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Internet explorer 7 not compatible with Vista
by eddavisdpm - 3/14/07 8:09 PM In reply to: msn messenger by JambortaI had purchase an HP laptop with Vista the second week of Feb. Zero compatibility with my Canon scanners and printers despite downloading the latest drivers. It came with IE6 not IE7. Why? The preloaded IE6 crashed within two days causing other problems with the system. I was informed that IE6 and Vista are tightly integrated. Luckily, I had downloaded Firefox the day before so I could still get to the net. I used Firefox to download IE7. I then loaded IE7 but an error message came up stating that IE7 is not compatible with Vista. After logging approximately 4 hours total trying to access tech support, I threw in the towel and took the computer back to the store. I proceeded to purchase a Mac. I plugged the Mac into the wall, plugged in the peripherals and was up and running, full compatibility, in minutes.
Your post doesn't even make any sense.
by metsfan421 - 3/14/07 11:52 PM In reply to: Internet explorer 7 not compatible with Vista by eddavisdpmWindows Vista doesn't even come with IE 6 it comes with IE 7. How is it tightly integrated with IE 6? I hate when people post and have no idea what they are talking about....
Vista comes with IE6
by eddavisdpm - 3/15/07 5:29 AM In reply to: Your post doesn't even make any sense. by metsfan421I hate to tell you this but MY computer came with Vista and IE6 so YOU are the one who makes no sense. IE7, as mentioned, was not usable with Vista, the error message announced the non-compatibility.
Umm no
by Cythrawl - 3/15/07 6:01 AM In reply to: Vista comes with IE6 by eddavisdpmYou are wrong.... IE6 DOES NOT come with Vista, You must have a hacked copy... or a Vista Transformation pack on top of XP sold as Vista.
ALL copies of vista from Home Basic to Ultimate come with IE7.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/choose.mspx
Really do some research before posting crap...
I blame Microsoft and hope software companies leave it alone
by villandra - 3/14/07 4:49 PM In reply to: Vista compatibility by floridajimmyI blame Microsoft, and I hope the software and hardware manufacturers stick to their guns and continue to do nothing about the incompatibilities.
Y'all know, there IS Linux, and I guess that from the sound of it, when I can no longer use Windows XP, I will finally make the switch.
In addition to Vista, tehre are problems with IE 7. For instance, some HP printers can't print from it. My good HP printer happens to be one of them.
My brother in law, who works for IBM, was involved in helping state agencies to switch to Linux, after Microsoft pulled that stunt with forcing companies to relicense Windows every year. I believe that Microsoft finally stopped that particular piece of nonsense.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
blame microsoft
by kristvitale1973 - 3/14/07 4:55 PM In reply to: Vista compatibility by floridajimmyOf course MS is to blame. They should not have released vista without making sure that the third party vendors were all up to speed. Maybe those HP printers are never going to work with vista. MS at the very least should have given people of list of what problems were looming if they upgraded, what would work, what would not. But that's not the way MS works, never has, never will. Their way or the highway.
Switch to MAC! The new mac's will probably also run vista if you are ever foolish enough to go back.
MAC is Back
by crateman - 3/14/07 4:59 PM In reply to: Vista compatibility by floridajimmyI started with MAC and since 1990, everybody has argued and convinced me to go PC. Truth is a PC has NEVER held a candle to the MAC for ease of use, trouble-free uptime, and seamless uptime. Not even close. Now MAC does just about everything PC's do, even running a Microsoft os almost as fast as a native machine. It's time to jump ship!! Why VISTA when you can OS-X
Not ready for Vista
by mcmillan968 - 3/14/07 5:12 PM In reply to: Vista compatibility by floridajimmyAHH its starting again MS upgrades the OS and if you wanna play then YOU need new harware!!Is it MS fault did they give out codes to 3rd parties early enough?Or did the 3rd party decide to blame MS and not put in the patches so you would BUY new hardware??Because they knew you wouldnt wait too long going without.
