop guy grins from ear to ear
when he sees me coming. $$$$$$
I have had to keep the old SCSI computer with Windows 98 SE for a program that will
let me use 3DS files for 3D video titles made from 3D models that I have modeled in
AutoCAD. It locks up XP and would not run on Windows 2000. It is a unique program,
only a few were ever made before the Co. went out of business.
I am told that had I been using a Mac that this would not have happened. I would still be
able to use software from earlier machines in the later Mac machines. My son, daughter
in law, my boss, and one friend have all gone Mac, I may be next. I am on the fence.
By the way, I now agree with my wife, “it is a racket”. Microsoft is a part of that racket,
the main part, the head honcho of it.
Just don’t tell her,,, I agree that she was right all along.
Ross
Microsoft Vista -Incompatibility- who's mistake is it?
by pchew1954 - 3/17/07 7:28 PM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidGuys and Gals - its our money we're forking out to buy a "new" product that claims to be able to do .... well doesnt matter how much they claim it'll do - if it aint compatible , it aint gonna do nothing ! Right?
So why are we having to go find another driver, when Microsoft brought out this new - all singing all dancing piece of #?*~!?
Consider some real life ownership experiences:-
You own a car or a bike... you fill it up with fuel everyday ... you rely on the fuel to work each time you pay cash at the gas station... tomorrow some genius called Gates opens up another chain of fuel stations (called VISTA) and claims it'll make your investment(the car!) go faster... and claims it'll do a bit of "this" and a bit of "that"... so muggins pays up real quick, fills up his tank with this new spangled fuel and turns the ignition key... the car/bike shoots off loudly a spurt of smoke and the vehicle just stands there with the motor/engine spluttering and puffing out loads of smoke... - so what do you do?
Do you complain to the car manufacturer that the car doesnt supply (free of charge of course! some new adaptor to work with the new fuel? - ha ha, get real !!)
Or maybe you think the tyre manufacturer has to also redesign some magical adaptor?
- or maybe there's something else wrong with the windscreen wipers ...
just because you decided it's a great idea to trust the fuel manufacturer - that's the guy called "gates" and his claims was it'll make your trusted car/motor vehicle ...
"go faster"...
and he also writes in there somewhere, a disclaimer that his "fuel" (software - in your case - IT nerds!)is not responsible for any incompatibility problems... should your vehicle suddenly start to malfunction...
oh yes - would you acccept the new fuel, and say that your Viper/Mustang/Toyota Yarris/Buick - whatever !... aint working cause your car manufacturer hasnt kept up with developing an adaptor to ensure when the new fuel is launched, we're all gonna suddenly find walking is a great past time to get yourself to work ...
oh and yes! the breakdown service aint gonna believe it's the car manufacturers' fault either...
so stop looking for praise and excuses ... when a new service or product (in this case Operating System / in the case of the car - the new fuel !
- get the similarity? boys & girls !? huh .. )
Its the manufacturer's responsibility to ensure that their "new" product ( that's VISTA - in case you havent been paying attention) WILL be compatible with "MY" car, and "YOUR" precious investment, and not any other way around. It also doesnt matter how long it takes to develop the adaptors, its still Microsoft's responsibility to work with the other providers, "IF" Microsoft values their "support"... so
Gates should get his finger out of the proverbial luxury of complacency and start working with the rest of the computing industry - yes there are many other providers - not just Microsoft !, BEFORE he launches yet another falsely claimed product, and decides ... "sod it, I dont care if the rest of the IT world wants to be on time... he doesnt have the choice... cause his product IS CREATING the problems, if my hardware suddenly experiences incompatibility problems
- YES I do find the maker of VISTA responsible for my equipment if it suddenly malfunctions after installing such a product.
And YES I DO EXPECT the makers of VISTA to provide the required range of adpators with my valueable purchase
IF HE WANTS to make any claims that VISTA will work with my equipment... if he doesnt make that claim - then my conclusion is his new star spangled product (VISTA) - simply ISNT READY for general distribution... and like any new fuel introduced to the world of ever decreasing natural resources, such new products may not make universal compatibility claims
nor be allowed to be released, without some seriously loud and bold warning statements on the outside of the packaging
- just like whats on the packaging of cigarettes these days - or have you not noticed the large & bold warnings on every packet of ciggies - it says
"SMOKING KILLS "
- why? because that's a truthful, and legally binding statement, because had these statements been around a lot earlier many parents and grandparents would have lived a heck of a lot longer !
