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Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
Real facts
by srogoff - 3/14/07 7:01 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamVISTA is not ready for PRIME TIME> There are so may problems n ot only with drivers but with the operating sysytem. I'm tired of the blue screens, lack of drivers, lack of software companies being ill prepared. I spend more time fixing my computer than using it.
I made the switch to an iMAC. I've had a Mac Mini for awhile and that worked better than any pc I've had. Enough is enough. Quality is important and Micro0soft does not understand the word.
Vista
by Duneaholic - 3/14/07 7:02 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamNot only is there compatibility issues this OS is a total memory hog...my old 600 megahertz computer with 256 of memory on XP is only a little slower with my 3.2ghz with 1gb of memory with Vista...I hate Vista right now...oh yeah a lot of my apps show compatibility issues when I load them up.Yeah....Vista pretty much sucks.
Vista Abandons Historic Legacy Compatibility
by rcblinn - 3/14/07 7:03 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham3d-party vendors will have to address Vista compatiblity issues themselves, if they want to place their product on Vista platforms. That's their responsibilty.
However, MS clearly could have done a better job of providing backward compatibility. In the past, new DOS and Win-OS did a good job of running software and equipment written for earlier versions. I personally know of a corporate WinX-based LAN that still uses DOS financial software.
Vista's compatibilty failures can only generate reluctance to upgrade among those of us who have been into computing for more than the last six months. Of course, in three to five years, no one is likely to remember this debate, as a new generation of software and hardware will renger our angst a moot point.
You guys don't get it do you?
by scottwilkins - 3/14/07 7:05 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamOK, it's real simple, but I'll try to keep it as plain as possible. Windows is Microsoft's product.
There, got it?
NO?!?!? Gees! It's not Symantec's, it's not Intuit's, it's not anyone's OS but Microsoft's. DUH!
MS has been warning software vendors since 2001, and go figure, very few of them listened. If they had followed the rules MS put in place for Windows development, then 99% of all the problems seen would not be seen at all. Sure there had to be problems, they were forced by virus writers and us, the general public to make a safer Windows. So what would you prefer? A few problems, or an unsafe Windows?
Please for goodness sakes, get a clue before you start pointing fingers. OK? Get pissed all you want, it's still MS's OS, and not yours or anyone elses. Their OS, their rules. And don't even begin to tell me you would not do the same.
Warned? did you say warned? LMAO
by papampi - 3/14/07 7:40 PM In reply to: You guys don't get it do you? by scottwilkinsOk, they warned and warned and release beta after beta. For those of you who don't understand what it takes for 3rd party software to run with an OS, it takes time with THAT OS not beta rc 1 or rc 2 or rc 13.....the only build that matters is the final one, sure the beta's will get them some sort of idea where to start. Software companies had about 2 or 3 months working with the Final Build and some of them less than that.
Micro$oft understands their responsiblity that this will be the OS that 80% of the population will use, but they choose the typical corporate, back to the wall, with shoulders shrugged, spewing it's not my fault. I know it's mine and i'm responsible for it, but I'm not accountable for it, NOW PAY ME.....attitude...
It sickens me when I think of how the public has been raped by M$'s greed. It's a sad little company with no heart or soul....
Ok for those that stil don't understand
by cbcooper79 - 3/15/07 12:55 AM In reply to: You guys don't get it do you? by scottwilkinsOK, it's real simple, but I'll try to keep it as plain as possible. Windows is Microsoft's product.
So Micro$oft's problem
There, got it?
NO?!?!? Gees! It's not Symantec's, it's not Intuit's, it's not anyone's OS but Microsoft's. DUH!
EXACTLY! - So Micro$oft's problem
MS has been warning software vendors since 2001, and go figure, very few of them listened.
Many of them listened! THEY know from experience that THEY CANNOT issue new drivers OR new software until the RTM Release To Manufacture occurs, there are WAAAAYYYY too many changes until then.
If they had followed the rules MS put in place for Windows development, then 99% of all the problems seen would not be seen at all.
That's pure BS
Sure there had to be problems, they were forced by virus writers and us, the general public to make a safer Windows. So what would you prefer? A few problems, or an unsafe Windows?
YES, A few problems, and a SAFE Windows?
What have we GOT? - MANY, MANY problems and STILL an UNSAFE windows!!! To add insult to injury, M$ are now SELLING their OWN antivirus software! Why don't they FIX the PROBLEM instead - so we don't NEED AV software!!
Please for goodness sakes, get a clue before you start pointing fingers.
I have had my clues since 1975 before windows. I know what a good OS can and should do. Windows knocked out all the competition
it's still MS's OS, and not yours or anyone elses. Their OS, their rules.
BUT THEY KEEP CHANGING THE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regards
Peter
Windows Vista - What a mistake!
by acepilot999 - 3/14/07 7:07 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI have been waiting for Vista to come out for several months. With all the new security, drivers and features Vista offered, it seemed like a good choice to upgrade. I bought a brand new Toshiba laptop with vista installed and discovered that my engineering software (Mentor Graphics schematic drawing, PCB layout and HyperLynx signal integrity program) would not even load on Vista. Then, the Trans-Digital PCMCIA Parallel port I use to program FPGAs no longer works. Windows Xp supports this device, but Vista does not.
Lastly, the new security features on Vista are a joke! Every time you start up a program, a pop-up box appears that asks if you sure you want to run the program. Are you kidding? I just clicked on the desktop icon, and the OS can't figure this out? That's pathetic! Also, this dialog box sometimes pops up when a program is running - Very annoying.
Since I can't run much of the software I use for work every day, Vista makes my new laptop is practically useless! What a mistake it was to move to Vista - it's a piece of crap!
