Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
vista problems
by mail0123 - 3/14/07 5:00 PM In reply to: Totally agree, John by mopscare42i disagree its microsoft problem thay drop the ball not a vindor like hp , hp sold a product that work with windows xp and then microsoft made a product that doesnt work the hp product , so it microsoft problem for not making vist program correctly, its very simple
HP
by hotlift - 3/14/07 8:58 PM In reply to: vista problems by mail0123i have 3 HP Pavillians and 1 Invent and all work with Vista. I also have a HP Photosmart printer that has no problems with Vista.
True remarks!!!
by aec396 - 3/14/07 5:05 PM In reply to: Totally agree, John by mopscare42This guys remarks are 100% on the money. You can't blame Microsoft for other companies inadequacies.
If XP was still readily available on new PCs...
by lorax1284 - 3/14/07 5:50 PM In reply to: True remarks!!! by aec396...then customers would have a choice. When I get a new computer, I don't simultaneously go out and buy all new versions of all my software: I use my old software.
If I was buying a new computer today, it would come with a Vista license.
Am I legally entitled to use XP Home if I want, so my software will run?
I could I suppose buy an off-the-shelf XP license for hundreds of dollars more.
So, Microsoft gets the "virus" that is new versions of software into the market with critical mass, so eventually everybody upgrades.
XP was a significant improvement technically from 98SE, and significant usability improvement from both 98 and Win2K.
Windows Vista doesn't really offer me too much in that regard, but I bought a license anyway for the eventual, inevitabe upgrade: one day, there will be a killer app for Vista that I'll want, but hopefully by then, my favourite apps will have Vista compatible versions.
Totally agree as well
by reedb49 - 3/14/07 5:14 PM In reply to: Totally agree, John by mopscare42You are right,it's not Microsoft's job to supply drivers for third party software to make it compatible with Vista. All the software makers and hardware as well should have been doing their homework while Vista was in beta stage. If they want to drag their butts, stop using their software/harware and make purchase's from manufacutres that actually got off their ***** and worked with Vista to make their software/hardware compatible. Vista so far is an excellent OS and microsoft has done thier job, dont expect them to do the job of tird party manufacutures.
WinVista VS HP
by tdsmith - 3/14/07 5:39 PM In reply to: Totally agree, John by mopscare42I agree with the thought that these others vendors have had months to develop suitable drivers and have failed in their "support" of their customers. M/S has given interested parties information on their new system, so these other companies have no excuse for not properly "support"ing their products. HP openly lies o its customers when it states that their products are Vista compatible. What IS happening is that they use work arounds to give a modecum of utility but not totally functionality. I have a 7410 and even until today I cannot get drivers for it.
Windows Vista and hardware
by hfhlt004 - 3/14/07 7:23 PM In reply to: Totally agree, John by mopscare42There are those who would blame Microsoft for everything, including bad weather! Few of us are forced to go with Vista. My scanner manufacturer has refused to release drivers for Vista. Before that, I had a scanner that refused to upgrade to XP. Face it, the hardware manufacturers just want to sell new products. Both the manufacturers and software writers have had plenty of time to write patches.
Vista incompatiblities
by eddavisdpm - 3/14/07 7:55 PM In reply to: Totally agree, John by mopscare42Microsoft should not act as if it operates in a vacuum. Every vendor cannot play catch up every time Microsoft decides to change or tweak operating systems. There is a large mass of software and devices out there that should not need upgrading if Microsoft focused on making compatibility issues inherent in its design.
REPLY
by pro_chaliha83 - 3/15/07 3:33 AM In reply to: Totally agree, John by mopscare42u're foolish to say that only microsoft is to blame. What the hell on earth were HP was doing during beta testing of Vista. Having a bug problem would've been an different issue.
Windows Vista
by dpblackwell - 3/15/07 5:35 AM In reply to: Totally agree, John by mopscare42I agree. I had the same problem with HP when I switched to Windows XP. I couldn't use printers nor scanners. HP was no help. The drivers I downloaded were no help. I ended up purchasing new hardware to resolve the issues because I couldn't let my business go into the toilet while trying to resolve the issues with HP.
In the long run, it will be a Windows problem because people won't upgrade (I know I won't and I could have upgraded for free) because of the lack of compatibility.
I have stopped purchasing HP products due to their lack of support and because their CS reps neither undersatnd me nor I them.