That was cancer and cigarettes, ...
this (Vista) is purchased with my money
You guys ! how easilly you all accept the irresponsible attitude Microsoft takes on working out their so called "operating system" enhancements ! -
Oh Yes - if enhancing my O.S. means having to guess, and wait for my trusty PC to suddenly stop working - for any reason at all after installing VISTA - is both an indicator of a manufacturer's disregard for Industry Compliance, as well as a damning symptom of our buyers' ignorance
- that we are so willing to part with our hard earned cash - to believe everything that Microsoft claims on their box !
Well - who is gonna pay for our lost time in trying to find the (new drivers)solutions to these "software related consequential losses" ? - Insurance companies
- WAKE UP !!
- how about selling to all PC users, insurance policies protecting us against O.S. manufacturer's damaging products and services...
you do sell Insurance against "consequential loss for motor vehicles/drivers" - dont you?
Just spare a moment to consider these similarities - OK, and stop defending Microsoft
- I somehow suspect some of you guys who wrote in to support Microsoft, I reckon I can count at least three of you guys as Microsoft employees
- anyone in the discussion thread care to put their hands up and say who you work for ? that'll make interesting reading ? heh !
PS
I DONT work for ANY software or hardware IT manufacturer, I am a computer user, and I do drive a car & a motorcycle also... so I do know the experiences of "incompatibility" - AND I dont want to be forever doing the searching for newer drivers,
- it's the maker of the next product to do THAT work
... heh - it's MY MONEY, and if Microsoft wants my support , Gates better realise what damage he's doing to our confidence, - it's NOT plain sailing BILL !
Are You Kidding?
by Sheepish12 - 3/18/07 4:34 PM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidYou said this has never happened to other operating systems. This happens every time a new os comes out. Anyone remember Windows 95? Now you also said Microsoft makes it difficult for other people to write compatible software. I don't know what the **** os you're using, but this has been Microsoft's strength since it's beginning. That is why everyone started using Microsoft. If you want to talk about an os you cant write drivers for talk about OS X.
Vista can't do what XP SP2 can,progress?
by bsbllfn1025 - 3/20/07 10:16 AM In reply to: (NT) I agree 100% Good post after the negatives! by stonehkmI bought Vista Home Premium - mistake! Printer, Scanner and three apps don't work. I now banished Vista to a separate HD and it must wait for SP1 or 2. I'll be darned if I am going to spend more money on hardware and software. XP recognised all the above and ran them fine. No logic can claim that Vista is progress. As Microsoft is busy getting the NEXT version (Vienna?) I suspect that, like ME, is just a stopgap and revenue source until the real update to XP is ready.
Totally agree, John
by photoham - 2/12/07 4:49 PM In reply to: Totally agree, John by mopscare42All Microsoft had to do was to be honest. The Vista Advisor steered many people toward an ill-advised upgrade. What people really needed was a fair analysis of their computer systems. Instead, Microsoft’s Vista Advisor left out valuable information in the hopes that people would upgrade, encounter various problems and disgruntled consumers would do all of the work effecting change. It’s amazing how we went from the simplicity promised in XP back to the days of DOS where you needed to be a computer tech just to print or to hear music.
That may be true
by mopscare42 - 2/12/07 5:25 PM In reply to: Totally agree, John by photohamI am sure that some people went by what the advisor told them and installed Vista.
I for one checked on the Microsoft website to see what Vista required hardware wise to make sure before I installed the program that my computer could handle it.
I used the advisor to check for conflicts with software installed and it told me I had to remove Nero 7 ultra and Norton Internet security 2007 before installing Vista, which I did then downloaded the updates off the vendors web site.
I did have a problem with opening transferred files with Office 2003, so I ended up buying office 2007 which was the only extra expense. That came with a free 1gig PNY thumb drive at Staples so even that didn't sting as bad.
