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Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
IT probably wouldn't work!
by davidjd - 3/17/07 8:12 AM In reply to: Gimme A Break by pmchefaloIF Bill Gates brought DVD to my gate-it probably wouldn't work anyway!
He's probably forgotten how to install his own basic software - after all these years.
No let him stick to his charity work. He's safer there! At least we know what he's doing.
davidjd
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Well, not exactly
by rlegro - 2/16/07 7:49 AM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
Vista's specs have not been "readily available" in every case. At least one security software firm (McAfee, if I recall correctly) sued Microsoft saying it didn't have the code information it needed to revise its software. The European Union sued to prevent Vista's release altogether for similar if less specific reasons. So, no, Microsoft is not blameless. As usual, it's helped to gum things up. My own situation is that I was forced to upgrade to a Vista PC when my Win2000 Pro system died. It's not ready for prime time, as is always the case with a new Windows release. My third party hardware and software (USB keychains, optical drives, webcams, scan software, voice recognitionware, securityware, you name it) are now broken and the tally for upgrading them -- where upgrades are at this point available -- runs into four figures. Absurd! Why don't they all just kidnap your computer gear and demand money to return them safely? It'd be simpler.
Oh, and also: The vendor websites where you can check FAQs and contact customer service on these problems are, at the moment, iffy at best. Mail isn't delivered, or gets answered with a non sequitur or there are ambiguous "solutions" aboard.
And Mickeysoft isn't much better. I've already discovered that Vista "Help and Support" sometimes supplies the wrong answers.
Plenty of grist for this mill all around, but it's Microsoft's game and thus the blame should fall mainly there.
McAfee Suit
by pmchefalo - 3/14/07 4:51 PM In reply to: Well, not exactly by rlegroIt's only about Vista x64 and PatchGuard. It's a good thing when MS stops "security" firms from patching the kernel. And in fact this was an issue with XP x64 as well. But MS did deliver APIs.
Assigning fault doesn't help!
by theneuron - 2/18/07 5:56 PM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
I really don't care whose fault it is. I just went from a HP 7960 w/ ME to a HP s7700n w/ Vista so maybe I could watch clips off the internet, and hopefully not lock up 4-6 times daily. Now I get to toss a perfectly good printer and scanner. Now I can't see certain web pages like my online banking. I expected to thow away the printer & scanner as they wouldn't even work on XP if I upgraded to it. I however didn't think I would lose my online banking to messages directing me to something about java not being supported. Of course, like always, there was a link to a page on which I understood nothing. There wasn't a link to download anything and I have quit following useless to me links to more of the same until I forget what simple thing it was I started out trying to do. (Like typing in the url for my online banking and actually having the page load)
Those of you who can make computers work enjoy the pissing contest avout Microsoft. Meanwhile the rest of us will apparently give up or keep thowing money ar it until we give up or just accept that we will never enjoy the wonders of computering and the internet that we see advertised and talked about constantly. What I won't do is give a crap about whose fault it is!
But to address the question, it's all about the money, making it everyone's fault. Operating system problems enable new operating systems to be sold, no new drivers enable new hardware sales. And I suspect that before long a solution to my java problem and the others I haven't encountered yet, will be available to download for only a small licensing fee. Maybe they will make it available in only so many EASY PAYMENTS OF $19.95!
Yes the folks at the hallowed halls of the computer industry are just another version of greed going with making a buck the easiest way rather than making it by actually solving problems or actually enhancing someone's life.
A little help for you
by edge_bit - 3/14/07 4:25 PM In reply to: Assigning fault doesn't help! by theneuronHi,
I'm sorry you seem to be having so much trouble. Perhaps you should have purchased a computer a week earlier with Windows XP Media Center Edition with a free upgrade to Vista and simply left Vista on the shelf.
On the other hand, how were you to know that?
To help with your online banking: Download Mozilla Firefox and you'll likely be able to browse to your bank's website. If not - then it's definitely your bank's fault for hiring a design agency who makes non-standards-compliant websites.
DOWNLOAD MOZILLA FIREFOX: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
There is another browser that can pretend to be the older versions of IE so that stupid websites that demand IE6 can still be viewed. This browser I'm talking about is Opera.
DOWNLOAD OPERA: http://www.opera.com/
If both of these browsers don't help you at all you're screwed... and I hate to tell you this but your bank's judgement ***********. Essentially they hired an old-school (read that as retarded) web developer to make the website and they made it inacessible.
Make a call to your bank's main headquarters or something and perhaps if enough people do this in a polite, yet insistant way they'll fix it.
