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True scotts54 but...
by RodsterinFL - 3/16/07 5:15 PM In reply to: Macs and Viruses by scottss54That is true Scott but the reality is that there ARE currently fewer viruses for Macs and that is the point. Minority or not, Macs are excellent machines. The majority of people are ignorant but that does not mean igonorance is better. PC's are riddled with issues - hunting 3rd party drivers, constant security upgrades that, at any time can render a thrid party device unworkable. Microsoft, at its core is the problem and that is what people are saying. They cannot prepare the 3rd party world for their updates and companies have to "Figure out" what to do after the fact while consumers wait months and possibly years for a fix. I bought an Intel webcam and waited almost 2 years before the driver software was released for XP. Macs are different - all that stuff works because it is together and tested. People used to complain about Macs because they were so much more expensive but now there is very little difference in $$$. Now that Macs can run windows too it helps a lot of people who would be forced to run Windows for work etc. They can use the crummy OS at work and use the good one for the rest of their life - those that are forced to use MS. The mac is sold as an appliance almost but at least it works. After all, for what most people use personal computers for, the mac outshines a PC in simplicity alone.
Qui'cher gripin' - ya asked fer it, now ya got it
by istrijanac - 3/14/07 6:17 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWindows 3.0 & 3.1 Great operating system even though (maybe especially because) it ran on a DOS platform.
Windows 3.11 - not so much
Windows 95 ho-hum
Windows 98 same thing
Windows 98 second edition was terrific once the bugs got squashed.
Win ME and Win2000 failed experiments in combining Windows NT with Windows 98 interface. What an abortion!
Win XP is the only operating system I've liked that came out of Microsoft since Win98SE.
I've only just upgraded to XP (it's been out for - how long now?) and I'm pleased with it. I'll upgrade to Vista shortly after the next operating system goes into Beta testing.
'till then, I'll keep reading the posts.
Yes, yes, I know. If no one upgraded to the latest and greatest, there would be no incentive to push the new operating system to market possibly resulting in Microsoft (yes, yes, I know, it's the vendors) actually testing their operating system with the vendors software to ensure backward compatability. You've all heard of backward compatability, haven't you?
Have a nice day
Time to get a mac
by wayne_rushabh - 3/14/07 6:18 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamBuy a mac.. Plain and simple. Enjoy using your comptuer again. The commercials make light fun out of very serious problems..
Vista ad nauseum
by jedi2b - 3/14/07 6:18 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI've read nearly all of the 231 posts in this thread, and to be honest, the n00b's don't understand how computers work and screw things up. The pros won't post here because they at least try to figure things out. All those in between probably can't walk down the street and chew gum at the same time.
Microsoft provided a tool to see if Vista would run on your machine. Why didn't you try it?
HP has usually been reliable about upgrading drivers for recent machines. They should be up and running in a week or so.
I am still running XP and will continue to do so for a long while, at least until an upgrade or two comes out for Vista. I ran 98SE (skipped ME--it wasn't much of an improvement) for nearly two years after XP was released. I then installed a fairly stable XP version that has run well ever since (XP Pro). I use XP Pro both at school and work with no problems.
So you wanted to be the first to use Vista? Congratulations. Next time use some common sense and don't rush out to be the first. Patience is rewarded, little one.
It is easier to blame others than to accept responsibility for our less than intelligent actions.
Windows Vista Bugs
by D J FOX - 3/14/07 6:19 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamMicrosoft is responsible for Vista - nothing else.
I'm convinced :)
by revry - 3/14/07 6:20 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWell, all this talk about the problems with Vista being due to "third party" hardware and software manufacturers has convinced me. So I guess the next computer I buy will be the Microsoft Computer, not a machine from a "third party."
Where do they sell those again?
i don't
by The Lurker - 3/16/07 8:40 PM In reply to: I'm convinced :) by revryknow...i am one of those who can't walk and chew gum at the same time...is there a mac-crosoft computer..
where do you buy those?
OS Compatibility
by w3w0 - 3/14/07 6:20 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamIt depends on whether the OS vendor (Microsoft) intends on the OS being backward compatible or not. In the case of Vista I believe that MS made it fairly clear that much of the old model would be broken and many things that required specific hardware drivers would be iffy to work in the new Vista model.
The biggest drawback to this approach is it gives the 3rd party software and hardware vendors a excuse to not support their current or slightly older products and saying "we will only support current and future products". This leaves many of us with products that are perfectly serviceable, but useless with the Vista OS.
In my experience with another OS (IBM's MVS), it was originally released around 1974 and has gone through many changes including the jump to 64 bit capable. I have seen much code that was written on the original MVS platform (and even on the prior MVT OS) make it to the current incarnation of the MVS OS called z/OS continue to run unmodified!
The point is that IBM acknowledged a very large installed base and one of their requirements was to provide seamless backward compatibility for the majority of code.
Microsoft has taken a different approach. It appears that continuing support of installed base is not of concern and if MS says we have to move then we have to move or lose the use of whatever falls out and the vendor of that fallout says "too bad, we wanted to sell you a newer product anyway".