Lets see for VI$TA you need $$$$
You need more memory go buy it
" " " faster processor " " "'
" " " video card go buy it
You need better computer go buy it
You need better peripherals _________
sounds like VISTA is a MONEY MAKER for EVERYONE but US!!!
RE
by 4cws.com - 3/14/07 6:53 PM In reply to: Vista compatibility by floridajimmyHi All,
this is a lively discussion. I just finished reading the news letter and though I better put my 2c in.
I have been in sales and service of PC's since the days of D.O.S. and can remember when MS was a Godsend. With w95 I developed a love hate relationship with M$. With each new OS release That relationship became more hate than love.
Since 98SE I have always offered the advice to clients wanting to upgrade to Wait and not be the first with the new OS at least on production machines. Stay with what is working. Why? Because if it is not broke don't fix it. (best policy)
So, Why is M$ to blame and not the 3rd party software providers or even the hardware providers? Maybe, it is because MS as usual uses proprietary protocols and then does not release specs or source code so that the 3rd party and Hardware providers can develop for that platform. I believe that ultimately this will be to Bill's demise and the end of Windowz.
My roll has changed over the years and I no longer am in the PC sales/service arena and staying current with the leading edge technology & software are secondary to reliability/usability. Computers and software are still a big part of my business and now that I am on the other side of the fence so to speak, finding technology / software solutions becomes more an issue of stability and compatibility than having the latest OS...
I see a few of you have mentioned open-source solutions like Linux...
Although Linux and other open-source projects are getting much closer to providing a desktop OS/environment solution many of us are getting OLDER (God forbid) and adapting (learning) to change from what we are used to is not as easy as it use to be. For those of you who learn much faster trying the desktop ready Linux distros, such Ubunto and MEPIS will pay off big time by allowing you to break free of the MS Bonds.
In conclusion I don't Blame M$ for being the capitalist they are or the others for looking bad in their wake. No, I blame our educational system. That is right. What ever happed to the "teach a person how to fish vs giving a fish attitude". If the leaders in our education system were not so apathetic and greedy to spend yours and my money on the easy way out M$ would not be what it is today and we would not be in bondage to the consumer mentality that is plaguing our society.
Take a stand demand your local educational system quit squandering your hard earned tax dollars on technology that traps us into the "consumer mentality" and start using technology that teaches our children to be innovators.
When I went to school calculators were not allowed to be used to solve math problems. Too bad you say, What a convenience they are. Yes I agree they are a convenience, but when the battery is dead or one is not handy I can still solve problems and be innovative. Do you Think the students who always relied on the calculator to solve their math problems can do anything but consume? Yes/No
If you said yes, WRONG!!! No, all production will stop until a calculator is provided. Hence, going to purchase a calculator in order to solve a problem and continue production. I see this consumer mentality every day.
Back in the day (school) I learned to solve problems and innovate solutions to make the hardware technology useful.
What do you think windows or MAC PC's for that matter are doing right now? Keeping us in the bondage of consuming not to mention thinking for us so we don't have to.
What do you think would happen if our schools switched to open-source for their software solutions? First they would save $$... that could be used improve other aspects of education that are being neglected. Choose your (topic/category)and lets discuss it in a new forum. Secondly the life of hardware would be extended saving even more $$$... Most importantly eventual freedom from M$ and the "consumer mindset".
Place the blame where it really belongs, then help become part of the solution. That is my motto. However, it is and always will still be OK to go on HATING m$.
Vista is Microsoft's fault...to an extent
by rakl - 2/16/07 6:56 AM In reply to: Microsoft vs third-party vendors... by John.Wilkinson
I work for a rapidly growing ISV and I know the Vista issues first hand. We wanted to start working on retooling things so that we could support Vista back in July. Every year we pay over $50K to Microsoft to buy support and all of their development tools, etc as part of their MS Dev line of products and services. We were flat out DENIED access, even if we were to sign iron-clad NDA's which would let Microsoft crush our little company with their legal minions. The only way we could get a copy of Vista was to order a computer from Dell with it on it and wait until it was released to get it. There wasn't even any "heads up" info on their subscription only MS Dev website regarding what common items "could" be an issue with Vista.
