I recently bought a Sony laptop that still Had Windows XP, in order to avoid this nonsense. Why should I pay to beta test the richest man in the world's latest software? I am not a technophobe as I have been using PCs since 1986. However, all programs and operating systems have flaws, therefore I will stay with XP until there is truly something better.
Had XP pro since it came out. Never crashed it. Bought a new box it came with vista crashed it three times in three weeks. Made a backup copy of the HD I plan to wipe the drive install XP and wait until vista is ready. I remember windows me, it would take allot to be worse than it was but Redmond sure tried.
I was once a diehard Windows fan myself. I've recently made the switch to Mac and I couldn't be happier. Make the switch, you'll love it.
I am a long time microsoft user and hater. I draw using AutoCad.(Another Story} The company I work for bought me a nice new Dell laptop with a 19" screen to work from home. Imagine my chagrin when after loading the software(AutoCad) and queing the start I received the message that there are known incompatability issues with windows Vista. ... Back to XP-Pro. Almost end of story. It took two days for the IT guy to get the laptop up and running because of equipment driver issues. As far as I am concerned it should be called anything but a good operating system. Give it 5 or 6 years and maybe the bugs will be worked out.
consider if you will when most of the hardware was made it was made for windows xp and earlier because companies knew of these os's so microsoft is to blame for not telling the companies years ago to design hardware for future os style to be relased and let's not forget about microsofts windows 7 they didn't want to be made public knowledge so I would say Microsoft should have written support codes for older hardware or given everybody the new vista or windows 7 for free as they have to go and buy new hardware to use these nightmare os's. So Far I have not found a capture card that is compable with Vista and it ruined the one I currently have is Microsoft going to comensate me for my lost ? well we all know a man don't make 77 billon dollars USD by fair play.
I to, like the original poster have used windows since 3.0, I don't have to put an x there I remember getting the 5 floppy disks with a new mouse I bought! And if he really has been around it that long, then this is nothing new. We went through it with Windows 95, 98, XP, 2003. Nothing has changed in that respect. What has changed about some of his complaints are easy, AOL is not really in business any more, I was an AOL member and got the letter stating that what I was paying for was now available for free, so that was the end of that.
Now whats the difference between this new version and the older "new" versions? I remember going nuts with a new CD-ROM drive that there was no driver for in Windows 95, I remember in Windows 98 anything made in 99 would not work and they were slow coming out with the drivers for that edition too.
While Vista has many many drawbacks, hardware isn't really one of them. I build, sell, and repair computers for a living, and have really had less problems then other versions. Thats not to say that Vista is the way to go, and I don't recommend it to customers at this point in time. But to complain about it after a little over a month of being out is a little unfair, and I can agree to some extent with the statement that the software people all got caught with their pants down on this one, they really thought it was going to get delayed again, Surprise!!
Now the rash statement to switch to a Mac. well sounds like to me someone has more money then good sense, you just bought Vista so throw it away on a new system then don't forget that leopard will be out soon, then you will be where you are now with the exception of being a lot poorer! Now lets shake things up, Mac will never be as good as PC's, real simple, look at the state of the art Mac, and you can buy an equal PC on ebay for a couple hundred, I know I can see the Mac users grabbing their keyboards now, but its true, look at the specs before you write, because I bet you I already have, ohhhh Mac is coming out with a dual core Intel, are you kidding? Thats makes them several years behind! Ohh but leopard will... uhhmmm no it wont all that Leopard will do is wait for the dust to settle from vista and so they know how much they can overcharge for their new OS just like Microsoft did! The New OS no matter which one will have problems, anyone thats been at this since before 2002 knows this, we all got spoiled by XP because any "new" editions were based on the same kernal, and after almost 5 years it is still getting it done, and the "Newest" XP the X64 edition is the best, it is based on the 2003 kernal and I love it, all that XP was supposed to be! If you want to find fault with the computer world today look no further then your mirror, as long as people keep sending mixed signals to the software companies then we will have this mess for a while, The 64bit systems have been around for a long while now (in computer time) and yet we still buy, and download 32bit apps, games, etc. "Yeah but they don't make 64bit.." Well duuhhh because the majority of the market keeps buying and downloading 32bit, because of the WOW (Windows On Windows) that allows 32bit to run on 64bit systems, if we stop then they will stop, first rule of business supply and demand, if there is no demand then who cares about the supply, go ahead look down at those stickers on your computer, you know what it says, you got the 64bit X2, the IA64, the 64FX, etc man it is fast it runs 32 bit Windows XP, Vista, whatever so fast, and you feel so good that your running at half speed, because you are using 32bit on a 64bit platform that is 5 year old software technology, you love the fact that you can whip around that $700 Adobe photoshop while only using 7% of your processor, now imagine if you were doing it at 3% because every one stopped paying so much for old outdated technology, so we only have one place to place the blame, or easiest way to say it, We have met the enemy and it is us!
On reading the "question provocateur", I'm reminded of that event of about 40 years ago when IBM incompatibly upgraded its operating system and told its customers they would really like the new OS once they had rewritten all their applications. IBM responded to these concerns by providing extensive compatibility in all subsequent releases.
