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Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs

by photoham - 2/12/07 11:26 AM
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Ultimately the USER'S responsibility...

by Rikki_78 - 3/15/07 5:38 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham

I considered an upgrade to Vista, particularly after my government organization's MSDN collaborative agreement allowed me to get a copy of Vista Business for free. However, after doing what ANY RESPONSIBLE USER should do, cheking my hardware and critical software vendors' website for compatibility confirmation, I declined to upgrade, mainly due to software compatibility issues.

I still use Acrobat Pro 6.2, some older video editing software, some older web editing software, and I play a few games that are a couple years old. Some vendors said that patches were forthcoming, and some vendors offered no updates whatsoever since there were newer versions of their software on the market. I didn't feel that purchasing that much new software (yet) was viable for me, just to play with a new OS.

The solution: DO YOUR HOMEWORK before upgrading. Don't cry and complain about compatibility when the compatibility checking software (free from Microsoft) tells you in advance that you'll have problems. Alternately, try creating a second partition to install Vista on and TEST YOUR STUFF!

Vista is ALL NEW, and MS doesn't hide the fact that there will be issues. It behooves users to be responsible and do their part so they don't dive head-first into a pool when they don't really know the depth.

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OS..upgrades..

by castingRod47 - 3/15/07 6:21 AM In reply to: Ultimately the USER'S responsibility... by Rikki_78

I have a XP-Professional Upgrade CD-->>SP2..it has not really been a good product in my PCs..I now run my XP-Home Edition SP2 instead of useing the XP-Pro Upgrade CD..I think the DELL DE051 is not really suited fopr XP-Pro(needs a P4)..I run a Celeron D[2.53GHz]..
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Because of this Product(Upgrade CD)..
When I built my own Conversion PC from a DELL 2350 Tower useing Intel Products I added the FULL Version of XP-Professional and w/a Pentium 4 3.0 GHz and HTT I get great results..
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I think when changeing your larger scale software for projects..like OSs or Multi-Media Software..there is a need for HDD consideration..
like a new purchase can add to the Novices approach to hardware problems..when upgradeing software..
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RAM Modules can be very tricky to work with..
I think I have the more serious consideration in attempting to understand Dual Channel RAM..or adding Modules later down the line..
Pentium 4 RAM..PC3200
Celeron D RAM..PC2700
Core 2 DUO..PC8500
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Pagefile Size..I now Re-Install my OSs with 512 MBs of RAM set To:System Managed SIZE..and readjust the PageFile To:CUSTOM=700MBs / 750MBs...regardless of RAM past 512 MBs..for 256MBs of RAM..I would remain at System Managed Size..but I have never been able to do VIDEO w/256 MBs of RAM..
SOOoooo.....use 512 MBs of RAM..as your Minimum..
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I strip out my PC for Installs/OSs have all the peripherals removed from the USB 2.0 Ports..and the PCI-slots also..
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But the newest INFO I have found was about the MBR..or the MFT..in the NTFS File System..the LINKS I saved from Microsoft seem to be useless today..
But..considering your old HD that ran some other OS..there is a possible flaw in its Un-Delete-able FILES..when you change your PC-system or even just UpGrade..
The FIX..or resolution.......reguires an External Enclosure..I have found the Belkin Ext. Enclosure to be the 100% best choice..cheaper models don't allow for Utilities to be signaled via the Enclosure LED..I quess if you've been useing Belkin this might not be a problem..you might want a cheap Ext. for this operation..
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In Adminstration Tools:
Disk Management:useing the FORMAT program choose DEFAULT..then Re-FORMAT chooseing 2048....check the HD Properties for a GAIN in space..if none..
Choose 512 Re-FORMAT..choose 1024 Re-FORMAT..choose 2048 Re-FORMAT..move to MY COMPUTER:and CHKDSK....run that Program..and then in MY COMPUTER:choose the HD on the USB 2.0 and Right Click for FORMAT again at 2048////this should be complete right there..you should notice a very-very quiet HDD..for IDE..drives..
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OK...placeing this HD back in the PC Tower requires that the OS CD already be in the TRAY..so you need a metal PIN to open the tray..
AND your BOOT DRIVE MUST have BEEN CONFIGURED..prior to REMOVING the HDD for the FORMATTING operation..the last PLUG(40-PIN)is your BOOT Optical DRIVE..
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I have had very good results with these practices..even useing a VIDEO Card w/Celeron D Processor at 2.53 GHz..for IEEE 1394 Capture..but have had ERRORS crop up when I just go too fast..
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For the New VISTA--OS..I would use a Single Partition..and a SATA HDD at 80-GBs Max.
I would not exceed the 120-GB System Drive..for single partitions..
Later you can configure something else..
I have found that the ORIGINAL Configuration / a good concept in removing problems later down the road.

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With Big $$$$ at stake

by larryd49 - 3/15/07 5:40 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham

Most of us are sitting with thousands of dollars in 3rd party software, and can't afford to upgrade just to suit Vista. Someone needs (Microsoft as well as vendors) to offer patches or upgrades that do not require consumers to go out of pocket each time an OS is updated.

