Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
Yeah Microsoft is sorta at fault
by countmattula - 3/14/07 5:05 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamThe main problem is that Microsoft should make sure that their software is at least 95% backwards compatible. Needing patches to run software that already runs perfectly fine on XP is just a hassle. I've been using PC since MS DOS 5.0 and have to admit that Apple OS's seem to be more stable as of recently. I'm not saying that I won't eventually upgrade to Windows Vista, but if you are faced with buying a computer where the OS cant run your existing software (or hardware for that matter), you might as well switch to an OS that currently is more stable. I hate the "trendiness" of Mac, the "hiptster" vibe that their commercials try to portray their product, and the fact that everything is so damn expensive, but I am honestly tempted to jump ship considering all of the complaints my friends are telling me about Vista... my friends who own Macs have none. I use XP now, and am currently happy with the way it works... but if I had to choose a new OS for a new computer, I think I might go Mac, because at least Apple takes the time to put out a solid product.
I've had no real problems converting from XP(2) to Home Prem
by AceChase - 3/14/07 5:09 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI only use the most basic third party software - Quicken (2005) a few tax programs and system management programs, so I'm no expert. The only one I have had consistant problems with is Nero's latest (7.something) and that is hopeless. I blame Nero - especially since they swore it was Vista capable and ready before I upgraded, and have subsequently been unwilling - or unable - to help. My old printer site furnished a Vista driver, and I'm up and running well. The Nero problem will undoubtedly be solved where it should be - at Nero.
There's a Vista Update for Nero 7
by wlczsf - 3/14/07 6:15 PM In reply to: I've had no real problems converting from XP(2) to Home Prem by AceChaseThere's a Nero 7 update for Vista.
The versions of Nero that shipped on CD have installed fine on vista with no issues.
The WebInstall versions of Vista had some issues until Nero made an update. You should go to the Nero site, download the Trial version of Nero 7, then enter the serial number from your purchased copy when installing it.
Microsoft has monopolistic power
by Elbowem - 3/14/07 5:09 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamThe only reason MS delivers a new operating system (including the galactically obnoxious Vista) is to make money for MS. They don't give a crap about other developers' software.
We mighat as well get use to it, if you are not already.
by plumb - 3/14/07 5:09 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI have been a programmer for over 40 years now. It has been a great career for me, but over the past decade or so it seems that all software companies have totally forgotten the age old industry standard of backward compatibility for their systems. Now it seems that if they put out a new version of their own software that it cannot even talk to its own data files from just a year ago (which was just related to me from a friend a few days back concerning a Tax Cut program he just bought that refuses to read in his Tax Cut data files from the 2005 tax year.)
I do not know if I would blame poor old Bill Gates, but I think he has had a lot to do with this depressing attitude in the overall software industry. As a programmer, I guess I should be happy that there will always be work for me. But as a computer user, it is anti-productive and very expensive to say the least.
I have run into this problem with Windows, Oracle and various tools relating to Oracle, several languages have even become incompatible with programs written in earlier versions (less than 10 years old) of the same language. This makes no sense, except to extort more money from the companies that try to reduce costs by putting all their computing budget dollars into a single solution, as that does not prevent the problem either.
What is the solution to all this? I do not know. I know what I am going to do as soon as I get a chance… I am going to retire and take up fishing. Good luck to you all, but Vista is sure not in my immediate plans.
Vista Bugs
by bosston - 3/14/07 5:09 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamHave you tried right clicking on the shortcut of the software you are having trouble with click on Properties and click the Compatiblity tab and choose XP?
Planned obsolescence
by billhoff - 3/14/07 5:10 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWhat I blame Microsoft (and many other software producers) is the build in short-life of their products. If Microsoft wants to introduce a product that has more features and capabilities than Windows XP, that is certainly their right and that act has no ethical implications; but when the new product only and/or essentially eliminates flaws in the superceded version, then they are on questionable grounds, and when they stop supporting a product that thousands of their users still find useful and adequate to their needs, they are not fulfilling their obligations to their customers.
williehoff
The Support Policy for Windows Products is ...
by pmchefalo - 3/14/07 5:13 PM In reply to: Planned obsolescence by billhofffound here:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy
Don't like it? Don't buy.
rubbish
by lewelton - 3/14/07 5:11 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamHi
I have tried Vista & would not recommend it to anyone. So much so that I am going to send it back. When I log out then log on again I get error messages. From now on, I will stick to Mac software as it is far more stable than Windows rubbish.
The Question Requires Context
by jholmes_jr - 3/14/07 5:11 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamTo answer the question, we'd need to know something about WHY the incompatibilities exist. This isn't a NEW operating system; rather it's an upgrade. So, a priori, I should have every expectation that my old software would continue to work.