Most manufacturers have reasons imposed upon them by the competitive marketplace to see to the compatibility of existing applications with the new operating system.
Microsoft, the convicted monopolist, may not feel those competitive influences as then-monopolist IBM felt them. Microsoft may intend, as it has in the past, to use these incompatibilities to defeat niche competitors, clearing the playing field for MS products. Microsoft may feel they have no significant desktop OS competitor to which they can lose market share. Microsoft may feel, after the slap on the wrist it received in 2000, that it can act with impunity.
This event may represent an opportunity for Unix to gain desktop market share. Unix has always maintained a high level of compatibility with existing applications.
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The only Unix left is Solaris. And I don't ever see a Solaris fanboy around here. Are you one?
Well I believe it's more the software manufacture problem than MS. But like Ford with the Explorer tire problems the car maker got the blame. MS has never been one to take the blame for anything, they always seem to blame someone else.
I'm still running ME and hate it and hearing that all the software and scanner/printers I have won't work with Vista has me holding off. If HP and others are saying they won't provide the upgrades because what you have is to old, than my replacement will not be one of their products. I don't have all sorts of expendable income to upgrade everything, it's bad enough for the CPU I want.
Guess I'll wait some more.... ![]()
windows has had control for many years hurting the little guy again and again and they are tring to get more control now more than ever before right. with this new ******** about leagal copies of their software. I bought xp an 64 and still I have to call an 800 number in india or where ever to reinstall which is a crock of crap since I purchased my copies but we will skip all that ********. I hope this is retaliation against microsoft by other venders to knock them off their high horse once and for all they suck and the whole world knows it and if you paid top dollar for an upgrade you need your head examined dont you. vista is the greatist scam to date.I will not buy vista and never will I am so tired of their ********. they are full of it and everybody knows it and stick direct 10 up your ass. you money hungry ****** at micsuck.
Now every time my wife's PC freezes or I hear that dreaded Windows keyboard chord (like I just did) or the blue screen of death shows up and we lose all her data, especially after a Windows update, or she gets an attempted spyware, virus or web page jack, I offer to buy a mac mini and close the home help desk permanently.
Since I switched, I basically stopped doing do it yourself help desk on my own computer.
Though I hesitate to apportion blame, it kind'a makes sense that because the OS is the main environment within which third party progs run, the working standard is determined by the OS's parameters. Consequently, the burden would seem to lie on the third party prog or driver being run within that OS environment to meet the compatibility criteria. Generally speaking of course.
It is fair to say, as someone already pointed out that third party prog/dvr vendors do require time to produce compatible offerings. Then again, in view of the delays prior to the release of VISTA, one would imagine that there has been ample time for the third party vendors to have prepared compatible progs/dvrs, or at least patches for current versions.
Hope all that makes sense to y'all. It does to me!
It is a well known fact that Microsoft charges the manufacturers of other software programs a heck o'lot of money so that they can get some of the source files to make their programs compatible with Microsoft! Bill Gates is now only the second richest man in the world.Looks like he wants to be the richest man again. Most companies are happy with Windows 2000 and do not want to follow every folly Bill Gates and Steve Balmer are coming up with. Steve Balmer had to admit that the sales of Vista are presently much lower than estimated. Sorry Bill Gates,this means several millions less in your pocket! For XP they came up with 'patches' shortly after the 'new software' hit the market and after that one patch after another had to be installed; I can not count the amount of patches. I presently encounter one crash after another with Office 2007. Same spiel, as always: Have people buy faulty software and blame the crashes on the computer manufacturer, who then blames Microsoft,correctly.
If the driver was certified to run on Windows XP and followed all the Microsoft guidelines for hardware drivers, then the blame lies with Microsoft (They should have remained at least a little backward compatible). If the driver has failed because the vendor was accessing Windows kernel code that no longer exists or taking advantage of some flaw to gain performance advantage which is now fixed, then the vendor is to blame. I don't think this is a cut and dry issue.
Having said that, I think that if Microsoft didn't have such a near monopoly with the OS then they would have worked much harder to ensure their OS was compatible with most common hardware. It should be the vendors that change their code, not Windows remaining archaic to support old drivers of vendors who refuse.
I have a small home network with four PCs running either XP Home or XP Pro, plus an iBook running Mac OS X 10.2.
I upgraded one of the PCs to run Vista Home Premium and it runs well enough on its own, but even with applying the necessary patches to get XP machines to see the Vista box, and to get the Vista box to see the XP machines, I cannot get machines from either side of the Vista divide to share the printers.
It has also been a pain with file sharing in that the Vista box will not let me copy files to a shared folder on any of the other machines, neither will it let me copy files from other machines to the Vista box. I have adjusted the permissions but no joy.
Now you might talk about how it is only important for other software and hardware distributors to make their packages work with Vista, but why does MS make it so darn difficult to even cooperate with XP machines?
My current solution? I've uninstalled Vista and gone back to XP - all network shares work again.
Anyone want to buy a copy of Vista with a slightly used COA sticker? (Just kidding.)
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