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First hand?
by dandevil - 3/15/07 6:26 AM In reply to: Is this opinion from 1st hand experience? by nevidoYes
RE: So you thing Mac was mentioned?
by pepsaholic - 3/15/07 11:13 AM In reply to: So you think MAC is the solution??? by rookwoodOK, so you replied to a message that reads "We all look forward to updates to become bigger, faster, stronger! MS may be late for their release schedules, but they have come out with better products. Should the 3rd party venders want to drag their feet on making updates, I have no problem with moving to another 3rd party vender. It is about Moore's Law. I just cannot wait to see the next release from MS, Intel or AMD!" by bitching about why not to switch to "MAC" . Correct me if I'm wrong, but the message had nothing to do with switching to Apple computers. Me thinks you protest too much.
And the rest of your comments are rubbish anyway. You're parroting what you've heard for years. Repeating something doesn't make it any more true.
1) If you do a lot of DTP under Windows, then you should realize that your print service provider hates your files, and if they're smart, charge you more for handling them.
2) The Mac "population" has been far greater than 2.8% for quite some time.
3) *** are you talking about Adobe not releasing upgrades for the Mac? I am a partner in the Adobe Solutions Network, and that statement 100% not true. Now, if you're using creative fact deployment, Adobe hasn't released Intel-Mac specific versions of their products... YET. But that doesn't mean they don't intend to, and it's not the same as what you are suggesting. When CS3 is released, it will be a Universal release. (And since you are living in 1997, and don't know what that means, Universal means it will be released for PPC Macs, Intel Macs and will ship concurrently with the Windows release.
4) Mac + Intel does not = Windows. Yes I know that's not what you said, but that is what you were implying. Intel hardware in Macs gives the ADDED OPTION of running Windows. Does Dell give you the option of running Mac OS X? No.
5) Proprietary? You just contradicted all the whoopla that with Intel in Apple computers, that there is nothing different about Apple computers from run-of-the-mill PC hardware. The only thing that is proprietary about Apple's computers is the operating system.
And lastly, 6) if Macs are underpowered, then most Windows computers are also underpowered, because they all run on the same technology base now.
Instead of bitching about what you obviously know NOTHING about, why don't you pick up a respectable computer trade magazine, and learn something about the topic. Hell, at least reply in context to what you are replying to. You're embarrassing yourself.
Microsoft's reputation is on the line.
by bwvla - 3/14/07 5:40 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
If the problem was limited to one or 2 partners then the blame would be on those slacking partners. But since the problem is widespread, that puts much of the shame on Microsoft. They did (or did not do) "something" which has lead to a shaky deployment and thus damaging their own reputation. To top it off they delayed the release for months which should have given a company that large ample time to bring vendors up to speed.
Then again anyone upgrading to Vista this soon without expecting at least some difficulties isn't being very realistic. No MS OS release has been trouble free with hardware out of the gate.
Partly Microsoft's responsibility
by oladipoaina - 3/14/07 5:47 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
Hi guys!
I perfectly agree that Microsoft is not to be blamed, but i think we are looking at it from a "techie" point of view. From a business point of view, customers don't seem to think if third party developers are lacking behind. All they think of is if something works with vista or not.
So from that point of view i think it's part of Microsoft responsibility to push for that. It's the responsibility to make available what the customer wants if they wish to sustain their competitive advantage against the rapid growth market of MAC. After all, it's all about getting and keeping customers, and if they fail to see that, then most PC users (who barely know the technicalities of technology) will shift to other alternatives like MAC.
VISTA and home built computer
by Lomzaman - 3/14/07 5:54 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
I just built a computer and was needing a operating system so went with VISTA. I find it is a performance eater so make sure your computer is up to it. As far as drivers are concerned only ZoneAlarm was unable to deliver as promised on its packaging to be VISTA ready and was unable to furnish upgrades. Everything else went very smoothly. I do have a concern with the computer not putting itself to sleep as configured. It seems it is just determined not to sleep when it is supposed to. Anyone else having this problem?
Not necessarily a MS fan, but I agree with this one!
by grayrider - 3/14/07 6:01 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
If Microsoft has provided 3rd party vendors with the necessary information re Vista and this was done in a timely fashion, this is not a Microsoft problem. Don't assign blame, accept responsibility when you actually own the problem.
My vote goes with Microsoft on this issue.
MS Vista vs. Thrid Parties
by whozis - 3/14/07 6:07 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
So far, I like Vista. Sadly, third-party companies are either telling me to go take a hike, or most often, they tell me to buy their latest and greatest version of software. Some are saying, "Let's wait and see."
