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sorry you need to reread the article
by Zandor - 3/15/07 8:41 AM In reply to: Vista compatability by artsr3"They so often try to keep out vendor like Symantec, who had to sue to get info to get info to make their products work,"
they were sued because Symantec wanted to have control of the kernel and that was in the EU we in the US are safe from Semitics attempt to force Microsoft to unlock the kernel
Microsoft locked the kernel down for security reasons mac's kernel has been locked down for years and Symatec works just fine on it but on windows Symantec wants to take over your system by installing root kits and taking over your windows kernel thats the facts and I'm glad they lost that case in the US.
Exactly... It's Windows to blame.
by Flameguthix - 3/15/07 10:12 AM In reply to: Vista compatability by artsr3Vista was supposed to be the 'Ultimate Plug and Play OS,' and yet many 3rd party hardware/software is unusable. Who's to blame? Microsoft. The purpose of an OS is to combine hardware and software from anyone in a productive and anesthetic manner. The only problem with Vista is that it comsumes your hardware resources and some software doesn't work. Again, who's to blame? Is it the vendor's job to hassle MS to give them information about Vista in order to make their product compatible, or MS to release the information to any vendor aiming to make a platform on Windows.
More and more programs and hardware are being made for Linux, and if Windows wants to stay in the running for much longer, they have to comply with all vendor to keep their biggest catch point: almost all programs run on Windows. If I were a vendor trying to establish contact with the Windows information and denied, especially if I was Symantec, I'd look for a new platform. Maybe something that's opensource, so I wouldn't have to bother anyone about compatability.
You all have to admit, Vista could be the last semi-successful Windows OS. It's just like the PS3 versus the X-Box 360 or Wii. Sony made a whole lot of mistakes, and now their paying for it. Both Microsoft and Sony have dominated their domain for years, but eventually you must hand off the torch to someone else.
It's not like everyone has dsl or current subs to their SW
by pgalioni - 3/14/07 7:39 PM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidFIRST -- just recently has DLS or high speed reached approximately half of the computer users in America. Downloading drivers at dial-up speeds sucks - especially if your line hick-ups during a 2 to 5 hour period.
SECOND -- my PhotoShop and DreamWeaver are 5+ years old and work just fine thank you -- so Windows goes Vista -- and I spend how many THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of dollars to upgrade programs that are perhaps on the verge of not being supported any longer?
I CAN say that very large companies like AT&T where you HAVE to use them and HAVE to have current versions SHOULD have update patches for their programs, but why should Adobe create drivers and patches for a version of photoshop that is 5-6-7 years old, but does exactly what I want it to.
I have a Dell that's (knock on wood) given me no trouble running 24/7 so that I can do my civic duty and keep the World Community Grid going and help all of mankind. And I don't see an end to this dell yet. When it begins to show signs of crashing or the HD gets a bit full, sure I'll switch -- but I sure would like to be able to use my couple-a-thousands of dollars worth of software --- older, OK, yes, BUT heck, I'll be any one just about anything there there are no five people anywhere on earth who know everything that my Photoshop 6 can do. I sure have no clue -- so perhaps a little thought should be given to the older programs and the smaller companies when one considers the BILLIONS of dollars that MS will make off their new OS.
Perhaps TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars. Maybe HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
Heck, those numbers are too large for me to understand. Only that many small companies are hard pressed to provide EXCEPTIONAL user support for their current products -- let alone provide support for MULTIPLE PLATFORMS -- because, apparently Vista is sounding more like a different platform the more I read and hear about it.
Well that's my five cents worth.
Stop Complaining....YOU HAVE A CHOICE!
by ulara - 3/14/07 8:15 PM In reply to: It's not like everyone has dsl or current subs to their SW by pgalioniWhat all you complainers seem to be forgetting is that you don't have to upgrade to VISTA!! If you have older stuff and don't want to buy new and don't want to have to deal with the potential problems of upgrading then DON'T UPGRADE....how simple can it be?
You are missing the point...
by inoshishi - 3/14/07 10:04 PM In reply to: Stop Complaining....YOU HAVE A CHOICE! by ulara... When you walk into a computer shop and buy a new computer, you don't get asked "... and would you prefer Vista preinstalled on that, or would you rather have XP, Linux, Windows 98, etc." You get what Microsoft told the hardware manufacturer to put on the new machine!