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Correct

by dandevil - 3/15/07 6:41 AM In reply to: With Big $$$$ at stake by larryd49

Yep, straight buisness applications will cost me thousands to 'upgrade'. More than the the cost of new hardware if there isn't more patches forthcoming.
Dan

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Windows Vista Driver Incompatibility

by Dist6Tech - 3/15/07 5:50 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham

In my opinion, you shouldn't be so quick to go to the newest version of anything. Most of the time, there are bugs that need to be worked out. Before upgrading to a new operating system, you should always make sure that the devices that you are using will be supported. The blame should not be on Microsoft or the companies who haven't written the software for the new drivers.

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Windows Vista Bugs

by misfit001 - 3/15/07 5:51 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham

Sounds to me like Vista is working correctly and your 3rd party folks are shorting you.
My Vista machine is new and its peripherals all work....

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Vista is a great OS

by clydegraham - 3/15/07 5:55 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham

Blaming Microsoft for the shortcomings of the hardware or software out there....is like blaming Ford for the bad gas we get at Chevron....
I like many others have been using Vista since RC1 and havent had any instal or use problems....like an earlier post said...if you want the old stuff to work flawlessly, stay with an old os...if you want an improved os, get newer hardware...that being said, I have found it does work with all hardware I have tried it with.

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Sue Microsoft

by dandevil - 3/15/07 6:15 AM In reply to: Vista is a great OS by clydegraham

I think that you're right on the mark with your observations and opinions, all of them. I however will not be suing, I'm just selling my coppy on craigslist or Kijiji ad I'll get the new version in a couple of years when it all gets worked out and there is propper third party support and mass compatibility. I'm taking the same approach to the PS3 which will have a better model available for less money with many more titles that are of propper 'next gen' quality that utelises the full capacity of the cell processor.
Dan

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Microsoft Must Be 100% Responsible

by author20 - 3/15/07 6:03 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham

When we saw this impact Win 95 and other releases, the ultimate blame was always on Microsoft.

Accountability and responsibility ultimately must be assigned to the developer of the OS. Nobody else can be blamed if users and organizations refuse to use Vista based on Vista's inability to suport applications. If the OS does not sell, stockholders certainly are not going to blame AOL, Seagate or Adobe. It seems that Microsoft is indifferent about popular and critical applications and devices not working with Vista.

Stockholders rightfully will blame the OS developer for a lack of driver development support.

If no applications work with Vista, and there is no effective driver conversion toolkit, it is 100% Microsoft's fault.

If Microsoft does not give enough information or time to develop drivers -- it is 100% Microsoft's fault. If Microsoft can't develop a quick and easy driver converter for developers and users -- what does that say about their understanding of application support, and their competentcy in software development?

Bottom line -- poor application support for Vista will cause the market to:

1. Boycott Vista, continue using Win XP and resist upgrading, just like users have done in the past when Microsoft is too quick to release. IT managers talk to each other and if the OS is not deployable without impacting applications, they don't upgrade to Vista. Consumers don't need to organize. This type of boycott is natural and market driven.

2. Move to Macintosh and even Linux on the desktop and server.

3. Divest all Microsoft stock

4. Sue Microsoft -- even if the fine print releases Microsoft from liability -- the public relations affect of a class action lawsuit will cause Microsoft a lot of PR damage -- resulting in reduction in stock value, and loss of sales.

You see -- the market makes the rules, not the actual party deemed resonsible by the law. If Microsoft doesn't know why they are more popular than Macintosh, they need to learn the hard way.

For years, since Craig Mondiexecutive who declaired at the CES 2002 -- that "if users want security, they must pay for it..." I realized that Microsoft sometimes seems to lack technical competency.

The release of Vista without adequate compatability with applications or driver support is truely inexcusable. It is enough to demand the heads of the marketing professionals who engineered the pre-mature release.

Sales are horrible, and Microsoft is blaming everybody else. This is like the host of a party not serving food or beverage, blaming the guests for the failed party.

I am still amazed that AOL won't work with Vista. That tells me that relations between Microsoft and AOL are non-existant. Hostile. It also tells the world that AOL is completely mis-managed. Vista users have a huge encentive to cancel AOL, as if AOL's rogue business culture, massive fraud, abuse and violation of security and privacy is not enough to cancel AOL.

I find it amazing how management of major corporations like Microsoft and AOL can get away with such extreme incompetency. And stockholders sleep right through the business equivalent of the Exxon Valdez oil spill. For those too young to remember this preventable disaster check - Wikipedia. Captain Joseph Hazelwood was drunk. What is Microsoft's excuse? What is the board of directors at Microsoft and AOL doing? Blaming other parties for the Vista disaster?

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I see an opening

by TJGodel - 3/15/07 6:11 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham

I purchased a laptop recently and I didn't want Vista, because I figured that I would let others do the debugging for a few years. Consider all the problems with Vista drivers what is the difference between Vista and some versions of Linux which have driver problems? At this point I think Linux maybe better. I plan to use VMWare to run other operating system and eventually migrate to another operating system.

