Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
A week eh?
by nevido - 3/21/07 9:09 AM In reply to: Vista upgrade by alysteruptonWonder what you could have been doing if MS had done their job right.
Driver incompatability
by kroot10105 - 3/14/07 10:01 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWhy produce a new OS if it is not compatable with present hard ware and soft ware drivers. Is it realy worth the money time and effert to install Windows Vista if it is incompatable with third party vendors. Microsoft is so large it figures every body should conform to Microsoft. MY NEXT COMPUTER WILL NOT BE A PC.
Of Course It's A Microsoft Responsibilty!
by IanRobbo - 3/14/07 10:02 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamTo say that MS doesn't have to carry the blame for incompatibilities (software, drivers and hardware) is rubbish. It's like buying a new washing machine only then to find out it isn't compatible with the local power voltage! Do we then say it's up to the power company to alter its supply - or do we stick it up the washing machine manufacturer!
The question is a no brainer of course. So what is the differnce if the "washing machine" happens to be a new O/S?
We use our computers to do stuff; to work more effectively and efficiently. If MS (or any other software producer) tells us that there's an upgrade available to make getting stuff done even easier, then it is very much their responsibility to make sure the upgrade works properly. Why upgrade otherwise?? (Neither I nor my Company will move to Vista until and unless this situation is resolved by MS!)
Users are NOT software engineers. We only want to get our work done.
Vistas not to blame get real
by Spywell - 3/14/07 10:22 PM In reply to: Of Course It's A Microsoft Responsibilty! by IanRobboMicrosoft has always been about compatability. They have always tried to get everything to work with everything. Every Operating system that comes out comes with the most common drivers like mouse printer keyboard and you get basic functions. If you want more functions you go to the MANUFACTURER website to download drivers for that device. Its not microsofts fault has anyone considered the 3rd party? They want money, If they can make money off vista it makes them happy. So the 3rd party comes out with drivers for their newest hardware forcing you to buy thier NEW product and trash your OLD INCOMPATIBLE product. Without 3rd party to make their product compatible your item is useless. I bet you wont see drivers for graphics cards over a year old but all the new high dollar cards will have vista support. I would personally wait until the next vista update before I consider buying it. I waited until service pack 2 to get XP just on my laptop my other 3 desktops still run ME. I would still never consider getting a mac over small things that will work themselves out. I also have recently upgraded my scanner and printer and got an All-In-One HP and its fairly new and fully supported with vista.
Windows Vista
by burtel - 3/14/07 10:10 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI built a machine very capable of running VISTA, but I'm not going to get involved with it until these "Compatibility" problems disappear.
Don't blame Microsoft the same thing happend with XP!
by Bro.Bob - 3/14/07 10:11 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWow did you know this same thing happened with XP OS and it
all worked out after few months so not to worry.
folks said and did the same thing with the XP upgrade, I would
dare say Vista will be the same way but much faster to fix!
How is Mac going to help you? they upgrade everything with
every new OS my Brother just got G-5 and has had no problem
with the new Mac software, lot his old software will not work
from his old Mac so how is this an advantage? you tell me!
I'm going to wait tell all the big companies get on board
like ATT and Time Warner and they will get on board there
is money to be made!
I will be getting my OS already installed this will help
cut down on bugs.
when I was upgrading to XP everyone told me that HP would
never have drivers for my old printer and scanner but after
few short weeks
they did and I downloaded the drivers all was sweet and
happy again.
I have looked at the cost to upgrade my PC for Vista or
just get new one and I guarantee it will cost less then
3000 grand my brother paid for his G-5!!! it do everything
I want in video and audio multimedia that I want do, for
about 1000 that's 2000 savings from the Mac!
its No brainer for me lot more bang for your buck and the
bugs will be worked out of Vista.
The Whole industry dropped the ball...
by Mick0706 - 3/14/07 10:12 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamBefore people go blaming the third party software developers, maybe they should consider that Microsoft was the one that developed a new operating system and didn't make "it" compatable with the existing software that was already on the market.
