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Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
Vista does play well with an XP network
by jamesrasmussen - 3/14/07 9:44 PM In reply to: Vista does not play nicely with XP network by jimoctecI also have Vista on two machines and several other machines in my home network running XP Pro.
My printers are all on the XP machines and are shared on the network.
The only problem I had getting the Vista computers to print to the shared printers on the XP machines was to ensure that I had Vista compatible printer drivers for those printers available on the Vista machines.
Also I can share, and copy files between the Vista comptuers and the XP Pro computers and even with a Windows 2000 server. So you must have some problem with your network configuration.
By the way just like with Windows XP, Home editions of Vista do not have as many networking capabilities as business versions.
Mac all the way
by famessano - 3/14/07 6:46 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWell. I have to have some access to the windows format because I am an architect and work on architectural desktop.
Other than that ..I'm done with Windows and PC's. Now. as for the CNET editors comments that Microsoft should only be responsible for their OS.. NO. We don't live in a vacuum. Our computers interact with so many things it's like raising your child to function only in a room by themselves... but when they ventured outside...they fell apart... OK?? Got the picture.
I have had hours of my valuable time sucked away because I was working on some kind of PC glitch... Then I got my iMac... Did just what the commercial shows.. opened the box took out the computer - put it on my desk - plugged it in. Within about 15 minutes I even had posted a website with pictures taken at the moment of liberation from my PC and the tons of wires, giant CPU and hastle of configuration.... 
Learned from past experience.
by DickIV - 3/14/07 6:47 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamThe same thing happened when Microsoft migrated from Windows ME. There were compatibility issues then. I have found however, that there has been less problems swithching from Windows XP to Windows Vista. I went in with the attitude I knew there were going to be some problems and they would be resolved by the third party software and hardware venders.
So either go in with an open mind about the upgrade or do not do the upgrade.
Vista
by texass - 3/14/07 6:48 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamPeople we need to stop griping over capatibility issues.There's been plenty info on the internet to inform us on what's capatible and what's not.I had one driver problem only.It was for my Epson printer.Problem solved.i remember Xp had the same problems.It's the vendors job to update they drivers for new operation systems.I think Window's Vista is a good system.And lets not forget that Microsoft do offer many drivers also.Those that upgraded,All you needed to do was go to www.pcpitstop.com and do a Vista readiness test.it was there for XP as well.And Cnet posted a lot of info on it as well.
compatability
by mobe_45 - 3/14/07 6:48 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI think that any programs compatible with windows xp home, pro etc. should have been made compatible with vista. Windows making programs incompatible with the new vista should be resolved by windows instead of requiring the users to purchase new software programs.
Is it time for government intervention?
by Older than dirt - 3/14/07 6:48 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamAs much as I detest government interference with free enterprise, there are times when the safety and welfare of the population requires that the government establishes certain standards.
The government requires certain safety equipment on cars. The government restricts the public to specific frequencies and subjects power output to limits. The government bans dumping of toxic wastes into the soil and waterways of the nation. These regulations and restrictions have not always been in place, but the world is a much safer and better place because of them.
For the purposes of this discussion, nothing illustrates this point as well as television. When television moved from grainy black & white, to color, to the advanced systems of today, the government mandated that all systems must be compatible with all previous televisions. This was definitely not the most efficient solution for the inventors of new systems, but it was the best solution for the consumers.
This should apply to Vista, and all future operating systems. Any software that a customer purchases to run on any company's computer should run on all subsequent systems that company develops.
Why should the software manufacturers, and ultimately the consumer shell out hard earned money to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place? XP has the ability to operate as Windows 98 or before, in order to run older software... so Vista should have the same ability.
My Office Suite is from 2000, my PhotoSuite is older than that, and other programs are positively ancient. They may not have all of the newest bells and whistles, but they satisfy my needs and I don't want to pay for upgrades that I will never use.
I'm definitely a dinosaur. My first (home) computer was a Commador Pet, with no floppy drive, no hard drive, and a modified tape recorder for storing programs. Its RAM was a mind boggling 8K. I lived through the days when Apple, TRS80, and Commador battled to see which system would prevail... only to see IBM turn the computer world up-side-down, and make all of the rest obsolete. (Atari dropped out of the computer world and concentrated on games)
I don't want to go through that cycle of forced obsolescence again, so perhaps it's time for the FCC or some other agency to step in an force manufacturers to support their products and let them push all of their fancy new innovations onto the ever-expanding market of toys for those who want the latest and greatest.
dinosaur indeed
by pmchefalo - 3/14/07 6:56 PM In reply to: Is it time for government intervention? by Older than dirtI'm probably as old as you, and you're old enough to know better.