On the other hand, we do hear people criticize Windows stability. We run multiple ASP's using our code running on a Windows Server platform and these servers are rather low maintenance and have uptimes of months on end (after which we update our code to add features, etc). Too many companies slam Microsoft for the wrong things. What they should criticize them over is their blatant lack of regard for all of the companies who develop apps, tools, and drivers for their OS which makes it much more desireable. Vista shows that Microsoft is insecure and wishes that they were Apple, so they're trying the "not play ball with anyone" approach. Pretty sad.
How About Some Personal Accountability Here?
by vestige - 3/14/07 4:16 PM In reply to: Vista is Microsoft's fault...to an extent by raklGreetings:
Gee, here's a novel concept...how about we stop blaming Microsoft and the third-party vendors for these problems and instead point our crooked fingers at ourselves for making the voluntary CHOICE to upgrade to Vista? Wow. Wouldn't it be a breath of fresh air for us to actually accept some ownership for our own decisions and their consequences, rather than always finding somebody else to be our software villain?
Stiffen up your quivering lower lips, quit whining, and move along. Sheesh.
What choice do people have?
by eddavisdpm - 3/14/07 8:14 PM In reply to: How About Some Personal Accountability Here? by vestigeAfter Feb. 1 2007 almost all PCs were being sold with Vista. People believed the hype and are not to be blamed. One need proceed to the privately owned store that make in-house PC's in ordr to get the old operating system. Keep in mind that it will not take long for Microsoft to make the former operating system scarce.
Vista vs. everything else
by mittens - 3/14/07 4:36 PM In reply to: Vista is Microsoft's fault...to an extent by raklit seems as if Microsoft made no effort toward compatibility, and in its arrogance and surety that folks would flock to Vista neglected to realize that not everyone has a clue as to why they can't run most of their old favorites, not everyone has the kind of money to replace their old drivers with spiffy new ones, not everyone wants to.
Its one thing to sell Vista to someone who is buying their first computer. Its another to sell it to someone who is upgrading from Xp or ME or something else.
In a way its like buying a brand new car and discovering that your old favorite gasoline won't work in it. You need the New Car Gas, and batteries from the New Car company, since Delco and Sears aren't compatible. You cant even buy replacement wiper blades because all the specs are changed.
They got ya, and its the old company store all over again.
Gimme A Break
by pmchefalo - 3/14/07 4:55 PM In reply to: Vista vs. everything else by mittensDo you want Bill Gates to bring the DVD to your house, too?
And yep, new cars did have "new car gas" a few years back. They made the fuel inputs smaller so that only unleaded gas nozzles would fit.
And a DVD is not the same as a CD, EVEN THOUGH THEY LOOK THE SAME. What's up with THAT!
How come all my digital cameras have different memory cards???? Wah, wah, wah.
missing the point
by mittens - 3/15/07 8:03 AM In reply to: Gimme A Break by pmchefalothe point I was making was that ONE company is attempting to force everyone to use their products, and making it as difficult as possible to use anyone else's. Not that theirs are any better, but if you don't have the competitors out there, and can't USE something else for comparison, then you'll never know, will you.
Up until now Microsoft has been fairly backwards compatible, and allowed nearly anything you wanted to put on the machine. I have ME and XP on the same machine, and while ME is seven years old and no longer supported by MS, I can still run XP on the same machine, with the same printer, drivers, video card, sound card. I did not have to buy several thousand dollars worth of new approved peripherals when I switched over.
The programs I was using in ME were easily transferred over. THIS is the point. can you do that with Vista?
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