Why should I have to go out and buy a new version of software I already have just because Microsoft can't be bothered to make their new operating system compatable with my word processing software or games that are a couple of years old.
This seems to me almost like it is an industry wide conspiricy to sell more software, regardless of the amount of money you spent on the software you already have. How about showing some loyalty to people that have already purchased software from these third party venders. Release updates available to all existing customers that require them and make them free.
I purchased two HP DV8140us notebooks 13 months ago at a total cost of a little under $4000 and it bothers me that in 12 months time the operating system on these computers will no longer be supported. At two years old these things will effectively be useless unless I "upgrade" to Vista. Upgrade my a**.
My verdict....So far I am not at all impressed with the way Vista has been pushed onto us and bugger the ones that don't want it. Come on!!!!!!!! Most of us computer users have spent alot of time and money on our existing computers and I think it unfair of Microsoft and the third party venders to expect us to shell out more just because they think we should, especially when we are happy with what we already have.
When I buy a new car, I don't expect the dealership to stop servicing and carrying out maintanence on it just because they have released a newer model. Nor do I expect the manufacturer to stop making and supplying replacement part just incase something needs fixing. Yet microsoft are trying to make me buy a new "car".
Microsoft Messed up
by jimboscomp_com - 3/14/07 10:22 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI believe it is Microsoft's fault for creating an incompatibility problem here. BAck when Apple said it would make the switch to Intel platforms, they knew there would be compatibility issues, so instead of saying "well sorry you have to wait for the 3rd party to come out with a compatible version, they built that Rosetta to convert PowerPC programs to Intel language in the background. It does run a TAD BIT slower, but the programs work. If Microsoft had implemented a similar process, there wouldn't be this problem.
Why Vista or Mac OS?
by jdwhite5 - 3/14/07 10:28 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamMS has been tooling up for VISTA for a v-e-r-y long time and subtracting features, altering the OS, delaying release, etc. throughout that period. If it weren't for [a] typical keep-your-cards-close-to-the-chest ultrasecrecy by MS and desire to keep real or imaginary competitors off-balance since, uh, forever....MS could have enabled third-party suppliers to offer appropriate drivers for current and legacy hardware and ......tah-dah: FUTURE hardware releases.
If I admired closed OS secrecy, I would go with Mac OS-X or wait a few months, swallow hard, and go with Vista. I have two other and better choices: [1] stay with Windows 2000 on my steady antique computer and semi-solid XP on three others until hell freezes over or [2] start migrating everything worth attention to Linux (Linspire and/or Ubuntu).
I am staying with these two. When my elderly but stable Dell laptop finally turns belly-up, I'll have to get another one. Dell's 800 number for business offered a Latitude with XP last week for about twice what Gateway or Toshiba offers in prices and features. My answer is to go with a non-Dell computer, pay for the unwanted Vista Home Premium, and boot off Linspire or Ubuntu.
End of rant.
J
my solution
by gutt96 - 3/14/07 10:36 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamMy solution to the whole problem of MS Vista incompatibility with software?? Sure, I switched to Ubuntu Linux. No problem.
In my opinion, MS is not to blame...
by Ed-duh-win - 3/14/07 10:40 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI don't believe Microsoft is being treated fairly here. It is their job to develop an usable next-gen OS; it's not their job to make sure everything is compatible with the new OS. The third party developers should have had enough time to prepare for Vista - after all, it was the largest beta program of its kind - so blaming the incompatibility with Vista on Microsoft isn't fair. Of course, older machines won't be able to run Vista - but then, it was the same when XP came out. I believe it demanded a minimum RAM of 64MB - when PC RAMs were still in range of 16-32. Now, I may be wrong here, but my point is that Microsoft is not to blame for 100% of the fault. Look at those third party developers who did their homework and produced a program compatible with Vista.
Vista Launch
by nomadd74 - 3/14/07 10:41 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI did read as CNET recommended all about Vista, and I decided that it was not for me, since the upgrade involved so many alterations. I too am not that technical. Therefore, I am going to stick with XP which I perfectly happy with.