I have had a good experience with the install and thanks to John I was able to download all the drivers I needed except the scanner which leads us back to HPs problem.
I know I had more trouble when I upgraded to XP than I did upgrading to Vista.
not me--I had way more issues upgrading to Vista
by xiape - 3/20/07 2:12 AM In reply to: That may be true by mopscare42My subject pretty much says it all. When I upgraded to XP, I had literally zero problems in terms of conflicts. This isn't to say that conflicts didn't exist; indeed they did exist. However, I was able to immediately resolve all conflicts in XP either with updates through the vendors themselves or with updates/enhancements provided by Microsoft by the time I went to XP, with was about 3-6 months after XP released (I still had it before my office did, which meant that I was the guy everyone turned to when the office upgraded to XP Pro).
To me, perhaps the most damning piece of the upgrade puzzle with regard to Vista is the issue with hardware incompatibilities and the lack of full functionality in Vista when you have a computer that is not more than a year old. The fact that Microsoft limits functionality based on hardware configurations and then doesn't plan for ways around that (like using virtual RAM or allowing the reallocation of computer RAM to augment graphics card RAM so that things like Aero and the mini "previews" that should appear when you hold your mouse pointer over a minimized program's button on the taskbar will work as advertised. Basically, this whole upgrade is not only a financial windfall for Microsoft, but it's also a boon to the suppliers of PCs and their peripherals. For desktops, people are doubtless going to need to buy upgraded graphics cards at the very least, new motherboards at the most. For laptops the issue is worse because there really isn't any way to upgrade the components that need to be upgraded in order for Vista to have full functionality. You're either stuck with the most basic version of Vista, or you're going to have to go out and buy a brand new laptop that is going to be configured to give you what you want out of Vista. Frankly, I find that incredibly pathetic.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: shell out the dough for a Mac with at least 250GB on the hard drive--not only will you get everything the Mac OS X has to offer (which, by the way, is the inspiration for Vista), but you'll also get the benefit of having a second computer <i>when you install your copy of XP and run it right on your Macintosh computer!</i>
Yes, that's right; you can install and run XP on your Mac, though you'll need some disk space to do it. You can actually run XP in a separate partition (you'll need to restart and boot as an XP machine using this configuration), or there is another way you can actually "run" XP right from within the Mac OS, allowing you to "toggle" between the two without having to reboot. I'm not yet sure if you will be able to do the same with Vista, but my gut reaction to that question would be "Why not?" I'm sure we'll be finding out very shortly whether or not the Mac/Vista combination on one machine is possible.
This is the beauty of the new Intel-based Macs--you essentially get two computers in one, which makes sense with the price you pay for a decent Mac (an issue I still have with Apple, but after having so many problems with PCs having catastrophic failures over the last 18 months, the $3000 I shelled out for a new MacBook Pro and a couple of additional programs as well as the extended warranty/service program from Apple was well worth it).
Given this, I really see no reason to ever buy another PC, not when you can buy a machine that is far more reliable and that has an OS that actually functions right out of the box with everything it promises (which includes true plug-n-play capability with every peripheral I've encountered--I don't even need to use the software that came with my digital camera; I just plug my camera into my Mac and it does everything for me!).
PC Upgrade
by mindyw01 - 3/14/07 4:40 PM In reply to: Totally agree, John by photohamI purchased an HP Pavillion last September that had the little Vista compatible sticker on the front...what a joke! My 1G of memory is barely enough and I don't have a video card so I can't use any of Aero. When investigating various Vista compatible video cards for my PCI express slot, I discovered that my 300 watt power supply is not up to the task. I have a 600 watt power supply on the way, as well as a ATI Radeon x1959xt video card. I should also receive any day 3G of memory which will replace my 1GB. My sound card is not compatible with my 5.1 surround speakers (even with the recently downloaded drivers) so I will have to buy one of those when it becomes available. My machine that I considered a bargain to be Vista compatible at 600$ is now receiving more than that amount of money in upgrades. I also purchased office 2007 the same day and it is completely incompatible with Norton Internet security. After speaking with Symantec, I downloaded a patch that they assured me would "fix the problem" I was never able to startup my machine again. My boyfriend had to purchase an external drive to recover my files from my hard drive and then he wiped my machine and started over. Until all my upgrades get here my dual core processor pc is running as slow as mud and if I should happen to have a power point open and Word while transcribing my recorded lectures from class,well you can just forget about it. I love what I've seen of Vista so far, but I agree that the Upgrade Advisor was not really helpful. I believe that once I installed Vista my machine only rated a 2.7!