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Vista and Windows Live OneCare did work together for me

by haleledge - 3/15/07 6:15 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham

I have wondered if the problem has been Microsoft or the other vendors of software and hardware. That is why when I was fighting a problem with Norton on my Vista computer I thought I'd try OneCare, Microsoft wrote it so it should work seamlessly. Wrong, after a couple of weeks it told me it needed to be updated. When I tried to run the update it wouldn't work. I finally un-installed it and downloaded AVG. So far so good.

My HP adivisor told me to update two drivers, one for sound and one for the muli-media drive. After trying to update the sound, I ended up with no sound at all. I had to go back to windows hardware manager and let if find a driver that would work. The media driver has never installed right, it gets close to the end and then just tells me it didn't work.

I'm lucky, I have a few Mac computers that don't have any of these issues. I have to use Windows for my work programs though.

Microsoft can get it right, like Apple has, when they have control of the hardware and software. I love my Xbox360! And just like my Mac, it just works.

Hal

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Agreed

by dandevil - 3/15/07 6:33 AM In reply to: Vista and Windows Live OneCare did work together for me by haleledge

As you said, when they have the controll of both the hardware and the software, they are impossible to beat. XBox 360 rocks! Right now it'
s a far better go than PS3. In time though I think that the Sony will out do the Box. Microsoft will fix Vista and the support and compatoibility issues will go away in time but for now I'm sticking with XP which is a quality Microsoft product.
Dan

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Really get real... this has happed before several times.

by Cythrawl - 3/15/07 6:20 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham

Look, everyone is whining and pointing the finger of blame here, along with ppl ssaying "im gonna buy a mac" or "Im gonna use Linux" whatever....

Look, this happened when M$ went from DOS & Windows 3.1 to Windows 98. There were TONS of incompatibilites. But it all worked out in the end, vendors released drivers, software, patches a couple of years later everything was rosy once more...

Then Microsoft Released Windows 200... Again problems cropped up, everyone bitched and whined (again). A year or two later, again everything was rosy again.

It happened with XP and to a degree XP Service pack 2. Now everyone who uses windows loves XP and hates Vista because its new and has incompatibilites.... Well no sh*t!!!

I for one did some research before I installed Vista, I looked at all my hardware vendors to see if there any problems (after all the Internet forums are great for that). I also checked all my software vendors to see if they had any patches/updates for the software I use.
I have no problems because I did some research first.

No Antivirus???? WTH??? Use AVG its free and supports Vista fully

Why use AOL Security when a Router firewall coupled with Windows Firewall is more than enuff?
Use Windows Defender, AdAware and Spybot... they all WORK under Vista...

Its not Microsoft's fault that Vendors dont have drivers ready, etc.
The OS was in BETA for like 4 years.... 4 YEARS and the Release candidates have been around for at LEAST 8 months....

Look at the cuurent situation with nVida's Nforce 4 Hardware Drivers (When using the NVRAID STRIPE)... they are broken, and an average Joe cant install them as you have to do it all manually. If you use the installer it breaks the Vista install... M$'s fault.???? Hardly... thats nVida's fault..

Those who switch camp will be dissaponted too when the next major update comes out.... It will be the same with the Mac once they release their next major OS (OSXI perhaps) you will find it will be centered around thier new hardware at the time its out and yet again you will find incompatibilites (ooh its the same story all OVER AGAIN).. People will ***** and whine again but at Apple and threaten to move camp... again..... The circle of progression I guess.

Please get real, do some research (maybe even try it, borrow a copy from a friend, do a dual boot.. Vista gives you a 30-day grace period without a key before requiring activation)... Seriously you are all blowing this way out of whack..

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oops

by Cythrawl - 3/15/07 6:22 AM In reply to: Really get real... this has happed before several times. by Cythrawl

DOS & Windows 3.1 to Windows 98 <--- sorry meant Windows 95 not 98.. :)

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Drivers are manufacturers responsability!

by Francisco Costa - 3/15/07 6:20 AM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham

As far as I know the drivers are equipment manufacturers responsibility, most of Windows XP users were used to have most of the drivers included in the O.S. but its has never been Microsoft responsibility to provide those drivers, it was just a kind of extra. Remember the old times of Windows 95 or even 3.0, all hardware you'd bought came with some drivers disk, so know its seems were going back to that time. If, and I believe they did it, Microsoft provided hardware manufacturers the means to produce Vista compatible drivers than you know who to blame...
Well I suppose you can blame Microsoft for one thing, tricky advertising, its easy to say that the O.S test hardware for compatibility with Vista and then people realize that they can't really run Vista even when they're PC is said to be compatible..
For me no update to Vista, I discovered the Open Source World and don't mind to struggle on installing drivers to get some haerdware working in my Linux, anyway its seems that's what going to happen if I buy Vista, and Open Source community seems to develop drivers faster than the hardware manufacturers.

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