I'm sure they've already had an earfull and are fixing it as we speak.
Just so you know - there's very little wrong with Internet Explorer 7 that comes with Windows Vista and it's NOT VISTA'S FAULT YOUR BANK WEBSITE DOESN'T WORK. It's the fault of the people who made the site. Period.
Have a nice day!
c/net doesn't work with Opera
by rholley13 - 3/14/07 5:02 PM In reply to: A little help for you by edge_bitI had to go to Firefox to read this thread because it wouldn't load with Opera, my favorite and default browser.
SHAME ON C/NET FOR NOT SUPPORTING OPERA.
What Opera are you using??
by carpe67 - 3/14/07 5:07 PM In reply to: c/net doesn't work with Opera by rholley13I'm writing this using Opera Version-8.51; Build-7712.
And it works perfect.
Looks like you are another one, who blames everybody around for your own lack of knowledge.
It's the Fault of Sun Microsystems
by pmchefalo - 3/14/07 5:10 PM In reply to: A little help for you by edge_bitRead the post again; this user needs Java, NOT (multi-flawed) Firefox and (funky) Opera.
ActiveX
by dfichtner - 3/15/07 4:50 PM In reply to: It's the Fault of Sun Microsystems by pmchefaloUmm... I suspect the user is complaining about ActiveX.
Oh noes!
by meisinscotland - 3/14/07 5:17 PM In reply to: A little help for you by edge_bitThese forums keep crashing in IE7 and its irritating me.
Not necessarily true
by rhomp2002 - 3/14/07 6:29 PM In reply to: A little help for you by edge_bitI bank with Citibank, the biggest bank in the world. In fact I retired from there a couple of years ago. Now when I go on there with Firefox and Linux I get a message saying I have to use Firefox. I am using Firefox. What I have to do is hit an extra page that says continue and then I can see the bank balance just as if it were on Windows/Firefox.
Question is on Vista does this same option come up? I wouldn't know since the very thought of the WGA tells me that I don't want to upgrade from XP to Vista. As a result I went to Linux and saved myself an hour or so every couple of days in not having to run spyware detectors and security programs. From what I have seen in comments on Vista the people having problems are having these same messages that I get and I just have to click through on them with Linux. I guess Vista does not trust the people who bought it enough to let them through.
It is absoluytly Microsofts Fault
by wizardb - 3/14/07 6:55 PM In reply to: A little help for you by edge_bitfor putting a non compliant browser out in the wilds IE of all flavors suck it is a totally non compliant POS and pretty much always has been!!
Should I upgrade to Vista?
by getzxx - 3/15/07 2:32 PM In reply to: It is absoluytly Microsofts Fault by wizardbI bought a new computer at Christmas and it has Windows XP Media Center. HP notified me that I could upgrade free to Vista. I am afraid to do it since Vista is so new, I expect there will be many problems beyond my limited technical abilities to deal with. Any suggestions as to whether I should take the upgrade?
Your Banking Site and Java - Let Me Help
by pmchefalo - 3/14/07 5:08 PM In reply to: Assigning fault doesn't help! by theneuronSeveral years ago, Sun Microsystems sued the h*ll out of Microsoft regarding Sun's (defective) product Java. Part of the settlement was that Microsoft could no longer distribute their version of Java (which was faster and smaller), and thus this would ensure that all end users would have to visit Sun's www.java.com Web site to download Java. (The suit was about the time of XP SP1, and Microsoft had to release XP SP1a to remove their Java from circulation.) By forcing users to visit their site, Sun could negotiate a way to get money from Google to distribute Google software.
Sun has done a lot with the Java franchise: the most notable is releasing FIVE security patches for their one runtime library in the last seven months. They're not done yet, since if you visit the update history site they're still working on flaws reported in 2005.
So visit the Sun web site, download the latest version and your banking site will work. What won't work is your control over the patching of Sun's flaws. They will load an updater on your PC that runs constantly so it can check once a month to see if the latest batch of flaw fixes are ready.
What a Crock
by wizardb - 3/14/07 7:03 PM In reply to: Your Banking Site and Java - Let Me Help by pmchefaloSun sued because Microsoft was rewriting code they didn't own to lock out competing browsers and software and to make web sites that wouldn't work with any browser except explorer,that is what the law suit was about and in typical Microsoft thieving fashion they didn't stop using someone else's code until the courts forced them!
PS If Microsoft really wants to find the biggest pirates in computerland all they have to do is look in the mirror!!!
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