The way I see it is this is the real difference between a truly industrial strength OS (IBM) and a wannabe industrial OS (MS). We could also compare other areas of the 2 OS's like security, data integrity, reliability, serviceability and many other areas that make a OS a OS. Makes one wonder, there's more to a OS than a pretty face...
W3
Vista Bugs
by greatmag - 3/14/07 6:20 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI don't know what happened to you. I just ran the Vista upgrade advisor which was free. It found three incompatabilities and I downloaded the needed drivbers before I upgraded. I installed the drivers and everything ran fine. I have been installing operating systems since MSDOS 3.12 and with the exception of MSDOS 5.0 this was the most trouble free install I have had. You must remember that everyone that had tried the Beta advised having a fairly new system (including me).
Please inform me of what incompatabilties you have and I'll try to find a solution.
I would blame Microsoft
by gkendrick - 3/14/07 6:22 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamIt is interesting that Apple upgrades from OS 9 to OS X panther & tiger versions went without a hitch and even past programs are supported through the switch to another processor, without problems. Many curse Apple for their restrictiveness in third party apps and hardware but compatibility problems don't exist it seems.
Microsoft, large as it is, surely could have a copy of most every app to go with Windows and surely enough people to test and work with compatibility. Compatibility, though not required is a real nice thing to keep people coming back and upgrading without worries. I'm wondering how the folks at Microsoft would feel about Apple taunting the features of Vista and total Windows compatibility with older devices and programs? With Apple's Boot Camp and the program Parallels it seems that Apple Mac users are better compatible with Windows than Windows users that have upgraded to Vista are with their own Microsoft Products.
Compatibility to me is a feature of new software and therefore I do think Microsoft shares equal if not more blame for incompatibility issues. They sure had the people and the time and certainly the resources to work on that part. I'm beginning to think I'll stick with my Windows XP Home on my Toshiba Laptop and get an iMac. I certainly can understand long time loyal Microsoft users, as I was, doing the same. For me I'm waiting until OS X Leopard releases which I hear will be very soon now.
Windows Vista Bugs
by ThisOldMan - 3/14/07 6:23 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamQuestion. What did we do when MS came on line with new operating systems for XP, ME, etc.? As I recall, there wasn't much of a problem with MS and the vendors. What went astray this time? I purchased a new computer in DEC 2006, which included an updated version of Vista when it became available to the public. For the time being I have elected NOT to install the OS, as like other users, I am scared that many of my programs will NOT function with the new VISTA. I figure if I wait several months, the vendors will have had an opportunity to update their products, MS will have time to offer revisions or changes to their product.
On Converting or Moving to Vista
by Jerry Blaz - 3/14/07 6:26 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamFirst of all, I have a rule of thumb. When it comes to MS software, I won't touch anything until 3.0 comes out. The reason is the history of the sofware with imperfections. The first version is inevitably buggy. The second version fixes some of the bugs, and probably makes some new ones. By the time it comes out, Version 3.0 has an opportunity of being usable for most practical purposes.
However, the big issue is compatibility. I recall that I upgraded from Office 97 to Office 2000, and my custom-made database program based on Access 97 was incompatible with 2000 causing me to lose much data. I recently bought Quickbooks 2006, and found out two months later that my Quickbooks will not be compatible unless I upgrade with 2007.
If my database will run on Linux, I would prefer to use that rather than Vista. At least I am aware of the incompatibilities in such circumstances.
Jerry Blaz
MS won't take the blame, but they would take the credit!
by dbsteele - 3/14/07 6:26 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamAll the Microsoft fanboys are trying to shift the blame, for the monster that Vista has become, onto 3rd party vendors.
If Vista were to work flawlessly then you can bet your bottom dollar that Microsoft would be the first to say that the reason it's so good is because of their hard work.
Now that the world truly knows what a dog that Vista is, Microsoft tries to shift the blame to someone else.
Typical Microsoft, and their rabid fanboys.
Putting on a good front
by Bazarbek - 3/14/07 6:27 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI haven't changed to Microsoft Vista OS and probably won't until at least 3 or four service packs come out to fix the holes in the programming. This is typical Microsoft programming. Put the product out when it is barely past Beta testing and let the consumers deal with the headaches. I know the other software developers may be at fault as well, but why put good water in a bucket with holes?
My advise is to stick with XP or ME until the bugs get worked out in two to three years.
Vista Compatability Software
by richchrono - 3/14/07 6:27 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI want to preface my response with the statement that I am not the biggest Microsoft fan on the planet.
That said, Microsoft created a program specifically for the purpose of evaluating your system hardware, drivers, and software and its compatability with Vista. It does a good job of notifying you what will work, might work, and won't work so you can make an informed decision about what issues you will have to deal with if you convert BEFORE you convert.
Because of the issues raised after running this software, we made a strategic decision to wait for a year or so before attempting conversion.
From what I've seen, Microsoft has made every attempt to empower people with the information they need to make an informed choice.
If you have problems, you chose them.
Don't blame Microsoft.
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