Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
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by Gordune - 3/14/07 5:16 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamIf I buy a car and want a trailer hitch put on it or anything else by somebody else they have to make it work right! So I believe that Microsoft has only to see that the OS is kept up to date and safe the third party stuff is up to the other manufactuarers. But I have been know to be wrong on many other occasions, and besides there are so many other 3rd party softwhere wher do you stop.
Microsoft is everyone's punching bag. But...
by kybattey - 3/14/07 5:19 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamThis time it isn't Microsoft's fault. First Microsoft has no control over the hardware and software makers. Second Microsoft has had versions of Vista available to developers and as betas for other segments of the computer industry for over a year. I think is provides the third party companies with more than enough time to get their acts straight. Third since companies like Adobe Systems have not said they will release updates for programs like Photoshop CS2 so that it works right and fully with Vista, they instead say CS3 will be out shortly. I suspect many of the third party companies are going to use Vista to feed their greed and only offer Vista compatibility with new products and software versions. None of this is Microsoft's doing.
The fact remains that if we want to see innovation and the evolution of our operating systems third party companies are going to have to do a better job. Microsoft kept DOS under Windows for far too long as it was simply because third parties and user's didn't want to deal with having to upgrade more than just their OS.
Any one that thinks that this is Microsoft's fault is just full of the brown stuff up to their eyes. A year in beta, what's taking the third party companies so long?
Oh, and one last thing. To make an interesting point Adobe's just shipped Lightroom 1.0 product which came out after Vista shipped isn't even 100% Vista ready. This according to Adobe. What's up with that?
Robert
Windows Vista
by snapshotnorm - 3/14/07 5:19 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamPersonally I do not care who is to blame. The little I've heard (maybe 20%-mostly negative) has convinced me to start saving my money for the Mac I've always dreamed of. Seems to me that by the time I have enough "coin", Mr. Gates will relegate XP Pro to the scrap heap of technology.
While they play the blame game, I play the save game and soon will say "good bye Mr, Gates!
windows vista
by tbrad1954 - 3/14/07 5:19 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohami'm currently xp user and notebook is vista capable.i'm new to all of this only had computer for 5 months.i've been thinking of upgrading but have had advise to waight.what do i do? Tony
Why blame? How much time do the 3rd party vendors need?
by Penguin_Blitz - 3/14/07 5:20 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI've been a long time user of Microsoft Windows (from 3.0 and on). First off, can anyone recall a Windows release in the past decade that didn't have problems? Does anyone care why that is? Take some time to think about everything Microsoft is trying to push their operating system to do.
I recall all the hype that goes on every time there is a new release. It happened with '95 (and there were countless bugs to work out) and '98, ME, 2000 (it got better) and Windows XP. Anybody who writes or develops software for PC's knows about new O/S releases long before they ever hit the store shelves or come pre-installed with a store-bought computer. Pre-release and Beta versions are available long in advance. A little cooperation with the O/S developer and it isn't hard to make your software compatible with it. Admittedly, Microsoft is notorious for having a lot of "fat" in their programming code and for annyoing procedures you have to follow to get compatibility. But anybody who develops a computer operating system knows that limiting or all-out destroying their compatibility with 3rd party software vendors is a sure route to failure. But Microsoft is out there to make money and it's anyone's guess as to how long it will be before they finally come out with an O/S that will handle everything the average PC user wants to do and eliminate the need for the vast majority of 3rd party software.
If you really want to go to a Mac, beware - they are pushing Windows on the Mac platform too. While OS X is still on the majority it may not last.
this is a ' usual situation ' for microsoft products
by rsternb - 3/14/07 5:21 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamevery time MS comes out with a new something - especially
OS's - I wait at least a year b4 venturing into it - and
sometimes longer (or until nothing new will run on older OS )
By the forums chat - I can see Vista is just another thing that
will have to wait for my bucks. when they get threir s... together
then I might have to dig in - besides - the price will have gone
down to a more reasonable lever by then.
ted
Windows Vista
by jhduss - 3/14/07 5:21 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamOnce again I am wondering why people were actually standing in line to buy Vista when it was first offered for sale. Will they never learn? Any good OS would be backwardly compatible. Thankfully I don't have Vista at this point and I have no inclination to install it anytime soon. But clearly from the many postings re:Windows Vista Bugs, there is a long way and much pain before these issues are resolved. I know that MS can't fix drivers for every vendor, but this puts many users in a bad spot as they may have an older printer/scanner, e.g., which still worked just fine for them, but the maker no longer supports the drivers for that device so the user is just punished. If MS made Vista backwardly compatible as they should, these issues would be non-existant.
