Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
Microsoft dictates to Hardware manufacture....
by bb1208 - 3/15/07 11:47 PM In reply to: Blame the peripherals manufacturers, folks. by PhragMunkeeMicrosoft drives the hardware market. Microsoft tells the hardware companies what to do and when to do it, and if they are not ready, well too bad! They cannot have their stock price take a hit.
With all due respect, I am not sure if the hardware companies need to take *all* the blame for the spin master. This is ME all over again, ill prepared, not ready for prime time.
Put Vista in.....Garbbbbbage out
by drjoedj - 3/15/07 9:10 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamEvery body that puts Vista in Pays me money to get it out it's wonderful for me.
Responsibility for Drivers Under Vista
by jjacobson - 3/15/07 9:44 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWay back in the mainframe days, IBM did give periperhal vendors the opportunity to see that the OEM drivers functioned under new releases of IBM's operating systems. Microsoft is a software vendor, so what's the problem doing the same for vendors? IBM was both a software and HARDWARE firm, so these OEM drivers were often for competitive hardware.
Problems with ME are pale in comparison...
by bb1208 - 3/15/07 11:36 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamAfter three weeks of screwing around with installing/removing/re-installing drivers, calling various vendors and following their contradictory instructions, exchanging brand new parts in my new computer with other so called "Vista Ready" parts; I am done, I am moving on... But wait. There is a bigger problem. Since I have "imported" my hard drives from my Win2000 workstation into Vista, I cannot take my data drives back to 2000 or XP. Vista security has locked it so they will only work on Vista. XP and 2000 see the drive as un-formatted drive.
What a mess! The only way to remove 100's of Gig of files back to XP or 2000 is to get a clean XP and use a network to transfer the data to another platform.
I have to tell you, the Apple commercials, albeit two decades late, ring a lot of truth to it.
Vista quirks
by rdmclaren - 3/16/07 12:14 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamVista will not synchronize with anything earlier than windows mobile 2003. XP will.
The pointer becomes invisible when media center is in full window mode. You can use it but you can't see it.
It is one thing to suggest that other software and drivers should accommodate windows. What is absurd is that Vista is not compatible with older microsoft ware. If Vista was a prescribed medicine. The nota benes would be so numerous it is doubtful that people would buy it until it was three years old.
Synching the PDA
by PhragMunkee - 3/16/07 12:47 AM In reply to: Vista quirks by rdmclarenThe half life of computer equipment is about 2 years. Why do you expect anything from pre-2003 to synch with a two generations later OS? I try to go five years before I replace either of my computers today, but by then they are on their last legs, the keyboard on the notebook is shot, all sorts of registry errors go "bing" in the background, etc. I'm on my eighth and ninth computers, starting with PCs that had, I think, 16 Kilobytes of RAM. The newest machine has two gigs, and I imagine my next one will have 16 Gigs of ram. I don't expect anything to work from a couple of computer generations ago, and you shouldn't either. Do your vinyl records play on your I-pod or other MP3 player? Will your Betamax tape play on an HDCD Blu-Ray player? I don't think so. How about your 8-track or even your cassettes? Not on your life. Does film take pictures in a modern camera? The list is endless, and will become longer when non-HDTV television sets that get only over the air signals go blank by Congressional mandate in about a year.
You know, I remember when computers were almost useless machines, slow counters of 1's and 0's, used by geeks, constructed out of parts bought at Radio Shack. Back then (late 1960's) IBM salesmen could all write code in COBOL and FORTRAN. Computers did nothing useful for most of us, and the standard question (even to Steve Ballmer from his mother) was "Why would anyone want their own computer?" And then came Microsoft. Now computers do all sorts of wonderful things, and there are literally thousands of companies writing programs for PCs. And viruses, too, I might add. People write programs and viruses for PCs, rather than MACs, because the Microsoft operating system, whatever version, holds a 95% market share. They have made our life much easier, but you have to invest a little effort to get the payback.
There are all sorts of dumb ideas out there about how much Microsoft charges for their OS, lots of anger at Microsoft because it's so big. Truth is it doesn't charge monopoly prices, but rather prices so low (less than $50 per OEM machine, if you study their financial filings) that no one can afford to invest in the development and sale of a competitive product. That's why everybody else in the industry gets together to gang up on them, the Lilliputians trying to tie down Gulliver.
I am not sympathetic. Buy new peripherals.
Giants are not ordinary people
by Amos16 - 3/16/07 2:36 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamMicrosoft being an all-embracing and all encompassing giant, it should be able to produce an OS that is compatible with its previous OS versions. After all, we bought all the peripherals and programs BECAUSE they worked on XP. Simply saying that we should now restart from square one because they came out with something different means leaving all your clients in the lurch. Should we buy everything over again? No good.
