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Community Newsletter: Q&A: Is peer-to-peer software such as LimeWire legal and safe to use?
- 3/23/07 12:14 PM
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by adamlau - 3/17/07 3:03 AM In reply to: Is peer-to-peer software such as LimeWire legal and safe to use? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
i have played guitar for over ten years. when i was younger i would buy tapes and cds just so i could get a hold of one song that was required to play in the studio.
i woudl be a totol madman if i bounced up to HMV and parted about 16 pound to puchase a cd, just to learn one song.
the record compnaies themselves have swindeld artists for decades, given them bad recored deals.
my adivce is this: do what YOU think is right, it it works for you, do it, if not, dont.
after the many years of buying over priced CDs, and only being offered 1 pound for them in second hand shops, i feel like a right mug being ripped off. i dont earn 60 grand a year, so im not paying high prices for music just so some record company csan pay there staff a wages i coudl never aspire too, let along, fund a lifestyle for the artits to go to cociane partys every night.
P2P sharing, I mean STEALING!
by stratcat2000 - 3/17/07 3:24 AM In reply to: Is peer-to-peer software such as LimeWire legal and safe to use? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
The basic lowdown is this:
An artist creates music for YOU to enjoy (hopefully). If nobody pays for this then nobody will bother to do this anymore because you're stealing, robbing, mugging him/her. You might as well take a gun out into the street and hold someone up because it's the SAME THING. If you don't like guns, you could always break into someone's house and steal their jewelry. SAME THING!
Then what? You're faced to create your OWN music. That's a great idea until some little fu**er takes it and shares it with the world for NOTHING. Then YOU'LL be the one who's pi**ed!
Sure it's legal, but so are a lot of things that just aren't right but that's a morality issue. Safe, no. Can be, if you're one of the lucky ones.
As to the guy in the cover band who wants to download stuff so his band can learn the songs:
1: BUY it. You're in a COVER band! You know, probably the only "musician" (I use that term loosely to describe someone who makes a living out of using other people's material) who actually makes any money playing music in the first place! You can afford it.
2: Are you a musician? You call someone who wants to protect their own material "greedy"? When was the last time you sat down, created a piece of music from your own true life experiences, opened you heart up, shared it with the world, possibly left yourself feeling extremely vulnerable and had the thing stolen? You might have labored for a couple of years to get it "just right".
I sell my CDs at my own gigs all over the world. EVERY night someone will say "I'll take that one and my friend here will take the other one". Yeah, right. You'll pirate for each other. I'll lose at least 50% of sales, royalties and travel around the world uncomfortably on some awful airline, sleeping in strange beds every night, leaving my family behind to follow a dream and try to make a buck to survive and share my music, not for free, though!
I'm not whinging. I love what I do, but get really annoyed by ignorance. It's not always malicious but think about it before you go ripping off the music world.
Lee...
by wouldhe2 - 3/17/07 10:43 AM In reply to: P2P sharing, I mean STEALING! by stratcat2000If I buy a car from Ford, am I not allowed to do what I want to it? After all, they designed, and built it and sold it to me. Under your premise, Ford should have say over what I do with my car. I shouldn't be allowed to modify it or sell it without Fords permission and if I do Ford will want some compensation.
As a musician I would be elated that people like my song(s) enough to copy them and distribute them. The music and film industry is the only industry that has this mindset. Also, to go out nad buy the CD is not the answer. I would probably not buy the CD for just the one song thus resulting in sales loss anyway.
The Ford analogy flaw...
by David Eaton Productions - 3/17/07 12:29 PM In reply to: Lee... by wouldhe2When you buy a car from Ford, you are purchasing that specific car - not the rights to the design (worth way more money than you pay for the car), nor a license to manufacture your own from the design. You can modify, destroy, enhance that car in any way you want.
If you use that car as a 'blueprint' to make identical cars, and sell or offer them for free to the public, you are 'stealing' Ford's design and therefore violating Ford's Intellectual Property rights, which are protected via Copyright, Patent, and Trademark laws.
If on the other hand, you sit down and design the exact same car with no knowledge of Ford's design, that is perfectly legal. But few have that talent.
The problem in the music industry is, modern computers, internet and burners, are have put Ford's entire factory in the hands of the common computer user. All that is needed is a good design.