Microsoft Sux
by chaslosh - 3/14/07 5:22 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamThey say it's not their fault that peripherals don't work. I say bull$hit. Can you imagine buying a car from Ford and the fuel pump does'nt work, or the tires are not to spec? And Ford saying "it ain't our fault, talk to Firestone!". You'd say Bull$hit too. Microsoft should have done their homework and not realeased the OS until a large number of vendors were prepared to support the peripherals that many people use; especially the high end gamers and super system folks who spend $6-$7 big G's to have the best of the best. What their left with is a high end and costly system that doesn't work, espcially with HP printers and nVidia graphics cards, and nothing but their dick$ in their hands, as Michael Corleone would say. I'm ready for Leopard.
Bad analogy and thoughts on VUA/drivers +.
by dethbylt - 3/14/07 5:58 PM In reply to: Microsoft Sux by chasloshTo use the car analogy for Vista is misleading. A car comes packaged as a unit. If parts of the Vista Kernel were failing, I would agree with you wholeheartedly. As it is, the only problem with Vista is the upgrade advisdor (and that isn't even part of the system kernel).
Your spinning rims and hydraulics (that you added for extended functionality) don't fit. Is that Ford's fault??? Is it their responsibilty to push the compatibility issue. I think not. Ford makes standard parts and publishes specs. MS does the same.
The third party companies have had the Vista driver model for over a year now. It is a money grab on their part to delay or even deny compatibility in order to have you buy newer versions of software. I would not be surprised to see a surge of new hardware/software versions and fewer "fixed" devices.
As to who blame; Microsoft should shoulder a small part of the blame for not developing the upgrade advisor a little more, but the third party vendors have had ample time to develop at least beta drivers.
Finally, would all the people who argue that Macs are so much better just cool it. The MAC and PC platforms are basically used for (and better at) different tasks. You want video editing and CAD level graphics? Get a MAC. If you want the best in PC gaming, and general software compatibility? Get (better yet build) a PC. Which ever of these systems are on top will be the targeted platform for hackers and viruses, so that group can zip it too...
JMM
90% Microsoft
by uncledyl - 3/14/07 5:22 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWell of course the other manufacturers should be responsible for their hardware and software being compatible with Vista but, as far as I'm concerned Microsoft isn't trying hard enough to seriously improve what they have already made, namely their other OS's. They can keep tossing their own OS's in the garbage but, I think at some point they'll have to just stop making mediocre OS's and throwing previous versions to the wind!!! The way they make OS's might make good business sense monetarily, at dollars in the hundreds for any of the OS's at one or another time, which is way to much for something that they'll put to the side after a few years, support should be their primary concern. They should stop worrying about going out of business and start worrying about how far they can take the public, that is " what the traffic will bear ".
Microsoft is to blame for third-party software and hardware
by eeedwar - 3/14/07 5:23 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamIt is the responsibility of Microsoft to make sure that the OS is backward compatable to third-party software and hardware. Microsoft has been around from the start and should be responsible.
Guilt lies on both sides...
by meillerc - 3/14/07 5:23 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photoham* Third party vendors for not having drivers/patches ready when Vista was launched
* Microsoft for misleading (potential) customers with Vista Advisor
bottom line = waste of our time and money to the benefit of Microsoft
Advise: don't upgrade. Let your current hardware age gracefully running XP. Vista will be bundled when in need of a new PC/laptop. Be prepared though to replace the rest of peripherals/equipment you now have (scanners, photo printers, etc) so they can be Vista compatible/certified. This strategy has helped me through 5 Windows upgrades (3.11 - 95 - 98 - 2000 - XP).
