Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
Software companies not given access
by Brewdawg - 3/14/07 8:39 PM In reply to: vendors given total access by potter875I am certain your software developer (3rd party vendor) is telling the truth. Microsoft does not give these developers an open source to work with so they rely heavily on MS to give them what they need to make their software run on the Microsoft OS (whatever its current iteration). These software developers have no incentive to delay their "fixes" so that their software will run properly on Vista.
Don't forget, Vista is not another piece of software, it's the Operating System! Imagine having to buy a new engine for your car every 5 years and then finding out your radio doesn't work anymore or your windows won't roll down (pun not intended).
Now imagine that the radio manufacturer doesn't have the secret schematics to that new engine and must ask the engine manufacturer for help. But the engine manufacturer may have a competing product or they are working on that next new engine you'll need in 5 years (whether you need it or not). Do you think these other companies are at the top of the list for help? Probably not.
I don't plan on "upgrading" my OS to Vista unless I'm forced to. With any luck, by then, I'll be looking for a Mac.
Mac will be doing the same thing
by dbattles1954 - 3/14/07 8:51 PM In reply to: Software companies not given access by BrewdawgMac is doing the same thing. They are in the business of selling their product. Once they both understand that they cannot do it all and begin to work together, then things will be better. The regulator's zeal to maintain a level playing field is causing some problems however. It is like letting a high school graduate go straight to the pros. Some will make it and some will not, but if you regulate that they cannot not talk about it, everyone loses. Some software and device manufacturers are like the high schoolers that won't make it.
So, why Vista software is compatible with XP?
by poriland4 - 3/14/07 10:58 PM In reply to: Software companies not given access by BrewdawgI bought the 2007 version of Office and is perfectly compatible with XP. Why this is true and not the other way? Aren't drivers only applicable to hardware not software?
Software shall be gradually improved thru the years, not a jump in evolution in one shot. I don't think birds evolved from dinosaurs overnight.
Another couple of points...
by cynicalliberal - 3/16/07 10:27 PM In reply to: Software companies not given access by BrewdawgIts highly unlikely that any commercial vendor will just "give" their entire source code to engineers for every software company that exists and I'd be horrified if they did... Windows is the most used OS in the world and the one with the most viruses coming out for it... It'd only be a matter of time before that source fell into the hands of people with malicious intent. (Or with what they're more concerned about, cloning their operating system.)
Windows does not need to be made any LESS secure, they already struggle with that enough. With that said, its not like Microsoft has a special site that has developer tools for Vista or anything... Oh, wait yes it does.
Personally I'd much prefer that all the radical changes come up front rather than requiring that I install a massive service pack that is essentially a new OS a few months later... But that's just me.
I'm not exactly Microsoft's number one fan, but I think there's more than enough blame to go around. Plus, the fact that a new Windows OS doesn't work perfectly out of the box isn't exactly unprecedented... I can't even remember if that's ever happened. ALWAYS wait a few months before buying any new OS, there are always bugs waiting to be discovered. I'm not at all surprised by these issues, same thing happened with XP SP2 and so on...
Then again, I'm in the process of switching over to linux so it doesn't really effect me and XP is good enough for whatever I can't do on there. =P
Microsoft haven't tried hard enough
by WyndhamClampett - 3/15/07 1:22 AM In reply to: vendors given total access by potter875I have no doubt at all that Microsoft is largely to blame.
They knew full well that there were going to be problems with software and hardware compatibility and so they should have put extra effort in getting the appropriate information out to the relevant companies. Instead they have done the opposite if all the reports are true - and I believe them.
Almost every time Microsoft have released a new operating system, and sometimes even just upgrades, there have been compatibility problems. In the past there have been accusations that they have deliberately changed code to make some programs (like Wordperfect) inoperable.
I have no intention of upgrading to Vista for quite some time even though I am usually an early user of new versions of software. This time, NO!
It isn't for lack of trying
by Frodo420024 - 3/15/07 1:50 AM In reply to: Microsoft haven't tried hard enough by WyndhamClampettAs anyone who followed the painful Longhorn process, the problem isn't for lack of trying. Their (highly skilled, BTW) developers fought for years to make the pig fly, as they said. They fought an uphill battle entrenched in an outdated development process.
Eventually they failed. Allchin (sp?) went to Gates repeatedly, asking to scrap the Longhorn code, because the process just wouldn't carry trough. Eventually real life proved him right, and he was authorized to start the entire development process anew. That was a crunch, as deadlines had been obliberated en masse, and they needed to ship the new product as fast as humanly possible.