The intenet, and P2P networks, give those 'factories' access to the Research & Development results. The combination of the two is hard to resist. But, although you own the records you purchase, you do not own the right to make 'copies' of that record, or allow others - even if there is no transaction of money.
i dunno..............
by D3V1ANT 1 - 3/22/07 3:52 PM In reply to: P2P sharing, I mean STEALING! by stratcat2000you really believe that the dude whos frien bought a cd,would have bought both if it werent for pirating?c'mon,now.ive been to enough shows where after paying for a 20$ cover,3-4-5(ect...)overpriced beers(you get a cut of the door,and the alcohol right?),maybe 5$on coa tcheck.i only have enough $ for 1 20$ cd,an i cant even get a 50$ tee shirt.so ive bought the one my friend diddnt get so we have both.did i copy them?sometimes.but sometimes it wasnt worth it,or we just traded bak & forth.whatever,running a buissness sux at times,y'know?,deal wit it......peace
Guidance I gave to my son 12 years ago
by TonyGore - 3/17/07 3:58 AM In reply to: Is peer-to-peer software such as LimeWire legal and safe to use? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
If you didn't draw the picture, take the photograph, record the music, or write the book, then it isn't yours. If you paid for it, you paid for a copy for your use, no-one elses.
Why do people think they can get things for free unless they have been made freely available by the person who created them?
We all know a little sharing goes on, but in our household, there are even multiple copies of the same CD, where the kids have their own copy.
As an IT support person, when I end up occasionally sorting out home users, I carefully explain to parents the legal state of peer to peer copying, and usually end up blocking it on the firewall of their router as far as is practical.
If kids are allowed to grow up believing that everything is free if only they have the technical knowledge to access it, how long before they decide that the money in your bank account should also be free to them.
Theft of copyright materials on-line is just that - theft - it is as much theft as someone breaking into my car to steal things.
This may be an unpopular and old-fashioned view, but I have yet to find a single persuasive argument that theft of copyright materials is OK.
The insite to this P2P and Downloads as quoted by an atty
by SargeAF - 3/17/07 6:12 AM In reply to: Is peer-to-peer software such as LimeWire legal and safe to use? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
To; Brandy, and all who read.
I asked an attorney friend of mine who deals with copyrights and has done work for me, and this was his responce.
" File sharing networks are not illegal as long as the files being shared have the permission of the original copyright owner, or if the file has never had a copyright applied for and granted. Many times people will list something as being copyrighted but is in fact is not, and if shared is NOT illegal. On the otherhand if it is copyrighted, and you only listen to, view the material with the permission of the person who has purchased a legal copy, again is NOT illegal. Downloading, copying, sharing, a true copyright protected material is illegal and can be prosecuted, which under the new law says that if you have material that is listed as copyrighted and has a copyright in force or has applied for a copyright, is punishable by fine and/or jail time per each occurance."
I asked what he meant by each occurance and it is each and every time the person recieves the material, even if it is the same material.
Now several in here says they have been doing it for years and they have not had a problem. this does not mean that it is legal because they have not been prosecuted, YET, there is so much of this going on out there that the recording companies, artists, are slowly going after each of these, and sooner or later LimeWire will be on the block, along with all those that paritcipated. I look at this way even though I am on fixed income, I would rather pay the $.80 to 2.00 for a legal copy from the many companies that supply it, rather than loose everything I own when these companies get around to LimeWire.
Mark H
Limewire
by mrbillaaaa - 3/17/07 8:30 AM In reply to: Is peer-to-peer software such as LimeWire legal and safe to use? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I use Limewire .. not a lot but some..I have the upgrade version along with the upgrade version of Media Monkey.... I PAID for both of these service....these services came to me by way of the World Wide Web... I mostly download older music from like me old has beens.
Now...This same media is also available to the original artist or what ever... The fact BMI and other music police was slow acting is their fault...Growing up we all bought different records then loaned or swapped later we recorded and returned them...Those artist never complained and remained sucessful.
Record Companies Break The Law
by seanjerome - 3/17/07 8:34 AM In reply to: Is peer-to-peer software such as LimeWire legal and safe to use? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Record Companies want you to not break the law when it is against them, but they will break the law if it is their interests.
The record companies were recently found to have broken laws regarding deals with radio stations and program directors, their actions keeping many up and coming artists from being heard on the radio.
So, I have no sympathy for the record companies when they demand we follow the law, and then they break the law and hurt good musicians and people trying to make a living in the business with their own illegal actions.