Then when you get home and start to migrate all your perfectly working software and peripherals to your shiny new machine... poof, the Vista illusion quickly fades away. Now you need to get new peripherals (if they are no longer supported), new software versions, etc. and that can all mount in cost, especially if you are talking about old business productivity software.
Slowly it dawns on you that you have not been given a choice here. Had you known about all of these compatibility issues before hand and had been given the choice between Vista on that new computer and XP, you might have reached the conclusion that although you may need the computer upgrade, Vista is not for you if it means having to upgrade everything else as well (especially if it is important to squeeze the last few cents of value out of your existing investment in peripherals and productivity software).
Very True and I totally agree
by rellefn - 3/14/07 10:53 PM In reply to: You are missing the point... by inoshishiMS should have made sure Vista was backwards compatible with XP so that any software or hardware that worked with XP, would still work with Vista.
From my point of view, Vista is a total waste and I feel sorry for anyone who has it. It's not really any kind of improvement, aside from a couple of "bells and whistles" graphic feature, (aero glass), and it is a real resource hog. Making it virtually unusable without significant hardware upgrades. In a test lab training, we had Vista running on a machine with 512MB, (which MS claims as the minimum req). It ran, but just booted to the OS, not running any other apps, it used up over 400MB of RAM. That doesn't leave much for other things.
I work as a tech support specialist for Gateway Business Systems. Besides all the compatibility issues, sometime on or just prior to last Sun (3/11), there were some Windows Updates to Vista, which people got on their machines, (many w/o even realizing it). These updates caused Vista to crash and they were booting to the BSOD. Did MS miss people getting this and that is why they sent this latest update. We have had numerous calls all week with this same problem. Fortunately, it only took a couple days before we had a fix, booting to the OS DVD and running 3 DOS bootrec commands, that resolved the issue. But how many people aren't going to get this? How many people are going to reload, and loose all their data. Or maybe even worse, reload and not realize that Vista, by default, (unless you delete the existing partition during the reload), just installs another copy of Vista on the HDD. I had one customer who wound up with 4 copies of Vista on his HDD before I got him. I walked him thru a reload, deleting the partition, then making a new one, then loading Vista. After we turned off automatic updates.
User incompetence...
by genotypewriter - 3/15/07 4:57 AM In reply to: Very True and I totally agree by rellefnFirst of all, I'm not an elitist and I'm not a Microsoft hater. I think everyone should be able to use computers.
As far as a company like MS is concerned, they just want more and more people to start using computers. And if those new computer users didn't learn anything more about computers than depending more on Windows, can you blame Microsoft?
Mainstream operating systems for dummies won't exist and they certainly won't keep coming up if dummies don't exist in the mainstream.
Unless you learnt using computers on computers that had non-MS OSs like MacOS, Unix or OS/2, you probably should be thankful to MS. Maybe without MS, you'd be unemployed! Maybe Apple might have become like MS... then, not only they'd have a software monopoly, they'd have a hardware monopoly too. Maybe both! Any non-Mac convert want that?
This whole blaming-MS thing is like blaming a diaper company for not making their products large enough when you shouldn't still be in them in the first place!
Go learn how to use a different OS or learn how to put up with the one you want to use. It's your choice, market!
...
PS: Some operating systems use all the available physical memory. If you've used Linux you'd know this. In such cases, when a program needs more memory, less frequently used things get paged. I don't know the specifics of Vista's memory manager and I don't think you do either... so let's not panic.
User Incompetence
by rellefn - 3/15/07 5:13 AM In reply to: User incompetence... by genotypewriterI wouldn't call it so much User Incompetence, more like User Gullability. Rushing out and jumping on the Vista band wagon, only to find the wagon wheel is cracked. I got my wife a new laptop for Xmas. I thank God I bought it in Nov and it had XP.
I mean the first month Vista was out, not many issues, at least we weren't getting calls about it at work. Now M$ releases a "critical update" that crashes the OS to a BSOD?!?!?! When anyone asks about getting a Vista upgrade I advise hold off, for quite some time, if ever.
OF COURSE MICROSOFT IS TO BLAME
by mendozil - 3/15/07 10:59 PM In reply to: User Incompetence by rellefnFor me the bottom line is that Microsoft WAS aware that the other companies weren't ready yet with their drivers for Vista, and that launching it would have problems and yet they STILL released it, without waiting for everyone else to finish their software. This of course causing headaches and frustrations from a LOT of people who either paid for this very expensive, semi-useless OS or stuck with it when they bought a new PC.