Driver Fiasco
by fleubis - 3/15/07 5:32 PM In reply to: Totally agree, John by mopscare42This driver fiasco is the big reason I'm not switching to Vista anytime soon. How many thousands of people are willing to fight this battle one more time? Remember when Microsoft said Win 2K drivers would make everything compatible from that point forward? Pretty good thru XP releases. But I like millions of others have thousands of dollars in peripherals tied up and no Vista drivers in sight. Further, if you have peripherals 2 or 3 years old, fat chance of seeing drivers for Vista anytime soon. I'm not willing to buy all new fax machines, scanners, etc., to accomodate Vista driver requirments. Cannot see why Microsoft could not have built a "compatability mode" for this slightly older drivers. I'll be with Win2K and XP and enjoy the lower memory requirmenets and faster performance these OS's offer.
Agree, mostly
by meisinscotland - 3/17/07 8:09 AM In reply to: Driver Fiasco by fleubisIf I am not mistaken, Vista is version NT 6, a complete re-write of the op system - even the kernel! Of course drivers are going to be incompatible. Windows XP and 2003 (NT 5.1 and 5.2 respectively) are based on the foundation of Windows 2000 (as MS proudly announces in the tour 
) and so obviously Win2k drivers are going to work on XP and 2003, and I can sure as hell verify that!
But yea, I will continue to use XP and 2000 (not to mention my many older Windows in Virtual Machines) for a good while yet.
Virtual Machine Application Layer?
by meisinscotland - 3/17/07 8:14 AM In reply to: Driver Fiasco by fleubisWhen you say compatibility mode do you mean a VM Application Layer like the Java VM or that Classic thingy in Mac OS X? Or, hehe, the "supposed" compatibility mode in XP..
It would be handy yea, and Microsoft could steal Apple's idea and have you provide Win2k files to essentially power the virtual machine. I'd like to see that in fact.
To TOTALLY AGREE shows IGNORANCE If NOT STUPIDITY!
by com2pc - 3/21/07 10:33 AM In reply to: Totally agree, John by mopscare42When Windows X P replaced Win 98 It was a Vast improvement INCLUDING COMPATIBILITY and software Drivers. MANY times after installing X P You dont even need them motherboard CD for peripherals such as sound and Video!! X P had added tons of DRIVERS which windows would search for and install for you.( for NEW hardware / software) !!!! So What happened with VISTA?? Did M S Get LAZY?? Why release and SELL a product to The Public that is INFERIOR to your previous O S??. Obviously M S wants to Lose customers.. Im Sure MAC and LINUX will be Greatful. I wouldnt have VISTA ona POPSICLE stick If They gave It to me FREE!! Not Only are There TOO MANY Incompatibility issues with software programs. There are BUGS ..And Not The least to mention. VISTA Is a H U G E RESOURCE > H O G...It is Never going to Operate Properly much less PERFORM on anything OTHER than a "State of the ART" (NEW Machine)..It Needs ( to perform at acceptable level) at least 2 gigs of DDR memory >> 4 is BETTER !!! It also needs T H E fastest Processor Your Motherboard can take!! So Keep in Mind IF You are thinking of "UPGRADING" From ANYTHING to VISTA?? You will be UPGRADING W A Y More Than just Your O S !!!And THEN You will stil have the BUGS and Incompatibilities! Y O U Cannot Blame ANYONE B U T Microsoft and Bill Gates for any and all of these issues!! I F Toyota made and sold their cars in such a manner?? Do You think That the Big 3 Auto makers would be worrying about sales?? Is It the 3rd party and hardware manufacturers fault That MICROSOFT Built an
E D S E L ?? I Think N O T.. It will be a "COLD Day In HELL", before VISTA goes On one Of my P C'S !! Or at least a very long time?? Like when Bill and M S pull their heads out of ???? The sand !
MIcrosoft vs third-party vendors
by photoham - 2/12/07 4:20 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
The problem for me as a consumer is with Microsoft for one reason; The Vista Advisor gave me flying colors before I plucked down the money and made the purchase. The advisor did not discourage me from upgrading at this time for any reason. No reference to incompatible drivers or software on my system that would make an upgrade during the first few months problematic. So I took the step to upgrade a machine that was working well, to one that is now turned off. The investment of time on the phone with the third-party vendors should have been part of the Microsoft pre-launch process. I did not know that it would be part of the wonderful new Vista experience.
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