Not M$ problem
by Metaspherz - 3/14/07 5:24 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI don't understand why newbies and some veterans complain that Microsoft did not give vendors enough time to update their products. It's well documented that Vista was delayed over 2 years. That should have been plenty of time for vendor compliance with the NEW standards and requirements. And most vendors don't update their current programs (or care to) anyway. They introduce new hardware and software for the new OS. It's not MS's duty to make sure all legacy programs and hardware work with their newest OS. It's impossible. That's the vendor's duty. It's absurd to consider otherwise and too expensive. I've been using M$ products for over 25 years and I've built my own computer for 19 of them. It's far cheaper to build than to buy off the shelf. My newest computer was built with Vista in mind and only 1 product, TV Wonder 650, still doesn't work with the driver updates. That's a pain I admit. Comcast and the Internet works fine. A few sites with streaming video still has problems. Many of my old software programs still work such as Printshop Deluxe 22. Nero 6, however, is buggy and won't burn a disc. The new Nero 7 does work perfectly. And if anyone thinks that all Apple Mac products work interchangeably between OS's, don't have security problems, or has lots of wonderful programs had better check the FAQ's and read the support forums. Mac is expensive and their products are too when you can find them. So if you switch over you'd better have deep pockets because you'll have to scrap those PC's products or donate them and spend a small fortune buying new stuff. But, I admit the Mac has made some improvements too but not enough to make me switch. M$ will copy any good thing that Mac has eventually, anyway.
Total Rubbish, All Faults Are Users
by Wimmig - 3/14/07 5:24 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI've had 0 problems going from WinXp ProSP2 to Vista Ultimate x64. Obviously i have build a new system for this, as the old system was ~ 3-4 years old basically ancient in the technology world.
I have had 0 hardware issues. This includes using my old wireless card (production run 2001) from Belkin for net use. It was detected as NATIVE in x64 and worked in 5 seconds.
I am also have no problems emulating the x84 enviroment and am yet to find a program which does not work correctly.
I find no merit in user issues, and review issues. This is a new operating system, and a new generation of technolgoy. The only way to do it correctly is build a new system.
Do you actually think this generation runs well without;
DX 10
SATA 2 (300)
2GB+ DDR2-800 (PC6400) RAM
NCQ HDD'S
256MB + VIDEO CARD
Of course it doesn't. The software design of vista requires all these elements to run in a native mode. If you run all of these elements, then you will have no problems.
Quit your complaining, get with the times.
VISTA ISSUES
by Luto Lopez - 3/14/07 5:25 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamIs Microsoft responsible for compatibility of Vista with 3rd party software? In my opinion, yes & no. In a generalized case, I'd say the answer would be no, but in the real world where Mister Softy has a 90% market share, the responsiblities aren't quite the same. I haven't changed to Vista, and although 2 of my 4 PC's should be hardware ready and at least one of the other two should be upgradeable for relatively minor expense, I probably will never change any of my current PCs to Vista (heck, I actually have 2 other PCs that are now "single purpose dedicated" and they are both still on WIN98). I did do WIN98 to WINXP upgrades on several PCs for myself and for family/friends. But from what I've seen and heard so far, upgrading from XP to Vista isn't going to be in the cards. And why should anyone want to? Protection of someone else's media rights isn't my problem (I don't abuse, but am not the police that I need to keep others from doing so). Microsoft is dumb to have placed theirself in that position. May quite possibly have been a "bet the company" gamble that they will lose. And just what do they think is the upside for them? Not obvious to me.
I sold my MSFT stock awhile back. Haven't sold short yet, but if Vista turns out to be as big of boondoggle as it now appears to be, it may not be a bad idea.
I'd guess XP will be "supported" for another 5 years, so for that time it still is an option versus paying the premium to go the Mac route. If you must have new hardware, you'll likely be able to buy it without OS and get an XP license. And in 5 years, linux may be ready for the masses (devotees claim it is now, but from my limited perspective it's not really there yet).
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