On the other hand, one assumes that the old software was programmed within whatever guidelines Microsoft provided. So if that old software was using unapproved approaches or undocumented features, maybe it's not Microsoft's fault.
I offer two conflicting scenarios to illustrate the point:
One: Microsoft changed the way the OS handled certain requests in a way that they knew, or should have known, would cause existing programs to blow up. Knowing this, they went ahead and released Vista. This means, by derivation, that they were throwing us users under the bus and planning to blame the software programs for what was really Microsoft's fault. That would be baaaad.
Two: Certain software vendors, knowing that Vista was coming out, and knowing that some of their kludge programming could run into problems, decided not to test it or update their drivers. Maybe they were simply negligent; more likely they hoped that Vista buyers would be willing to buy an "upgrade" when they ran into problems. I'm sure Microsoft had a vendor pipeline to help software companies work out these incompatibilities, but let's imagine the software vendors didn't avail themselves of it. In that case, I blame the software company, not Microsoft.
I've been involved in development, and it's simply not possible to hold one side responsible in these situations. Presumably, Microsoft tried hard to make Vista backward compatible. But presumably the software companies didn't want to have their products made obsolete by Vista. So clearly somebody dropped the ball; we just don't know who.
Re: Is Microsoft to blame for software and hardware incompat
by pepsaholic - 3/14/07 5:12 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWell... yeah. Sorta'. The way I see it, if the Windows community can blame Apple for software and hardware incompatibilities under Mac OS, then Microsoft is to blame for the same under Vista.
But the fact of the matter is that Apple has made a platform which is very capable, but doesn't have the support from 3rd parties. The 3rd parties are ultimately responsible for keeping their products up to date and compatible. I hate to say something positive about MS, particularly where Vista is concerned, but I have to applaud MS for taking the step. "You" can't please everybody all the time, and a computer platform will only get more and more bloated if it continues to hold the door open for ancient devices and pieces of software. If you want to run that old software, don't install Vista. Period. If you want a */me chokes* "modern" operating system, then you might to have to sacrifice that GPIB interface card.
As the ever-popular car analogy: Uncle Sam could build a road augmentation system, which delivers the power to the vehicles on it, and is powered 100% by solar panels and windmills. If Ford and GM never build cars which can interface with the road, it's THEIR fault that cars still belch out greenhouse gasses.
Suggestion: See if your devices will work under Vista BEFORE jumping in the pool. If they do, great. If they don't, wait. If the whole thing still honks you off, get a Mac.
bugs
by thogul5908 - 3/14/07 5:15 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamBugs plenty of them My computer is one year old exactly.To upgrade to vista I have to spend almost as much as the computer cost.New sound card,video card and not to mention software.I will wait a year or 2 maybe slowly upgrade and watch them fight over whos to blame while the bugs get worked out..Or maybe just get a MAC
Problem is not in incompat; problem is in deployment
by alexei_roudnev - 3/14/07 5:15 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI can't blame MS for the Vista bugs and incompatibilities.
All are well expected.
I blame them for the pushing new OS ahead of screams. Of course Vista is not compatible. So why can't I (in many cases) select from Vista / or XP when I purchase new desktop or notebook? Why all vendors runs to it without minor thinking of the incompatibilities. Why they did not say _it is a very new OS, if you want to run old software DONT UPGRADE_?
of course it take 2 - 3 years to make sw compatible. Dont forget that Windows XP was nopt a new OS at all. New OS was:
- Windows NT vs Win 95/98/me
- Windows XP service pack 2
- Windows VISTA
Windows XP was just small decorations. Win2K was new OS on system level only. So, Vista is A FIRST NEW OS of Microsoft for many years (more than 10); and not a surprise that it had so many problems.
(XP SP2 was another kind of new OS, but it changed security model only and have not been pushed so badly as Vista).
Windows Vista Bugs
by rlhall1 - 3/14/07 5:16 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamDidn't we go through this when Windows XP came out? I have no REMOTE thoughts or plans to "upgrade" to VISTA until all of those who had to be first have identified and had "somebody" (Microsoft, third party, I don't care!) eliminate the all of the problems. I am only sympathetic to a small degree with experienced computer users, because they should have known better "than to be first"! First Time computer users probably aren't having problems.
I'LL WAIT!!!
Vista registration problems
by raleighswan - 3/14/07 5:16 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamVista Ultimate is a mistake, any operating system that has so many bugs and problems is a failure.
What business can sell a product at a premium price that dose not
work!
Every time I reboot i get notified to call for a valid registration number,15 times I'ce registered.
What is a real pain is after using the phone to enter a long string of numbers I end up on hold until someone in India asks me to repeat the same number string and the in broken english gives me a new 500 diget registration number.
When I tried to get help I'm told its my fault because of non microsoft software.
If I didn't have so much money tied up in this non operating system I would get a Mac, Vista is the best thing to ever happen to Apple.
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