They succeded. In shipping, that is. Getting all developers on board and getting all the loose stuff in order dinn't play out that well.
MeThinks the whole 'big bang' approach to OS releases is broken. If your basic stuff is OK (and computer science is well advanced in this field), only adjustments should be needed. If your core is broken, you have a problem. A real problem, even for a software giant. I'm not sure which is the case here, if the XP core was basically good enough, but the big bang thing, the ad campaign etc. rings a bit hollow.
With the successor for Vista scheduled for 2009, the incentive to upgrade an existing XP-based computer is minimal. MS also just guaranteed a long lifetime for XP (was that 2014?) I'll stick to my (XP) guns.
How many Unix distro's are not properly supported
by droolin - 3/14/07 8:12 PM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidI lay this right at the vendors feet. They knew VISTA was coming out, they had plenty of time to get ready. Their excuse with other OS's was that Microsoft was the OS of choice. Well, they are showing that they arent even willing to support that operating system.
Us that use multiple operating systems(I use FreeBSD also) have had this issue with drivers for a LONG TIME. Again, THIS IS ALL THE VENDORS FAULT.
Dan
I agree
by mezafg - 3/14/07 9:17 PM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidIn the fulture, all who write about Micro$oft should use the dollar sign when typing. I understand that Mico$oft is a for profit company, but when they screw up (like window ME); they should have given a discount for ME user's to up grade to XP. As a new computer user, I did not know that all of the problems with $1400 Dell were because of ME. When I upgraded to XP my outdated computer worked better then ever! I do not know how many people have MSN, but I got one year free when I got my Dell. I did not know any better so I keep it. When MSN 8 was released, I install it and my computer all but shut down! I no longer use MSN and I never even thought about upgrading to vista. I know Micro$oft's track record on new software (ME & MSN8). I will never trust Micro$oft again!
you are partially right
by knight2448 - 3/14/07 9:53 PM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidI agree partially with you about your blast of microsoft. They do not make sure there products are at least stable enought for release to the public. They do have to answer to their shareholders, perhaps a bad point to going public with a company.
The point where I do not agree is the fact that there are a few companies that were leading the way for the vista launch like ROXIO, they had an update for media creator 9 as soon as vista came out. Look at LEXMARK, EPSON, and ATI
LEXMARK has no specific date when drivers will be available for some of their printers and they have drivers available for other printers.
EPSON for the most part has provided drivers for their printers. At the release of WINDOWS VISTA they had almost no drivers available but they have gotten their act together.
ATI has no software available for their video cards that have tv tuners built in. They said they do not know when they will have software for the tv tuners. They do however have drivers available for the video cards.
I suppose there are a long list of third party hardware manufacturers that have not gotten with the program and have not released or are not working on compatible updates.
DON"T BLAME MICROSOFT TOTALLY.
A Piece of a Pie - Everybody cashing in
by mercerik - 3/15/07 8:00 AM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidWithout Microsoft, where will we be today? I don't know if you notice that a lot of software companies come up with a newer version of their softwares everytime Microsoft comes out with a new OS. Do you know why? They want a piece of the pie. I would not put the blame on Microsoft. It is not microsoft's responsibility to fix incompatibilities with the third party older version softwares. Why are the third party software companies not standing by their older versions and create a patch to solve a problem? The answer is MONEY. If they don't provide a patch, what will the consumers do? Of course, buy a newer version. Don't blame microsoft for bringing new technology into this world. We have to move forward and not stop improving just because.........
Microsoft Haters UNITE!
by jkelley063 - 3/15/07 8:04 AM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidI'm a software developer and an MSDN subscriber. The Vista SDKs & DDKs have been available for over a year now. The first ones I received were still codenamed "Longhorn". If you can't recode a driver or a software title in that length of time you have other issues. Especially since the W32 kernel hasn't changed that much and most revisions are about security and working with the new GUI. We do software apps. and making them Vista compatible wasn't that big of a deal. Maybe the hardware guys are having a harder time. We are where we are today because Gates' philosophy from the beginning has been "Code like there are no hardware restrictions, they'll catch up soon". That's why MS got out front early and stayed there.
Oh my God! Quit Whinning About Microsoft All The Time!
by pwest_99 - 3/15/07 8:50 AM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidYou know, I normally do not post on here but do review occasionally discussion threads. I finally have to say something about people complaining about Microsoft and in particular Vista. For years I have heard people complaining about Microsoft instead of some, if not many of these third party vendors who drag their feet developing drivers for an operating system that they know was coming out and still did nothing or very little about it.
