Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
Windows Vista Forum
by Karen Howell - 3/15/07 9:22 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamMicrosoft is all the Problem! Not Part of it they are putting out a Bata program as if it is a Final Wersion. That is my oppinoin.
It's all about the money.
by STIHLBOLTS - 3/15/07 10:20 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Forum by Karen HowellI figured out long ago that Microsoft is not about software. It's about making money. Extortion to computer manufacturers requiring purchase of their program, extortion for up grades and we are the guinea pigs that keep eating at the Microsoft bowel. The only way to change things is to hold folks accountable. There are two problems with that. First off Microsoft makes it impossible to get any technical help. No books, no personnel. 2nd is that as long as we keep signing off on these long winded license agreements none of it will ever get straightened out.
VISTA - Microsoft's Responsibilities
by bobnolan1 - 3/15/07 9:34 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamMS's responsibilities in regard to VISTA should be to insure that it isn't buggy, insecure or faulty in operation. It would be almost impossible for MS to insure that VISTA is compatible and compliant with every application or program in the marketplace. MS should publish a warning to users that programs and applications might be incompatible. The user should be aware of this possibility and take the necessary corrective action to obtain compatibility.
Vista Upgrade or Downgrade lol
by rmckinnon - 3/15/07 9:34 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWhile it may be true that Microsoft is responsible for Microsoft, it has been proven that they have tried to make themselves a monopoly when it comes to operating systems. They have been goofing off for 5 yrs developing what amounts to an upgrade to XP and an expensive one at that. The amount of benefit is negligible at this point. Given that they have had 5yrs, why haven't they worked with the other vendors to iron these issues out? Usually that's how it works? Was this a surprise? If Microsoft is in business to make operating systems that puts them in the place where they need to make sure it will function on the computer and that the other software will work with it simply put that is the nature of the beast! I have no desire to spend the money at this point and will continue to use XP. It is however a distinct shame that should you desire to purchase a new computer you are forced to "upgrade" to Vista. Apple is looking for appealing all the time!
I Still Have XP, My Father Got STUCK with VISTA
by SqueakeyCat - 3/15/07 12:07 PM In reply to: Vista Upgrade or Downgrade lol by rmckinnonWhile I still have my XP OS, my father, when he ordered his computer was not even given the option to update his XP from Home to Pro. He was only given the option of VISTA and no other OS.
Even the DELL TECHS say that they no longer even have XP on their systems, but, IF u go searching through their "referbished" and other such items, you find plenty of XP, XP HOME, & XP PRO, along with many other types of Windows OS's.
If they r going to keep them in what they call their "Factory Outlet", then why not let the ppl that want to go back to the XP system, exchange their bought VISTA OS for one of their "Factory Outlet OSs'?
Thats stupid, and the only reason they do it, is so that they can have a tax write-off at the end of the year.
and if you don't believe me, then here, go to this link, and you will see for yourself:
http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.aspx/arb/online/en/InventorySearch?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh
then tell people that you can't get XP ne more, even if it is referbished. they also have some that the orders were canceled on, etc. you will c it all at the top of the page, it shows you what you can choose from, including, items that were dented or scratched in shipping.
Squeakey
Presuppositions
by mrwarnocks - 3/15/07 9:38 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamTurn-key, that's what a computer...any computer, is supposed to be. I fuss about MS everyday that I have ever used a computer because you have to know all sorts of inane technical jargon in order to be able to navigate through and do simple tasks. Most of us average Joes only need to do letters and other mundane typing sort of stuff. Heaven help us if we decide to stick a table in our document or add columns! The first time you do these tasks you have to have someone close by to guide you through it or have a few hours of free time...that should not be the case. The techie guys who write the software should have a counterpart with no patience for anything beyond font size to actually use what they've written before the general public gets it. My Mac friends tell me Steve Jobs gets it in this area. That's why I always say...it's Microsoft's fault.
And if you like tweaking your computer and spending hours figuring out ways to enhance your experience...then you have no idea what Im talking about.
By the way, my presupposition is that when I turn the computer on I should never have to read the manual to use it...at all!
windows vista bugs
by entrenedor - 3/15/07 9:55 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI recently bought a Mac and love it. It's the only way to go. I hardly ever have any compatability problems. Give it a shot.
Microsoft Vista launch was premature and irresponsible!
by foid025 - 3/15/07 10:01 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWhat one would expect from a company with Microsoft stature was that they had supplied all resources and code necessary and worked close with hard and soft developers in order to assure that they had their drivers and soft ready for Vista - before -its official launch!
Some incentive would not have harmed either.
Also, Microsoft knew that Vista would force the majority of the hardware (and most of the soft too) in existence to be trashed but tried to hide it with the false and incomplete information “upgrade Advisor” gives.
MSFT at fault, gambling with your money
by clsgis - 3/15/07 10:01 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamAnyone who designs PC hardware or software for MS-Windows has two bosses. The company who signs her pay check, and MSFT. When I was designing Ethernet cards at 3Com, the boss came around every year and apologized, and dropped a copy of the Microsoft Hardware Design Guide on my desk. Every year it got thicker and more constraining.