MS responsibility for hardware and software bugs
by Al38 - 3/14/07 7:07 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamMy response is from a different, brand-related, non-technical perspective.
It is very simple. If MS wants to position itself as the leader, and I underscore "the," then it should have taken these things into consideration. Instead it has given an opening to the compeption and indicated it has little or no repsect for its customers/subscribers. This is a sad day, especially for those of us who have respected MS for its leadership and are dismayed by its turning it back on us for the sole (and short range)sake of profits when many of us supported MS for its progressive and forward-looking thinking.
History repeats itself
by Jim Johnson - 3/14/07 7:10 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamfolks, I have been working with PCs since DOS 2.0. It really isn't a cliche to say that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Back in the early days of DOS, Microsoft published the entry points into the operating system for performing tasks. These entry points were not the routines, rather they were simply pointers to the current location of the routines.
Many programmers took great pride in knowing where the actual operating system routines were located and accessing them directly instead of using the published pointers. After all, their code ran leaner and faster.
Along came a new version of DOS with native support for newer hardware and better features. Microsoft dutifully supported all their published entry points, but many of the actual routines were relocated or simply coded differently.
Those programs that followed Microsoft's programming guides made the transistion without problems. Those that didn't suddenly stopped working after an upgrade.
Spin forward a couple decades.
When you deliberately bypass published programming guidelines, as Intuit has done for one example, it isn't Microsoft's fault.
As for peripheral support... I had equipment that stopped working after a Windows 98 upgrade. I had lots of equipment fail after upgrading to Windows XP. In both upgrade situations, the manufacturers declined to write new device drivers for old equipment. The attitude I heard then was 'too bad...you want the newer OS, cough up the cash for newer devices'. Why do people think this is any different under Vista?
What I do find objectionable is that many publishers/manufacturers waited until the commercial release of Vista to decide that they wanted a piece of the computer spending. These organizations have had an opportunity to work with the final programming requirements for Vista for at least a year. Of course many of these same organizations have been bashed soundly in user forums for their lousy tech support under Windows XP's reign, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised at the corporate attitudes regarding a new OS.
I'm just as frustrated with the whole Vista situation are everyone else - but I am not blaming Microsoft.
Windows Vista Bugs
by ashekumar - 3/14/07 7:10 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI think Microsoft released Vista too soon because of the bad publicity about the release date slippage. When you add the 64 bit version incompatibilities it get worse. It was a planned Microsoft strategy to release the product too soon with OEM arm-twisting to promote 32 bit version of Vista without informing the unsuspecting consumers. It is a typical finger-pointing response "Not-Me" the "Other-Guys" for dragging their feet in providing drivers. I think Microsoft and the OEM vendors are fully responsible for this deception
my 2 cents worth
by moooose102 - 3/14/07 7:12 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamfor what it's worth, in my opinion, if i (or you) purchased software that worked on a previous version of windows, it should work on vista with ABSOLOUTLY NO PROBLEMS! it does not matter who made the software, if it worked on windows 95,98,98se, nt, 2000, me, xp, xp professoinnal etc., etc. it should still work on vista. i have a heap of old stuff that has been sitting around since i bought my new computer (which was because i needed to replace a DEAD computer). i am waiting for microsoft to come up with a BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY PATCH or program, or what ever. should they be responsible for my other periferials, well, probably not, that is hardware. the manufacturer of the hardware should be responsible for making it work with vista. but on the otherhand, if vista was backwards compatible, they wouldnt have to. i guess i could see vista only being backward compatible for so many years, after all, if your software is from 1995, it is so far out of date that it needs to be replaced anyway. dave s.
It's just the MAN trying to take advantage.
by teacee90 - 3/14/07 7:12 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamOK, maybe that was heavy handed. The problem I see is that Windows/Microsoft does have somewhat of a monopoly on the PC market. When you buy printers etc. you expect to be able to still use them when you upgrade OS or get a new computer. Now if your printer is so old, it only prints on parchment scrolls in cuneiform, that's one thing. But to have a printer that worked with XP not work with Vista is a shame. It makes people like me for one, not upgrade to the new OS until they figure things out. Mac's don't seem to have problems with compatability like PC OS's do. With the new MAC ads on TV exploiting this fact, it makes me wonder about the future of windows. The public will only put up with so much.
It's just the MAN trying to take advantage
by rookwood - 3/14/07 8:12 PM In reply to: It's just the MAN trying to take advantage. by teacee90Just how far into the future should your OS and equipment be compatible. People do not realize how major an upgrade VISTA is.
The MAC ads are a joke! MACS don't have compatiblity issues, primarily due to the fact that most of their 'stuff' is proprietary. MACs only have to satisfy themselves...and that, my friend, is a very limited world.
Same ole...same ole. Same story 95 to 98 to ME to XP. Seems you guys are like the liberals...threatened to leave the country but just didn't happen! You'll all be here next upgrade with the same crying story because you didn't do your homework beforehand and want to point the finger elsewhere. I am not aware of a computer you can buy today that doesn't give you a choice of OS's. MS website has very good diagnostics available to determine if both your computer AND your software is compatible. You don't do your homework, you don't get the grades...don't blame anyone else!
Bottom Line
by JHouston - 3/14/07 7:17 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamThe bottom line no matter who is at fault when I pay good money for an OS I expect it to work right out of the box. Guess what, Vista don't even work in the box much less out of it. Period.
Is it a bug or a feature?
by bobborn - 3/14/07 7:17 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamIf the incompatibilities are a result of the fundamental change in how Windows handles security, then it's a burden we have to put up with for the longer term good. It still sucks, but it feels better if there's a reason.
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