Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
Vendors are the problem
by RCMeltzer - 3/16/07 10:44 AM In reply to: Yes yes yes!! by skaamanHP is a great example of a major vendor failing miserably to support their products. It took HP nearly a year to come up with XP compatible drivers for their printers and even though they've had plenty of notice (like the entire length of the delay in Vista release) they still don't have Vista drivers for their printers. Can't blame that on Microsoft!
HP Scanners
by auggief - 3/16/07 2:27 PM In reply to: Vendors are the problem by RCMeltzerMy Vista found a basic driver for my HP printer but they still don't have the software I need for printer assistant etc. Worse than that is I have an HP 3570c Scanner and even though Vista found it's basic driver, I can't use the scanner buttons and have been told by HP that there will be no Vista software made available at anytine. Now I have a good scanner that can't be used other than to use Windows gallery to make it do a basic scan. Needless to say, I will be very reluctant to replace it with another HP Scanner.
vendors are the problem
by brian90131 - 3/16/07 3:52 PM In reply to: Vendors are the problem by RCMeltzerI run my own computer business and I hear this sort of thing all the time, people want to blame Microsoft, since they made the operating system, I used to think the same thing when I was younger. Until somebody told me that Microsoft wasn't to blame. A lot of 3rd party company's like to be slow at things. With my system I have no hardware incompatibilities. My video card is a Nvidia. They had drivers for vista since the beta. Even my old adaptec 2940 scsi card has a vista driver, which I had to download. My hp scanner was not supported, and they never updated the drivers for vista, so I bought a all in one. Which was supported in vista.
Microsoft does have to get on the ball with their own stuff though as well. Their MSN internet software is not supported under vista, and vista has been out since jan 30. They are already 2 months late.
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Just Buy New Software
by snowshoeskl - 3/15/07 6:53 AM In reply to: Microsoft is NOT to blame by gene5746Sounds like a fine idea - IF IT WERE OUT THERE. If you work in the technical fields like Engineering etc. you will find that there are NOT new packages of software to BUY. We would buy it if it were there. And since the types of programs we are using are not compatible with another "less than ready" version of Windows we will continue to use what we have. It isn't a matter of NOT WANTING to buy new software - it IS a matter of Microsoft putting all the little guys out of business that develop software for these technical fields. In the last 15 years of this business I have seen it happen over and over - what does Microsoft due - just go to the Bank.
Haven;t got that far yet
by wFancher - 3/15/07 8:01 PM In reply to: Just Buy New Software by snowshoesklMy Vista still does not work.....still booting to a black screen with cursor......after 3 weeks with micorsoft tech support on the phone, 2 different versions, a complete reformat of the hard drive, all drivers updated, all aftermarket parts pulled off, BIOS flashing, etc... Only thing that works is boot from DVD but then it will not let you select "upgrade" and you will have activation issues in 30 days. (been there done that)
But I guess it's on me to make sure my computer works with Vista....oh but wait I did get an overall score of 5.2 on their compatability check with no issues.....
I don't know what Apple customer servie is like but Microsoft is about to loose me forever.
I agree, in a weird sort of way.
by eldernorm - 3/15/07 12:08 PM In reply to: Microsoft is NOT to blame by gene5746Yes, Microsoft makes Vista, not all the 3rd party drivers. But we have seen over and over again how MicroSoft actually tries to break drivers to keep those very 3rd party people in line. Lies, threats, and broken software is part of business as usual. Disagree? US Govt vs Microsoft. MIcrosoft Guilty. Nuff said.
But, I agree that if you bought the cheapest thing out there and now the fancy stuff does not work, you should be willing to upgrade. But I would suggest you take this time to upgrade properly and go Apple Mac.
Get a good system that can run windows XP or Vista natively and if you get tired of windows kicking you can, you just switch to Mac software and join those of us who can stick out our tounges and wave out fingers at MS.
Your choice, I agree totally and you should be happy with which ever way you choose to go. ((ps 115,000 viruses to 0 ) spyware does not work on Macs, etc. OH, yes, I am using equipment that is years old and 3 generations of hardware and 5 generations of software just fine thank you. )
JMHO
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Finally... Someone who can see through the anti-vista hype
by hamburgler729 - 3/15/07 12:30 PM In reply to: Microsoft is NOT to blame by gene5746I completely agree with this - it is NOT up to Microsoft to make sure all the old stuff works with Vista, or, for that matter, any stuff works eith the OS. Microsoft makes the OS, the other companies make the parts - its up to them to make sure they work correctly. I have vista on my laptop, and I have had no problems. I love it! I recently upgraded an older computer to Vista - here's where the problems start. I had a TV tuner that was not compatible with Vista, so, no problem, I took it out. I then upgrade to Vista, to find out I have no sound - the sound card's driver doesn't work with Vista. I don't get mad at Microsoft, however. I get mad at the sound card company. They don't make new drivers for it - they are the ones that make it, so make sure it will actually work! I am going to buy a new sound card (not from that company - I'm done with them) and install additional RAM, so I can run Vista smoothly. I love vista... I will upgrade all my computer parts to run it rather than XP... its worth it.
It may be anit vista, but its not hype.
by Joel0421 - 3/15/07 3:14 PM In reply to: Finally... Someone who can see through the anti-vista hype by hamburgler729For a comparison, intel and amd have gone through a lot of trouble to make sure that their processors are compatable with all software back to the 16 bit era and in a lot of cases the 8 bit stuff works too. This last poster must have a lot of money to buy this and that just to work with vista. Vista is an "operating system" and should let your computer "operate" rather than break it and making you buy all new stuff. Unfortunatly thats what microsoft wants. They want to put out another new standard to force people to upgrade to their new software and in the meantime they made all your hardware useless. Gee thanks microsoft! Like I said, if Intel and Amd can do it, microsoft can too. For many, the reason for not jumping to linux was that there did not seem to be enough driver support. Well, now vista is worse than linux in that respect. Microsoft has a blatent disregard for their customers needs. They already have the code developed to work with the old drivers, its called xp. Its just code so why not copy and paste it into vista????? its that simple. The driver breaking was on purpose. Now microsoft has more control over the industry, give driver secrets to their buddies....