Totally agree, John by photoham
by pauagecko - 3/14/07 4:59 PM In reply to: PC Upgrade by mindyw01All I can say to anyone and everyone that wants to upgrade to VISTA
Make sure your hardware is totally compatible - I personally would not even attempt to upgrade yet - wait a few months for Microsoft and all the vendors to sort out all the bugs and the third party drivers. Personally I bought a G5 iMac, the real Mac system and not the Intel based system - Im running Tiger OS X 10.4.8 - I make sure all my updates are regularly done and I dont even have any Internet Security or Anti-Virus application runnning on it - Dont need to - its UNIX BASED and there aint no way in hell I'm going to get hacked, get a virus, and most of all have to put up with all the red tape from Microsoft and the vendors...
Have a look at all the Apple adverts online and on your tv - has Microsoft had an answer to all those adverts.. no no no because they know Mac's are superior to Windows Systems...
VIASTA PROBLEMS
by jkha - 3/14/07 5:37 PM In reply to: Totally agree, John by photoham by pauageckoMyself i think i am just going to stay away from viasta all the way around just stick with old faithful windows xp home an the IE 7
Vista Problems
by jfranc - 3/14/07 5:44 PM In reply to: VIASTA PROBLEMS by jkhaI seem to recall how fantastic it was when XP was released. I seem to recall that XP had all the ME drivers and a whole lot more, which made moving from ME to XP really easy. So why aren't all the XP drivers embedded and compatible in Vista?? Why couldn't the XP driver database be included in Vista, or am I missing a fundamental point somewhere along the line!. It just seems so logical to me.
Hit the nail on the head
by Insight Driver - 3/14/07 7:29 PM In reply to: Vista Problems by jfrancA driver is a software program that tells the OS what the hardware is. Why did Microsoft have to change the driver model? It has nothing to do with computer security as far as I know. I actually think it is deliberate on Microsoft to change it just so it's proprietary. Look what they did with Java (remember write once, run everywhere?). Microsoft made their own PROPRIETARY changes to Java, essentially making a Windows version that would not run on other architectures. There is no technical reason why a printer driver would have to be changed since program compatibility is supposed to be better in Vista. Did the printer commands change?
Don't get me started. There is not technological excuse for having to write a Vista-specific driver only that Microsoft wants it to be proprietary.
The only way I would end up using VISTA
by Anysia - 3/14/07 8:08 PM In reply to: Vista Problems by jfrancis pre-installed on a brand spanking new system. My two laptops are 1 and 4 years old. I have some older 95 and 98 software that I tweaked to be able to use it with XP, that I know will probably not run under Vista. I also run a 95/98 "legacy" machine for progams that don't run under XP. Since for me they are "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" category, I saw no need to upgrade them.
I am sure, that with a brand new system, all the drivers and software on the machine will work fine, but installing Vista upgrade on my current machines? I'm not going to chance it. "If it ain't broke..."
Bought a new HP machine pre-loaded with Vista.
by donwillson - 3/14/07 9:09 PM In reply to: The only way I would end up using VISTA by AnysiaMost of my software that ran OK on XP won't run on Vista. Finally installed a second hard drive, loaded XP Pro on it, and I dual-boot either Vista for its graphics capability or XP so I can continue to manage my two businesses. Don't care whose fault it is! My programs should run in compatability mode!
Yes
by Anysia - 3/14/07 9:13 PM In reply to: Bought a new HP machine pre-loaded with Vista. by donwillsonBut as you said you installed software that ran on XP and it wouldn't run on Vista. I would only be getting Vista 'approved' software, and personally, getting new Vista versions of all the perfectly good working software I have would be too danged expensive.
So as it stands now, I will keep my two XP machines just the way they are.
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