Nevertheless, I think it's about time that Microsoft organised better instructions when upgrading, or changing programmes. Why not have all new information given out in layman's language as well as technical.
My friends tell me that Macintosh is streets ahead of Microsoft and that you receive excellent advice and backup.
Guess my next PC will be a MAC!
Nomadd74
Windows Vista Bugs
by LouisRVazquez - 3/14/07 10:43 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI fervently believe that Microsoft should have ensured that older software and hardware would run on Vista. We poor old PC users can't afford to go out buying new software and hardware just so we can use Microsofts latest OS. I'll stick with XP thankyou, I know what will run on that and fancy GUI's never really grabbed me and that' all Vista offers.............Dave
Who's fault really
by stueyg - 3/14/07 10:57 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWhen you load Vista onto a computer then there a limited number of scenarios...
1) Its a new computer with Vista loaded on from scratch. In which case if you are buying a brand new computer (and Vista has fairly high requirements) you're laying down plenty of money so can and should be replacing any other old software too. New versions of software should work fine with Vista; if they don't then blame the vendor. If there isn't a new version then why not? Is the program no longer needed?
2) It not a new computer and you're upgrading. When you put the Vista DVD in the first MS tells you to do is run the compatibility checker...
2a) You choose not to run the check - any problems are your own fault.
2b) You run the checker, get told there are problems but proceed anyway - its your fault as you ignored MS's warning and chose to accept the problems.
2c) You run the checker and there are no known issues, so you install then discover problems. In this case contact the vendor who controls the problem software; if they have an update to fix the problem then get it. Considering the cost of buying Windows the cost of most other software is minimal (if you didn't pay for Vista then you don't deserve help, or sympathy, from anyone).If there isn't an update or fix then the vendor is responsible for contacting MS and getting their software included in the compatibilty checker.
It only becomes Microsoft's fault when the vendor tells them there is a problem and they decide not to include it in the compatibilty checker.
Mostly Micro$oft is to blame
by rellefn - 3/14/07 11:04 PM In reply to: Who's fault really by stueygM$ should have made sure Vista was backwards compatible with XP so that any software or hardware that worked with XP, would still work with Vista.
From my point of view, Vista is a total waste and I feel sorry for anyone who has it. It's not really any kind of improvement, aside from a couple of "bells and whistles" graphic feature, (aero glass), and it is a real resource hog. Making it virtually unusable without significant hardware upgrades. In a test lab training, we had Vista running on a machine with 512MB, (which MS claims as the minimum req). It ran, but just booted to the OS, not running any other apps, it used up over 400MB of RAM. That doesn't leave much for other things.
I work as a tech support specialist for Gateway Business Systems. Besides all the compatibility issues, sometime on or just prior to last Sun (3/11), there were some Windows Updates to Vista, which people got on their machines, (many w/o even realizing it). These updates caused Vista to crash and they were booting to the BSOD. Did MS miss people getting this and that is why they sent this latest update. We have had numerous calls all week with this same problem. Fortunately, it only took a couple days before we had a fix, booting to the OS DVD and running 3 DOS bootrec commands, that resolved the issue. But how many people aren't going to get this? How many people are going to reload, and loose all their data. Or maybe even worse, reload and not realize that Vista, by default, (unless you delete the existing partition during the reload), just installs another copy of Vista on the HDD. I had one customer who wound up with 4 copies of Vista on his HDD before I got him. I walked him thru a reload, deleting the partition, then making a new one, then loading Vista. After we turned off automatic updates.
All that said, there are some unscrupulous vendors who are taking advantage of this situation to bleed customers dry. One of my customers told me that his copy of QuickBooks would not run on Vista. He was told by Intuit that they would not be releasing a patch for this and he would have to purchase their latest version. This smacks of nothing more than a way to try and force people to buy software they would otherwise not need. I fully suspect a major conspiracy of collusion between M$ and hardware/software vendors.
It is so bad, another customer asked me how could he reload his system to XP, as he also owns a full retail version of XP.
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