The third parties dropped the ball on this one! Most of them see it as a way of making money off of me--again! It is seriously causing me to rethink where I buy my third-party software.
just as aol says
by dragoon6 - 3/14/07 6:23 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
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Vista
by theryangroup - 3/14/07 6:36 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
I agree that this isn't all Microsoft's problem.....how could software vendors bury their head in the sand........the've known it was coming
Why third party software developers fault
by rickdavis - 3/14/07 10:19 PM In reply to: Vista by theryangroupI guess every time Ford makes a new car Firestone has to redesign the tires they put on the car? Maybe we have to buy a new kind of fuel everytime we buy a new car.
I have hauled truck loads of hardware and software to the thrift store as a result of upgradeing all the way from Win 3.0 to XP. Six months ago I gave up the fight and bought a Mac as I have threatened for years and have yet to have ONE problem with it. Some today told me that "Vista" works like and looks like a Mac. I thought to myself why not buy a Mac. Go to the Mac forums and you will not read these kind of complaints.
Duh
by Chris Romanelli - 3/14/07 6:41 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
that's why the mac business model is the better one.
Vista - Oh, I don't Know.
by mitchgen - 3/14/07 7:47 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
I am not the anointed techie type. Just a user who likes to get on the edge. When I upgraded to Vista I went to 64 bit version. That was enough to make me feel like an orphan. But I thoroughly researched the matter and got my software, hardware, etc all lined up. My experience tells me that this rig runs well, has minimal problems, and only a few programs are adversely effected. Because I made the BIG jump, I don't know what folks are encountering with 32 bit versions other than what I read here. Oh, to be sure, common programs like Real Audio STILL don't work (I doubt that MS causes that), my favorite photo editor an old Adobe Photo Deluxe Bus. Edition that worked on everything from Win 95 on doesn't work, and some parts of other applications don't work even if the main portions do. So it's a mixed bag but overall I am satisfied with it. MS SHOULD release an opsys that is compatible with most things run in XP/2000 if they want to avoid log jams. 3rd Party folks should get HOT about revising their software to live with Vista (incl 64 bit)because that is where their income is based. Otherwise this takes on the appearance of a 3rd party vendor palace revolt against MS that in the long haul will likely fail.
Why are people so INSISTANTLY ignorant?
by masterworx - 3/14/07 7:48 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
Let's get a clue here folks.....microslut is and has been PROVEN to be a pedatory company. I have known a few "ex" ms geeks and all have said that the "issues" with compatability are known and quantified at ms long before the product goes to market...and thatv they really could care less about the customer-except for their wallet! They figure that there are enough 'sheeple' out there that will just buy the hype, fall in line and suffer until they are functioning again. One internal study within ms predicted that $18 wil be spent in the industry to either upgrade to make compatible or purchase new hardware for every $1 spent on vista. Is that cynical or what?
I for one have had it and hope that this is the beginning of the end for microslut in our lifetime. They are one nasty piece of business in just about all areas that they function and anyone that has been on the losing end (and most have because they have almost as many lawyers as programers) of a fight with the scatalogical Gates is usually sorry they even got into the business of computers. The only reason that more is not heard of this is because the "gag agreements" that their legal teams are able to get judges to agree to are so onerous and ms is so agressive in procecuting them that you won't get much info from anyone unless they know you really well and you get them really drunk!
Wake up all you "give me the latest-ms is innocent of malice-it's all the other mfg's fault" croud. The evidence is all around you. Call me "paranoid" if you want-they told me the same thing about the dry drunk we have in the White house-and look where THAT is going!
As for me-I have had enough! My next OS will be ANYTHING but a MS POS....
Microsoft vs third-party vendors
by petern07 - 3/14/07 8:59 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
I have a question for the users blaming Microsoft or third-party vendors. Shouldn't the users know by now that when upgrading to a different OS, they suppose to make sure they have all the drivers or at least check with the third-party vendors to see if they have all the right drivers for the OS they're upgrading to? Come on people, this is NOT new (remember Win95, 98, 2000, and XP drivers compatibility problems?). Many people (myself included) and many companies hold off on upgrading to Vista because of compatibility, security, and the cost of upgrading issues.
This is MS Fault
by esiegle - 3/14/07 9:40 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
I think this is a MS problem. One of the things that John said was that "Vista had been in beta for some time"... THAT was my red flag the Vista was going to be a problem. Why was there such a long delay in release? And "this gave the vendors plenty of time to prepare" Prepare what? The current upgrade to the current fix for Vista? Then to have to fix it again next time that Vista was "fixed." UUUHHH- sounds like a money sucker there. I waited a looonnnggg time to upgrade to XP... more than 2 years. I will wait a loooonnnnggg time to upgrade again. Oh, and one last thing-- I had the opportunity to purchase a Vista "ready" PC with free vista upgrade, but chose to buy the open box unit that was sitting on the display shelf. What does THAT tell you!?!?!
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