Microsoft can't just expect everyone to upgrade all their stuff IMMEDIATELY to enjoy their EXPENSIVE VISTA.
Admit it, Vista is not ready for the world, and the world is not ready for Vista yet. Period.
For those of you who insist in an OS that looks good (which is basically what it boils down to)....get a new Intel-based Mac. Yes, you can load XP very easily and it runs like a charm, and then maybe, when Vista IS FINALLY READY, you can even run Vista on a Mac. Come to think of it, i have a friend who has a Macbook Pro loaded with Vista Ultimate, and it is running, mind you.
Ok, so you CAN use Vista, just don't connect Vista to any ANCIENT device which would include your current mobile phone (whatever brand and no matter how new), scanner, printer, usb wireless adaptor, PDA, digital camera, webcam.... not to mention your OLD games (yes, the ones that came out January 2007), any 2006 and 2007 Anti-virus program (i've never seen an Anti-Virus program for Vista yet), Photoshop, Office 2003 or older, you know, stuff that you just happen to use everyday. Connecting to the internet, though, is possible. However, without a Vista anti-virus program, do you really think you CAN be safe? I don't think so.
Peace out! 
Get a life.
by PhragMunkee - 3/16/07 12:19 AM In reply to: OF COURSE MICROSOFT IS TO BLAME by mendozilOne of the questions asked by CNET is "what programs and software work with Vista?" I happen to have the following that work fine: first, PALM OS/desktop, etc.; second, Quicken 2007, except for its internal glitch with zeroing out asset values, which happens on XP as well;a Radio Shack 7-slot USB 2.0 hub; a non-interruptible power supply; Norton Internet Security Suite 2007; Office 2007 and Microsoft Streets and Trips (naturally); Google's Picasa 2 (and every variant based on it), etc. Actually, the only things that don't fully work are my HP printer, my HP scanner, and some discs like Rand McNally World Atlas 1999, which didn't work with XP either. I don't really think you know what you're talking about, or maybe you're a flack for Steve Jobs. That's OK by me, but at least disclose.
How to spot garbage posts
by genotypewriter - 3/18/07 5:58 AM In reply to: OF COURSE MICROSOFT IS TO BLAME by mendozilYou know a post is garbage when...
* They contain claims that only make sense to people with lots of aversion such as Nazis and many Mac-converts. For example:
"For me the bottom line is that Microsoft WAS aware that the other companies weren't ready yet with their drivers for Vista, and that launching it would have problems and yet they STILL released it,"
* They lack understanding of real-world issues. For example:
"... they STILL released it, without waiting for everyone else to finish their software."
In the above case, the commenter doesn't understand that there are _many_ hardware manufacturers and they can't possibly create drivers for all the products they have released. Certainly not immediately, if ever. Also, the commenter doesn't understand that, even if some companies were going to release new drivers and Microsoft was going to wait until companies did that... where can MS draw the line on how long they have to wait? Maybe this is not a problem for Apple since pretty much everything a Mac user has is Apple.
* The commenter doesn't understand that, just like himself/herself, people are not endowed with reason. For example:
"This of course causing headaches and frustrations from a LOT of people who either paid for this very expensive, semi-useless OS..."
In the above case, if people went and purchased Vista without waiting for any reviews when there are thousands of sites reviewing these things as they're released, it's the people's fault for being careless and/or making uninformed decisions.
* The commenter will make further claims that will only make sense to "special" people. For example:
"... stuck with it when they bought a new PC."
First, when did people have a choice between the latest version of an OS and an older version of that OS? Secondly, as said before, people should have waited for reviews. Thirdly, Linux.
* More uninformed comments such as:
"Microsoft can't just expect everyone to upgrade all their stuff IMMEDIATELY to enjoy their EXPENSIVE VISTA."
If it ships with a new computer, then all promised components should be working. If they upgraded an existing machine then they should have checked for compatibility/drivers on hardware manufacturer's sites etc. without taking chances. Also, these sorts of problems have existed since the begining of Windows time... a computer is not an automatic swiss watch that you can pass on generations after generations. They break or get obsolete and you throw them away. If people shelled out a lot of money then what were they thinking?! You don't go buy an exotic sports car if you can't bare the running costs! Not if you're not stupid!