Case in point. I just recently bought an ASUS A8N-E motherboard just recently, as well as a e-GeForce 7300 GS (256MB) video card, and 2GB of RAM, so that I could build a Vista Business computer and use it to its full potential. Hence the reason for the large video vcard and extra memory. I knew this going in because I was beta testing it for a while, as well. Now, as well of a reputation that ASUS supposedly has in motherboard technology they have dropped the ball with me. I discovered that the onboard sound did not work because ASUS "told me" that they have still yet to develop a sound driver for Vista as of this time, for this particular board. I will also tell you though, that if I use the Windows XP driver, it works. ASUS or any other manufacturer is quick to want to sell some Vista compatible motherboard that cost an arm and a leg at a price that most people do not want to pay. My next question back to them was, "and how long have you known about Microsoft Vista"? They did not reply back yet. So my point is, they are dropping the ball because they want to sell you some overly expensive motherboard instead of providing good customer service with a motherboard that is not very old. I’ll switch back to MSI after this.
I should also tell you that I own my own computer consulting business and like many of you, you have to deal with home and small business customers who want to blame Microsoft for being evil and not making things easier on them. To begin with, most home users have no clue on how to maintain their systems (Windows diagnostics tools built in the O/S), let alone how to use their computers. If it wasn’t for Microsoft and even Apple, most people known as home users would not be in existence to begin with. In other words, we would still primarily depending on mainframe computers at the big companies.
So in my closing let me just say, quit your complaining and quite being so cheap when it comes to upgrading your computers. If you choose to buy the latest and greatest software and even hardware, you are going to have to upgrade because technology is moving forward, not backwards. If you do not like Microsoft then quit continually buying their operating systems and other software applications. At least they provide update sites and alternative solutions/work arounds. This also goes for the technicians that work on it. Find another job, if you don’t like it or support other manufacturer’s software/hardware where they give you all the answers and you don't have to use your brain.
By the way, my Vista Business computer runs great and so far I have no complaints about the O/S at all. As a matter of fact, I absolutely love it. Maybe, that is because I and a few others out there know what we are doing. Home users and businesses need to hire people who know what they are doing instead of trying to do it themselves, when they are not even qualified.
give me a break
by CobNat - 3/15/07 10:43 AM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidit's ridiculous that you blame microsoft for third pary applications. The reason "other" systems (mac) don't have as many problems is becuase they want to own and touch everything and if they can't then they won't allow you to use 3rd party software. This is the result of an open operating system, vista, and a closed operating system, mac os. i don't like evil empires either but last i checked apple is winning that title 3 to 1 (using the iPhone name without permission, suing interns, not licensing software). i never thought i'd go to bat for microsoft but you know what, i applaud them for allowing 3rd parties to have access to the software and create new and innovative applications so i have a choice no matter what i do. it is entirely up to the solutions providers to upgrade their software for compatibilies for anything else (mac, pc, handhelds, phones etc).
Of course Microsoft is to Blame and yes I agree ... $$$
by Marthapartha - 3/15/07 12:22 PM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidTo be Microsoft approved and especially Microsoft Vista approved, the companies first and foremost must offer "Tribute" as well as be compatible.
Remember this is the company that not only approved but endorsed Starforce Copy Protection Software. Is there any question at all?
When I downloaded IE7 and found out Microsoft forgot completely about FTP access...is that the fault of FTP sites? Most everyone that pays for high speed internet has paid for their "personal web space" or FTP site. It is inaccessible with IE7, unless the user feels confident fooling around with the registry.
Release first, fix later. What's new?
As far as choice...most schools and most businesses still require Microsoft's OS' and software. Open Office will not do, Microsoft's Office (with ususally XP) is required. Not to mention the requirements of many ISPs.
Those that think there is a choice are deluding themselves. Microsofted PCs have more versatility and more options simply because Microsoft controls the market, and the courts.
If anyone can remember the lawsuits of almost seven years ago, including a class action suit brought about by several states, with a huge mountain of evidence against Microsoft...and how Microsoft wriggled out of it, knows that MS plays dirty and wins. That in turn makes life a little harder on all of us.
marf
vitsa
by wein300 - 3/15/07 3:35 PM In reply to: You bet your a@# Micro$oft is to blame! by wenidIf i remember right when xp came out the was a with problem with the soft ware hare ware comptablity. why woulkld this be any different. microsoft is in bussness to make money and we have the choise to buy of not to buy. Someime you must say when is enought is enought money but not once have i heard about mcdonald have a free day either!
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