Apple managed to switch okay...
by weavero - 3/16/07 3:05 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWhen Apple made the switch to Intel processors, the vendors were given a nice slice of time and support to update. I owned a PowerPC Mac and recently switched to a new iMac, and so far, touch wood, the vendor software I use has been compatible due to Apple's excellent 'invisible' Rosetta (for those not in-the-know, check the link...) http://www.apple.com/rosetta/
Microsoft want to start realising that they're not the be-all-and-end-all when it comes to Operating Systems, and take a look at what's happening (at least in the UK) with the 'designers institution' that is QuarkXPress. Designers got sick of Quark not listening, responding and adapting to their needs and are dropping it in huge numbers for Adobe's Creative Suite. Take not Microsoft. Quark was the king. Now it's dying. Apple were the pretenders to the throne, and now?...
upgrades
by rmjivaro - 3/16/07 4:36 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamA long time ago it made sense for microsoft to break the prison of backward compatability and it still does, but they have so oft spouted the phrase it is taken for granted that their new release will work with the old stuff.
Of course, considering the fact that once again their latest and greatest is little more than bug fixes with a couple of new features (like 'best of' cd's from aging musicians) and broken compatability the real questions seem to be whether to give them their money AGAIN only to be put right back into buggy hell and whether it is worth continuing with this platform at all.
I use windows at work because that's largely what I get from corporate and have to use because of cheap windows developers for the apps I need to run, but I am finding more uses for Llnux there and am gradually increasing its use, and use it at home exclusively. My brothers have migrated to Macs at home. Have fun with your permissionware kids.
Who is to blame?
by Sentinel - 3/16/07 5:09 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamIf it's a matter of assigning blame, unfortunately, I have to say the consumer is to blame. All these issues also happened when XP was released, although maybe not as much as with Vista. All of a sudden, even software programs like Easy CD Creator stopped working and we were forced to buy new versions that worked with XP (I've always thought of it as one big updgrade conspiracy :)) There are always issues with new products on the consumer markets. From the faulty Nintendo Wii controllers to the Xbox 360's that burned out after a few hours of use. Users upgrading to Vista should check that all their software has Vista specific drivers available from their product vendor's web sites before taking the leap to Vista. Your best bet to avoid these issues is to buy a Vista-ready PC or laptop, which, should, work fine with it. But, do make sure it has at the minimum 1 GB of RAM. Vista, even the most Basic version, doesn't work right with 512 MB of RAM, despite some vendors claims.
For those not wanting to buy new hardware, I would reccomend not upgrading for a while. Wait at least a year, until most vendors have updated their drivers, and then upgrade. Or, install Vista as a dual boot with XP (I'm not sure if that can be done, I haven't used Vista yet, but it could be done with earlier versions of Windows) and see what issues arise. In any case, best of luck.
Yes, dual boot is available with Vista.
by Igiveup2 - 3/16/07 4:42 PM In reply to: Who is to blame? by SentinelCheck the sticky thread.
Opinion on Vista Compatability
by hal - 3/16/07 5:57 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI don't have a dog in this hunt... yet. However, my XP is running slower and is getting quicker to lock up. I find myself hoping it will hang in there until the Vista bugs are worked out. Other wise I'm not sure what I will do. I checked the block that said send your comments on whether Microsoft or third-party vendors was responsible for making sofware/drivers compatable with Vista. I really don't care. I expect them to work. That's why I would buy it in the first place. Didn't Sony expend the resources to make PS3 backward compatable. Why should we expect less from Microsoft?
XP becoming slow and locking up
by BradKC1 - 3/16/07 9:20 AM In reply to: Opinion on Vista Compatability by halThe main reasons for anyone's XP becoming slow (not counting any hardware failures or a motherboard that's starting to go bad, etc.) and having lockups are a) corrupted OS and application software due to turning machines off improperly, b) swap files set way too small, c) loading up the machine with junk especially on a machine with not much memory, d) running Norton products, e) a registry that hasn't been cleaned, f) lack of regular defragging of the hard drive, g) failure to set restore points, h) failure to take backups so you can recover from bad software or someone powering off the machine without shutting down, etc., etc., etc.
Because you are having lockups I suspect software corruption but I also expect that you don't do regular maintenance. If I don't maintain my car, eventually it starts running like garbage.
The best solution to software corruption is to re-install the operating system, all drivers, and software (and DON'T install junk software that you won't use). Then take care of the machine after that as discussed previously. If you have any kids around, keep the machine out of reach of small hands who like to push power buttons.
I just got done fixing 3 machines that were running like dogs. What did I have to do? Delete tons of worthless software. Change the swap file size from 384MB (the XP default it seems) to 2048MB. Defrag the hard drive. Clean the registry. Defrag the registry. And voila! The machines now run way faster than they did. They don't take 20 minutes to boot up or shut down. All stuff the owners could do if they just would take the time to try to learn. Then again, without ignorant users maybe I wouldn't have as much to do...........
Are you kidding?
by rmjivaro - 3/16/07 2:39 PM In reply to: XP becoming slow and locking up by BradKC1Are you? Good god man. Why should I have to do all that crap just to keep my computer running? Why doesn't it just run? Unix has worked just fine since the '60's without all that nonesense! To me it sounds more like the problem is a lousy file system poorly configured by the o/s provider that destroys itself unless preventive measures are put in place to keep the o/s from being itself!!
A self-cleaning house would be nice, too.
by Igiveup2 - 3/16/07 4:48 PM In reply to: Are you kidding? by rmjivaroYour options are 1) hire a maid (system technician) or do it yourself. Unix isn't maintenance free either.
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