* Yet more uninformed comments:
"i've never seen an Anti-Virus program for Vista yet"
Here's a list of anti-virus programs that are certified for Vista:
CA Anti-Virus 2007
Kaspersky Internet Security 6.0.2.614
Kaspersky Anti-Virus 6.0.2.614
McAfee Total Protection 2007
McAfee Internet Security Suite 2007
McAfee PC Protection Plus 2007
McAfee VirusScan 2007
McAfee Wireless Protection 2007
McAfee SiteAdvisor
McAfee SiteAdvisor Plus
Norton Internet Security 2006/2007
Norton AntiVirus 2006/2007
Norton Confidential (on or after February 4, 2007)
Panda Antivirus 2007
Panda Internet Security 2007
Trend Micro Internet Security 2007
Trend Micro AntiVirus plus AntiSpyware 2007
* Lastly, like myself, you'll find yourself short of time to point out all the worthless/garbage claims.
Not getting the point...
by genotypewriter - 3/16/07 6:41 AM In reply to: User Incompetence by rellefnI'm not saying Vista's current users are at fault for its faults. I said MS makes operating systems like these because there are lazy people out there who want things to be perfect for them while not exerting any effort. And because there are users like these, MS makes bloated kiddy operating systems. Who's making you choose to use Windows? It's not MS.
So EASY > A Cave man could Do IT!!
by com2pc - 3/21/07 10:50 AM In reply to: Not getting the point... by genotypewriterFirst Me INVENT WHEEL... Then Me INVENT F I R E.. Now Looks like Im Gonna have to FIX VISTA. Or Maybe RE INVENT IT!!!
When Windows X P replaced Win 98 It was a Vast improvement INCLUDING COMPATIBILITY and software Drivers. MANY times after installing X P You dont even need them motherboard CD for peripherals such as sound and Video!! X P had added tons of DRIVERS which windows would search for and install for you.( for NEW hardware / software) !!!! So What happened with VISTA?? Did M S Get LAZY?? Why release and SELL a product to The Public that is INFERIOR to your previous O S??. Obviously M S wants to Lose customers.. Im Sure MAC and LINUX will be Greatful. I wouldnt have VISTA ona POPSICLE stick If They gave It to me FREE!! Not Only are There TOO MANY Incompatibility issues with software programs. There are BUGS ..And Not The least to mention. VISTA Is a H U G E RESOURCE > H O G...It is Never going to Operate Properly much less PERFORM on anything OTHER than a "State of the ART" (NEW Machine)..It Needs ( to perform at acceptable level) at least 2 gigs of DDR memory >> 4 is BETTER !!! It also needs T H E fastest Processor Your Motherboard can take!! So Keep in Mind IF You are thinking of "UPGRADING" From ANYTHING to VISTA?? You will be UPGRADING W A Y More Than just Your O S !!!And THEN You will stil have the BUGS and Incompatibilities! Y O U Cannot Blame ANYONE B U T Microsoft and Bill Gates for any and all of these issues!! I F Toyota made and sold their cars in such a manner?? Do You think That the Big 3 Auto makers would be worrying about sales?? Is It the 3rd party and hardware manufacturers fault That MICROSOFT Built an
E D S E L ?? I Think N O T.. It will be a "COLD Day In HELL", before VISTA goes On one Of my P C'S !! Or at least a very long time?? Like when Bill and M S pull their heads out of ???? The sand !
Hold the Forum
by brilo - 3/15/07 5:49 AM In reply to: Very True and I totally agree by rellefnVista has been out for about a year now through Beta's, RC1 & RC2, while the actual OS has been out for about two months. The fact that hardware manufactorers do not have drivers available is a direct result of their inability to give a crap about their consumers.
Your 3rd party product manufactorers want to benefit from you purchasing Vista compatable hardware, whether that's a scanner, printer, webcam, etc.. Afterall, these companies care more about profit than consumer satisfaction any day of the week (that's why you talk to Hindu Bob when something breaks, it's cheap!!).
For the user Photoham....please don't make a mistake and go to a Mac. You'll go from an OS with billions of applications that is generally compatable with anyone who wants to sell a product to an OS that supports one manufactors device (Apple). If you're going to switch, for the love of the Electronics God, please choose Linux instead. You'll thank yourself in the long run, it's very inexpensive, just as flashy and convienant and you'll be an Open Source Community rather than an uppity snobby one!
1 World
No MACs
by dandevil - 3/15/07 6:37 AM In reply to: Hold the Forum by briloXP is a good Microsoft product that gives me everything that I need right now for advantage in buisness and recreation. The wide usage makes it indipensible and MACs can't offer the compatibiity or divdersity that Windows does. I'll load Vista again in a year or two.
Dan
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