I no longer have an moral conflict with downloading shared music ever since hearing of these record companies lack of respect for the law and their tactics to keep only certain artists played on the publicly-owned airwavs.
peer to peer software is similar to an electronic library
by technochrista - 3/17/07 8:35 AM In reply to: Is peer-to-peer software such as LimeWire legal and safe to use? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Sharing files using peer to peer software is not illegal in Canada. I never feel dishonest when I download materials using a file sharing program. This is because I consider the peer to peer software much like a library. Frequently I visit my community library to borrow music CDs, books, software, or videos. At other times, I use a file sharing program to acquire the same type of material. To me they are the same thing. (I cannot comment on LimeWire, as I use Ares instead)
re: peer to peer software is similar to an electronic librar
by vinroe - 3/18/07 9:52 AM In reply to: peer to peer software is similar to an electronic library by technochristaI live in British Columbia. In my library there are "warning signs" when borrowing CDs, software, or videos.
They are for private use only. Public viewing is NOT allowed.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, anytime you borrowed material from the library they pay Royality Fees.
i dunno.........
by D3V1ANT 1 - 3/22/07 4:01 PM In reply to: re: peer to peer software is similar to an electronic librar by vinroeno.libraries do not pay royalty fees.how could a library possibly funcion if the paid every time u borrowed a book.
Legal and Safe?
by ScottDamery - 3/17/07 8:43 AM In reply to: Is peer-to-peer software such as LimeWire legal and safe to use? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
This is my first reply,
My opinion is that it should be legal. I remember staying over at friends house and borrowing albums or 8 tracks to listen to and making a cassette copy of the radio or albums so i could take it with me...I dont remember anyone getting arrested and the product was never bought or sold just shared.
If I buy something and share it with the world that should be my personal choice I just should not make money off of it...If I profit then I should send the proper royalties to the rightful owners, but if I am sharing it for free then that is ok...just my opinion.
Safe? Is another issue, Most modern programming has auto updates etc. that phone home for updates or to try and be more helpful by tuning to your actions. If you look up hard rock and not rap then they will offer you more new hard rock and less new rap. There are always criminals out there doing harm and trying to use others good programs for malicious uses. This is our human condition.
sharing
by unaneary - 3/17/07 8:55 AM In reply to: Legal and Safe? by ScottDameryinteresting point. My friends and I swap CDs all the time. How many people can say that they never asked a friend to copy a CD for them and vica versa. Whats any different in sharing online? You are right -so long as we are not selling or making a profit from. They should go after the jerks at the local jumble sales and boot fares who sell pirated copies of the latest films in dreadful quality, with one purpose - to make money. THAT is total illegal in my book.
Una
My View ...
by millzy2006 - 3/17/07 3:51 PM In reply to: sharing by unanearyI aint responded to this post exacly sorry.
Now my view on the p2p software and such.
The most file's being shared are MUSIC yea?
People who say they dont do it.... I mean come on i bet you do or have tryed it.
But any way's this is what i think (But remember it's what i think ok)
Software such as "LIMEWIRE", i hered that it's main file's are music.Now it's like a cirle to me, some where, some how the person who is uploadind the song obviously BOUGHT the song from somewhere one way or the other.Therefore the band or singer who released the song receaved the money for it, so he has bought the song right,now he has listed it on LimeWire for others to download.
So then it moves on to other's,
So yet another person buy's a differnt song and dose the exacly the same thing uploaded the song.So the circle is allmost complete yea.
So two differnt person's has BOUGHT a differnt song then one another leagaly, and uploaded them, so now all they are doing is SHAREING the songs.
Ive done some resaerch on the programes and software and found out that it's all based on people SHARING,
ie: I bought a song from a knowen website that sells mp3's leagly, so dose my freind.Lets say there wer sang by Eminem for instance.So we both tell eacth other that we bought this song and that song.
I say o dam i aint got that one, and he say's i aint got your one, i know wot lets swap it with one another.So they both upload the songs on lime wire or any other P2P software.
So instaed of going the long way round of saving the song to an mp3 or a memory stick they do it through the p2p.
So my point here is that sharing the music SHOULD be ( not saying it is) LEAGLE as both member's have BOUGHT the song's and one way or another made the artist of the song make a profit!!
I fully under stand and agree to the fact that downloading and shareing movies and software should be ILLEAGLE because the movie's are a big industry and exspesive to do.The software is allso a big thing to do but with a load of people writeing there own programs, most software is free ware.
And as for the safe part of P2p'ing, it is safe if you have the right virus and spy ware etc software.
Thanks for reading my view, and sorry if you dont agree with me
and i hope you all understand.
P2P software should be both good abd bad to use.
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