Vista drivers are different for a good reason.
by Igiveup2 - 3/16/07 4:19 PM In reply to: It may be anit vista, but its not hype. by Joel0421Vista code has been revamped to keep drivers out of the system kernel. It results in a more stable OS but complicates upgrades.
So you obviously happy to continue to find new drivers
by pchew1954 - 3/17/07 8:27 PM In reply to: Finally... Someone who can see through the anti-vista hype by hamburgler729You're sadly mistaken about "new" products...
Otherwise you're just in some other league - i.e. moneywise.
I cant afford to continuously upgrade everything.
I have a perfectly workind harmonious system, and all my addons work, scanners, cameras, screens, external USB devices external hard disc drives, ... inside the PC, there are capture devices, working on firewire, Bluetooth, wireless LAN, etc....
I am happy with the XP as it O.S.... If I decide to believe that the new O.S. Vista is that good... with all their hype... then I WILL NOT EXPECT anyone (including you - kind sir) to tell me that I "have to" go elsewhere to seek a whole new set of drivers, just to ensure that my entire array of working tools has to be changed to be able to "continue" using these trusted tools and devices... simply because whoever "developed" Vista HASNT INCLUDED in it's new O.S. package ALL of the currently available sets of device drivers ...
By the way the last statement has to do with something called compatibility, if this word is used anywhere in MIcrosoft's claims, then the VISTA product will have just commited a fraudulent claim... meaning it's a federal offence in some countries, and its simply fraud in UK....
Not everyone can afford to continuously replace a tuner which was working yesterday with the XP sysytem, but today (as you said you did) it gets replaced, because the Vista O.S. doesnt recognise it... maybe I am in the minority - but do any of you guys out there - replace everything which doesnt work, after you have just installed a new piece of software.. O.S. or otherwise.... hmmmmm - so, err, friends_rulz, err... can I borrow a couple of thousand bucks from you please? - I have this problem, that I dont think my capture card will like it when I install the VISTA O.S..... you think it's the right solution for my new O.S. compatibility problem ? I will replace everything from hereon, as that's gonna cost, maybe you can lend me some money to do just that?.... think about it rich boy?
Funny Stuff here
by whheezzzz - 3/16/07 8:37 AM In reply to: Microsoft is NOT to blame by gene5746In a Way Micro$oft is to blame.On many occasions MS didnt even want to provide the right tools to third party people to make their progs compatible with Vista,afraid that they wouldnt get the whole slice of pie.Sure Vista has been in developement for quite some time now and Vendors have had the chance to work with MS to make their stuff work right,but as we all know MS scraped Vista completly and started over fresh,and i hear it was pretty much almost done,hows that for NOT blameing Micro$oft.And for people who DONT have Money to burn,not everyone wants a complete whole new system just to switch to a new OS,and Buy all new versions of software.Kudos for you if you do,but thats just what MS wants,if people that are upgadeing instead of buying complete new hardware and software rally together it might ease some of the frustrations. I suppose we have to look forward to the next OS in the same way..Microsoft not to blame?? well it is their OS and they did take forever to release their OS and wouldnt even provide support to third-party vendors.
Going for the whole pie backfired years ago.
by Igiveup2 - 3/16/07 4:32 PM In reply to: Funny Stuff here by whheezzzzIt was a harsh lesson for Apple that almost drove them out of business. MS figured out pretty quickly that to do so was throwing away their main advantage, application availability. It's a move we're not likely to see again.
Maybe this is a dumb question..
by Powerslave15 - 3/21/07 3:04 PM In reply to: Funny Stuff here by whheezzzz.. but if you had a computer that works fine with windows xp.. why would you run out and dump hundreds of dollars into a new OS?? that seems really dumb to me. The only time ive ever upgraded to a new OS is when im upgrading my system, or when Im buying a whole new system. Also, looks whats happened in the past with products. People run out and buy things when they first come out. There is always bugs in things and compatability issues when things are new. Do you think microsoft sits there and tests every possible aftermarket product with its OS? no! why would they? theres too many to check! I think we as consumers know this. NOTHING WORKS PERFECT WHEN IT FIRST COMES OUT! Theres always bugs.. and in a sence, if you run out to buy a brand new OS when your older one is working just fine, its your own fault.
Maybe I should forget Vista for now
by scarlet2007 - 3/16/07 11:11 AM In reply to: Microsoft is NOT to blame by gene5746We need a new computer. It's not in my budget, and I have been putting it off. Single mom, mortgage, car payment..et...But I was planning on buying one anyway. If I also have to go out & buy everything else new because of Vista's compatibility issues. I don't want it installed. It doesn't matter to me who is to blame and how GREAT Vista is. Thank you very much, but I'll pass until this is figured out. With the current state of our economy I'm sure there is a majority of people who feel the same way. I just hope the sales reps inform people before they purchase their new computers.
ps...I believe, sad but true, bottom line, mircrosoft really doesn't care one way or the other, they got their product finally out..stock prices went up and most hardware & software manufactures, would prefer us to to purchase new updated products rather then download a driver for compatibility.
C O'Hara
Mac
by rmjivaro - 3/16/07 4:26 PM In reply to: Maybe I should forget Vista for now by scarlet2007Do yourself a favor, and unless you have to run specific windows apps, get a Mac. At least look into it. Every single Mac user I know absolutely loves them.
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