Government regs that all software must be compatible with every new product. What would Linux do?
Just like dinosaurs, that would mean: there are no new releases.
You missed the point...
by masterworx - 3/14/07 8:12 PM In reply to: dinosaur indeed by pmchefalo""Any software that a customer purchases to run on any company's computer should run on all subsequent systems that company develops.""
How would this apply to Linux?...we are talking about Microslut....
It would apply to Linux, Apple, or any other system.
by Older than dirt - 3/15/07 12:15 AM In reply to: dinosaur indeed by pmchefaloIf you purchase software for ANY system... all future upgrades of THAT system should run that software. No one is suggesting that the copy of "Step by Step guide to scratching your fanny" that you purchased to run on your Windows 95 machine must run on the new Mac you bought... but it should run on every computer with a Microsoft operating system.
Vista UGH
by WA2EW - 3/14/07 6:50 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamThe only way I would install Vista would be to purchase a new computor Period !!!
Windows Vista Bugs
by hpu1966 - 3/14/07 6:52 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamLook, would you buy a new printer, scanner, etc. that wouldn't work with your current operating system? Of course not! Why, then, would anyone buy Vista and render their software packages and peripherals inoperable? Why not just stick with what you've got, and let Microsoft come to you with fixes to allow you to use the expensive stuff you've already purchased and installed. Sheesh! Do we always have to buy Microsoft's latest products, or can we just agree that they aren't worth having and live with what we've been enjoying for the past many moons? Just my opinion, but I wouldn't consider feeding the coffers of Microsoft for Vista in any case, but especially not to have it cost me a bundle to buy new stuff.
Vista peer-to-peer networking => Microsoft's problem
by wfranklin20954 - 3/14/07 6:55 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamThe major incompatibility I've run across is that Vista will NOT do peer-to-peer (home) networking with either XP/2000 machines or Linux Samba servers without major retuning, which is *totally* undocumented in the Vista help files or (that I've found) in the MS forums.
By default, Vista uses a different version of the networking protocol (NTVLM2) that the other operating systems (NTVLM1), and requires that the Link-Layer Topology Discover Protocol (LLTD) be installed on *every* non-Vista machine. Additionally, there is some evidence that suggests that one must turn the Guest account and UPNP both ON, which is the exact opposite of what is recommended to secure XP/2000 machines.
So we have an undocumented Vista incompatibility which is Microsoft's sole responsibility. While NTVLM2 is more secure, the lack of a transition mode for Vista (where Vista would network like XP, until all the XP machines are phased out) and any automated conversion wizard is simply inexcusable.
Who's at fault? Microsoft or software manufacturers.
by glasscats - 3/14/07 6:55 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamJust my personal opinion, but I wouldn't invest in a new operating system for at least 6 to 12 months after it's release. It's usually been the case that between all the patches and fixes that occur during that time, you're too busy downloading them to worry about any existing software anyway. I don't understand why people are complaining about their software not being compatible with Vista. I downloaded the Vista Advisor at the onset, and discovered that at least a third of the software I have was not compatible, including my Norton Internet Security program! In other words, no thanks, I'm not up to fighting with a new OS until the bugs get worked out.
Beyond blame to dilemma
by manesg - 3/14/07 6:58 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamRegardless of who is culpable, software developers have software that does not work with Vista, and some have indicated that it will be 6 months to a year before they release working software.
Those who want to buy a new computer now - such as their current one has died, and they need a new one for their business - are in a dilemma. Companies such as Dell will not sell you a new computer with XP. It's Vista or nothing.
The hardware vendors are to blame also (maybe)
by porthome - 3/14/07 6:59 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI notice that the day after Vista announced, every bundle advertised has some form of Vista pre-installed (often the apparently unusable basic version). No obvious option to have XP instead. Maybe MS has them tied up with some kind of distribution contract and there is no choice, but I sure would like to be able to upgrade from an older machine to last week's state of the art, and get XP on it - which at least I know how to drive and that it works.
Perry B
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