If you broke any of the rules, MSFT would blackball your product. It would hurt a big company so badly it might never recover, and be instant bankruptcy for a smaller one. To a much greater extent than you would know from the trade press, MSFT directs and controls the PC hardware business. It's tighter than Apple ever was over its "third party" hardware makers.
With that kind of control, MSFT is 100% at fault for all of the problems with Vista.
MSFT took a huge gamble with Vista, gambling that its network effects-based monopoly is so strong that its customers would tolerate being told they have to discard a generation of hardware that runs competing software platforms just fine. (If you don't know what "network effects" are, look in a good economics textbook.) That gamble reflects MSFT's confidence in the strength of the monopoly. They want to retire the working hardware because it is relatively open, and replace it with stuff that will enforce Digital Restrictions Management. The jackpot MSFT is going after is control over music and motion picture distribution in the next decade. Heck of a gamble.
Incompatibility is NOT Microsoft's Fault
by zboot - 3/15/07 10:05 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamThere is a severe disconnect between what an OS means in the home computers / consumer world and what it means elsewhere. As an embedded systems engineer, an OS is typically either C code or object code in the form of a library. If distributed as C code, it is MY responsibility to ensure (either prior to buying it or after the fact) that it works on my target processor. Any problems that arise due to incompatibilities between the OS and my host are essentially my problem. Unless the OS is certified or guaranteed to work with the exact hardware that I'm using, there is no real recourse when things don't work. Of course, I can pay for support packages and the engineers at the OS company will be happy to help me solve my problem 
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Why is it that consumers can be so stupid when it comes to certain things and smart elsewhere. When buying a car, there is a culture of shopping around for the best price and features, knowing exactly what you're getting with the vehicle you're buying. Or when looking for a house or apt, we don't just buy/rent something that has a pretty picture in a newspaper or magazine, we (usually) take the time to inspect it, walk around, talk to people who live in the area, etc. Why is it that we expect other things to be different.
However, I suppose it is the nature of the business that consumers not exercise too much mental faculties. After all, if everyone waited until drivers were ready and an OS was proven to be stable and secure. . .then they'd never buy it and the company would have less incentive to do all that. . .and we'd fall into a decaying spiral that puts for profit OS developers out of business.
Software & Hardware Vendors at fault as well
by firetwuck - 3/15/07 10:06 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamIt's crazy that months after a major software upgrade that I am waiting for drivers/updates from hardware and software companies. They got Vista long before it was released. And a few of those companies, Intuit's Quickbooks for example are hurting consumers. If you upgrade to Vista, Quickbooks forces you to upgrade to their 2007 version. That is a substantial cost to a small business. Heck, I still can't use my Palm because Palm hasn't made my Lifedrive compatible yet. This is a HUGE PITA!
Forced upgrades are a problem for me as well
by Leria - 3/15/07 10:20 AM In reply to: Software & Hardware Vendors at fault as well by firetwuckI have a problem with forced upgrades as well. When I tried running Nero 6 OEM that I got with another one of my computers on my Vista machine, it told me that it was totally incompatible and that I would have to upgrade to Nero 7.
Nero 7 is 50 bucks even with my upgrade voucher discount, a little expensive to upgrade to.
The same thing happened with ACDSee 8, I have to upgrade (at least I thought until two days ago) to ACDSee 9 to be fully Vista-compatible.
That upgrade is 20 dollars, though ACDSee had been saying for nearly a YEAR that they would not be releasing an ACDsee 8 update, because Vista's coming out would coincide with their usual software upgrade timing.
Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
by seaplane - 3/15/07 10:10 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI have been a faithful Windows user since 1.03
Not only that I Beta tested NT (the original) since the prerelease, the strange thing I find is that since that pre-release I sometimes feel that this has been a continuous role (beta testing that is).
Out of the "goodness" of their heart (MS) allowed me to obtain Vista back in the early part of October (so this is not a knee-jerk reaction)
that was the fun part. I like tinkering with new stuff.
The hard part comes when one of my friends approaches me to set up their daughter's new computer, I had almost forgot the my first throws with the "new" VISTA, this wasn't just "tinkering" it was for her birthday and we didn't want her to be disappointed so I went to work.
)(*^*&^%$&^$%#@^ I said to my self I don't remember "window" being this difficult, if I see one more "UAC" message I was going to scream.
Anyway got that out of the way now to get back to my solution to VISTA
my LINUX system was standing by for me to get back to real work AAAHHHHHHHHH better.
Not enough time?
by dnstrong - 3/15/07 10:13 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamSome are saying Microsoft didn't allow enough time for other venders to get their products upgraded. I know that I had a Vista beta version way back in September of 2006 and I am just a user. Surely hardware and software vendors could have found out as quickly as a mere user if their products were compatible. Don't blame Microsoft because other verdors were too busy making money on existing products to upgrade them to Vista
Windows Vista Bugs
by dcollier41 - 3/15/07 10:14 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI'm running Vista Ultimate on an Athlon XP 2700. The only problems I've encountered are getting drivers for my HP Photosmart 3610 All-in-one & getting an update for Realplayer. Everything else seems to be working well & with much greater stablility than I had with XP. HP has provided a temporary driver, but it is not fully functional.
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