Windows Vista: Windows Vista Bugs
.Net is part of the problem
by krissimouse - 3/14/07 4:32 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamSome of the problems I had were with the different versions of .NET and since it's not backwards compatible that makes it Microshaft's fault.
Sounds Technical ... But Explain With Example
by pmchefalo - 3/14/07 4:39 PM In reply to: .Net is part of the problem by krissimouseThis is the first time I've heard of the issue. I wrote and ran a .Net 2.0 app on Vista ...
Oi oi
by meisinscotland - 3/14/07 4:58 PM In reply to: .Net is part of the problem by krissimouse"Microshaft"? Thats not very nice!
Vista compatibility
by d.arbib - 3/14/07 4:39 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI remember the problems that occured when going from 98SE to XP. My suggestion, for what its worth, is that staying with a comfortable XP setup is very positive (32 bit not 64 bit version) and to have a completely separated Vista HDD. I am installing a hot-swap facility in one of the 5.25 inch bays (losing CD. but can play CD's in DVD R/W)
OS upgrades need to have backwards compatibility
by AZ_user - 3/14/07 4:39 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI could understand if some S/W would break on an OS upgrade, but there is way too much this time. It is not reasonable to say that the S/W vendors are responsibile since it is not unusual for a vendor to have gone out of business, yet the program may still be in use.
I programed on DEC VMS for many years. While we were on version 7.X most programs build on 1.0 still worked. And the changes DEC brought over the 10-20 years in between made the vista change look very minor.
MS should have created much better backwards compatibility.
Yeah That Strategy Worked Perfectly for DEC ...
by pmchefalo - 3/14/07 5:29 PM In reply to: OS upgrades need to have backwards compatibility by AZ_userOh, by the way, what version of VMS can you run those apps on today? With the great strategy that you've talked about, I may run out and BUY DEC STOCK!
Oh, wait, the Wiki says that DEC is out of business. Hmmm ... what could have been the problem? The software strategy was perfect, RIGHT? Years of stability.
Controlling the HW gives you more control over the SW
by chuckmccann - 3/14/07 6:43 PM In reply to: OS upgrades need to have backwards compatibility by AZ_userI, too, used VMS and experienced the compatibility - but that was when one (or few) vendors controlled the HW, and the HW and SW cost large $. In today's commodity (e.g. non-MAC) environment, the possible combinations of HW and SW vendors becomes astronomical pretty quickly. We've given up mainframe-class stability, but have also given up the pricing levels associated with it.
Maybe Microsoft IS to blame !
by MENINBLK - 3/14/07 4:40 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamWell, since you put it that way, if Microsoft would give Software and Hardware vendors sufficient notice that it is completely changing the way an OS works, and send out that notice within a reasonable amount of time, the Software and Hardware vendors would not have to scramble at the last moment, and after the launch of the new OS, to come up with some type of support that *maybe* works with the new OS.
All this does is make Microsoft LOOK like the good guy, and the market look bad.
This is not justifyable, and it is BAD for everyone's relationship.
Microsoft is just as responsible for planning and courtesy, as the Software and Hardware vendors are.
Abusing this makes enemies of your supporters, and will leave you with less and less supporters, every time you do this to your supporters. This makes your products less and less likely to even have any support.
Windows Vista Bugs and SONY
by JMZ - 3/14/07 4:43 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI think its Microsoft's fault and third party vender's fault as well.
I'm sure Microsoft notified in my case SONY that they would have to update there drivers, but Sony wants to sell new computers, and like our president, there screwing the whole world.
I guess the almighty dollar comes before human decency.
JMZ
As one who has developed a lot of software on Windows...
by Sith840 - 3/14/07 4:44 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI blame Microsoft. They tend to change interfaces, with little warning or notice in advance. They tend to move from one technique that is preferred to another, but they only check with the top software companies (including themselves of course). In theory, any developer can get on their beta program, but it is amazing how many things are changed between the last developer's beta and the golden release.
Obviously, the problem is severe with drivers, because they are so close to the OS/kernel. But, whereas they use layered interfaces for DirectX for example, they are not good with drivers. It is not just drivers, but also code which relies on standard drivers at the lower level (such as USB) - they often make behavioral changes which can have all sorts of nasty impacts.
Vista incompatibility
by jmw29406 - 3/14/07 4:44 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamI would tend to point a finger at Microsoft.
Fortunately there are still a lot of places where you can buy XP.
Out of a dozen friends who ignored warnings and "upgraded", 10 have called me for help reinstalling XP and 1 to Linux.
Where can you buy XP?
by leighdavidus - 3/14/07 4:48 PM In reply to: Vista incompatibility by jmw29406I have yet to find a laptop for sale -- new that has XP -- Don't want to buy new and uninstall Vista --
Vista works fine for me
by archer75 - 3/14/07 4:56 PM In reply to: Vista incompatibility by jmw29406This is all Hardware and Software vendors fault. They have had access to Vista for a very long time now. I'm not even a developer and I could get a hold of vista for more than a year now. They all just got really lazy. I'm betting Nvidia is dragging their feet because Microsoft gave the XBOX 360 contract to ATI and Nvidia is pissed.
However i'm lucky. All of my hardware works just fine. Either Vista installed drivers by default or they were simply available for download. Of course I checked with all of the hardware vendors first.
My programs and games work fine too.
People complain about having to spend money to upgrade their PC's and then go and buy an overpriced mac. Doesn't make much sense to me when upgrades or even new PC's cost a fraction of the amount of a new Mac.
At least I have the freedom to install Vista on hardware of my choice. I hate how Apple locks you into their hardware and then eliminates the ability to upgrade your own video card.
Sorry, but I still not a happy camper
by Seticat - 3/14/07 4:48 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamYes, I understand everyone's point of view that MS is only responsible for the OS it creates and that the various other software and hardware should be responsible for theirs. And many of them have, in some fashion.
But for me to buy Vista, make my system Vista compatible [various new card upgrades, etc.]and then pay for all the software upgrades [or totally new versions], just to make the things I use day to day compatible [not counting my husband's system] will end up costing me a whole lot more in the short and long run then chucking it all and going out and get 2 Mac e-books [one for my self and one for my husband] and their docking stations *or* simply saying *CRUD!* and shifting both of our systems over to Linux.
And then there's the problem of staying with XP Pro. I've been good about reloading the OS every few months as encourage by the MS gurus. But ya know? After a coupe of installs, you have to call MS tech support and get a brand new install number because the old one locks out. So with this in mind, and Vista coming out, I called MS Tech and asked what will happen if I have to reload my OS after they stop supporting XP. The good gentleman said that the replacement serial will no longer be provided and I will have to change over to Vista. So we're looking at a situation where MS won't support an MS product.
Sweet.
So, I'm being told that even though I have an OS I like using [I've finally tweaked it where I want it] and programs that run well under it, I'm supposed to chuck it all, buy new hard and software, new programs, etc all because MS doesn't work and play well with others?
I think I see the 'penguin inside' coming up in my future. Just my opinion. No one has to agree with it.
3rd parties and Microsoft, eeehh...
by meisinscotland - 3/14/07 4:48 PM In reply to: Windows Vista Bugs by photohamTo tell you the truth, I think a lot of the time its the third parties are to blame. I can tell you now, I can install a fresh copy of Windows (9x, NT or whatever) onto a Virtual Machine or a real computer, and run it as is, with no extra 3rd party applications, and it would be flawless. Sure, you can do virtually nothing with it, but the point is, the MICROSOFT part of the system is flawless. You start to load it with apps, and DLLs, registry keys, and all that jazz all starts to pile up and pile up until one day: PROBLEM!!
I actually think MS are getting round this very well by integrating products such as the AntiVirus and AntiSpyware protection into their systems. Sure, it crushes the third party opposition, but you think, as a customer you are actually better off. All these people that run with little or no protection? Well no more. And when and if I upgrade to Vista in a good few years, I aint gonna purchase or download seperate anti-virus products! Nope. When I truly think of it, I believe Microsoft are in it to make it all better for the customer; they arent trying to crush the opposition, they are trying to put the customer at ease (at least in my opinion).
Yea, this is he who used to Microsoft bash, but yea, I have matured a lot since then (I am 16) and I have looked at the real facts. And to be honest it looks like Microsoft arent so bad as people make them out to be.
It should be the third parties that update their software, not Microsoft who makes the Vista core obsolete to fit into the groove.
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