Question:
Here's my questions to you guys and gals. Someone at work recommended to me to use Limewire to download music from, however I have heard through other people to avoid it, as such programs are illegal to use and possibly unsafe. I would like to try Limewire to get music, but I'm afraid to use it because of what I'm hearing from others. So is it legal or not? When they mention being unsafe, is it the music that is unsafe or are we talking about something else. Sorry I sound so naive, but this is all new to me and I'm very curious. Thanks for any advice.
Submitted by Brandy L.
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Brandy, LimeWire is a P2P (Peer-to-Peer) sharing application along the same lines as the old Napster, WinMX, and a
plethora of others. Users log in, share their files, and search for others with music or videos or what not to download.
The problem with LimeWire (and the other P2P sharing apps) isn't that the application itself is "illegal" to use--it's the
content being shared. And therein lies the crux of the problem. SOME content is perfectly legal to share. Either the
song or video is public domain, or the license for the song allows people to share it with reckless abandon. New groups
sometimes grant licenses like this in order to "spread the word" so they can gain a listening audience.
Then there's the rest of the content universe. Most music and videos out there are NOT freeware. Most music by popular artists are protected by copyrights and such and if you download them, you could seriously be violating the law. ALL feature films are likewise protected by copyrights and downloading them IS likewise a big no-no.
The problem is determining exactly what is legit and what isn't. None of the P2P apps have any indicators that will tell you if the song's OK to download or is a one way ticket into trouble. You have to do a bit of research to see if a given song or video is OK to download or not.
And if that weren't enough... It gets worse. The RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) and the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) have been fighting back on a number of fronts. You've probably heard of 7 year old kids being sued for downloading a couple of songs. The RIAA and MPAA have software that can trace songs back to their point of origin by way of the IP (Internet Protocol) address of the person allegedly sharing the content. Never mind that the software in question is by NO means foolproof - there have been cases where they've tracked a song to an IP address only to find that the computer located at the address in question has NO trace of either music or video files, nor the programs allegedly used to share the files, NOR any trace that they were ever on the person's hard drive.
The other main methodology behind the RIAA/MPAA's plans to combat piracy is to "pollute" the sharing system with bogus files. On the one hand, the files may contain the first 30 odd seconds of a given song or a few minutes of a given video, but the rest of the file is garbage or lots of 0's - dead silence. If you download it from one of their agents, they record your IP address and send you a nasty gram demanding money. If you get it from someone else, they still win because the file is incomplete junk and you've wasted time and effort downloading it.
Needless to say, MOST people nailed in these operations by the RIAA/MPAA get sued for copyright infringement. Most of these people usually cave in and pay their ransom (read: settle out of court) instead of fighting back. The reason behind this is obvious. It's far cheaper to pay a few thousand dollars than to hire a lawyer, go to court, and ultimately potentially lose the case - and then have to pay THEIR lawyer's fees as well as your own on top of whatever punitive damages the court decides you need to pay the RIAA/MPAA member in question.
As far as safety's concerned... It's not worth the effort either. Software obtained from services like this can be corrupted, or otherwise infected with who knows what viruses and such. It can cause more problems than it solves.
So the bottom line - while it may be an appealing means to get your music, video or software fix, you may find yourself in heap big trouble. The "glory days" of downloading stuff willy-nilly on P2P networks are over. Unless you're filthy rich or you're a world class hacker who can cover your tracks on the web with the skills of a cyber-ninja and are an expert in solving software problems, it just isn't worth the hassle.
It's far cheaper to buy a CD, rip the tracks you want and keep it in your archives OR buy the track/video from a legitimate source than to get busted by the RIAA/MPAA storm troopers for sharing a few songs or go to court and really get the shaft.. Thus far, the RIAA/MPAA has an almost bulletproof record in winning the cases where the case went to court.
Submitted by: Pete Z. (CNET member: Wolfie2k5)
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As far as I know, Limewire has been safe on Mac OS X, though I have heard some complaints from Windows users about it (possibly) being spyware. I wouldn't be surprised if it "phoned home", especially the more recent versions.
As far as the legality of downloading music, if the music is copyrighted, as most (popular) music is, then the short answer is- Yes, it's illegal. It's also illegal to (then) share the music, which Limewire does by default by placing the downloaded music in a "shared" folder. If you're looking for popular, licensed music to dowload, your best bet is one of the legit services like iTunes, Zune.net, Rhapsody.com or others- WalMart has a services as well. Also, a quick search will yield many, many free sources for downloadable music with (more) liberal licenses, and the independents and new artists often release music without (some of these) restrictions.
Of much greater concern I believe is the ethical issue of downlading (copyrighted) music, but you'll have to deal with this yourself.
I hope this was of some help to you.
Ive used LIMEWIRE for some time now.Ihavnt had any problems @ all.I have NORTON antivirus,but Im not sure if that is the reason why.I wasnt sure until now if it was ilegal.I reackon the music should be availabls too us the fan cause these muzoes wouldnt have jack if we(the fan)didnt give a dam.LIMEWIRE ROCKS4EVA!!!!!!!!!!!
but not your very basic orthography... Do you speak American Javanese?
I hate reading SMS texts on the web, and people SO LAZY that they type on their PC with a cumfortable keyboard as if it was a mobile phone, or sending emails to their wellknown friends!
Such language is acceptable with them, if they accept it, but not here. I'm nearly sure you can do much better, but are too lazy to make minimum efforts.
Absolutely no respect for other readers that you don't know...
(Note: English is not my primary language, I learnt it at school. I think I type much better English text than you, a native speaker... Sorry to others, if there remains undetected typos, or if my English is not perfect).
LOL
http://www.guidenet.net/resources/wanker.html
BTW: most Americans don't write that way. Personally, it annoys the heck out of me! (It is good in a way though, I can instantly tell if a post is not worth reading!)
But that cd was stolen from me?
Well I had over 700 cd's stolen from me and about 200 vinyls as well, when my roomates decided that they needed money for rent when I was out of town tending to a relative. Now because of such software I am able to get all this music back without having to pay for all the discs again. So is that illegal of me.
And yes I know I would have a hard time proving that I owned these albums, and please do not say that "two wrongs do not make a right".
The person who took your property without your permission was in the wrong - plain and simple.
That is true of anyone who takes property without permission, wouldn't you say?
Your best reaction would be to force your roomates to pay you back. Hold them responsible. The law will back you on that. Even if it means taking them to court, which would suck, but there are the small claims courts to handle it cheap and without a lawyer. You could even go on one of the TV court shows, as I believe they will pay you regardless of win or loose just to argue on TV so they can sell advertising.
What you are doing is as follows,
Your roomates kicked you.
You didn't like it.
You're gonna kick someone else (who you don't even know)
Is that the kind of world you want to create?
Champ get a grip.Its a song.These people make millions.Plain & simple TOO BLOODY BAD.
For some of us, it's not just a song - it's our way of making a living.
I had the #1 requested song on American Alternative rock radio during the height of Napster in 2000. After decades of working for promises of a pay off 'some day', I was robbed of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It's not just a song.
However, to you, it's just 99¢ to be legal and to 'water the bush that brings you the fruit' of our labor. Which one of us is being greedy?
check,im also an artist,i blow and sell glass,if i sell my glass to a distributer and i dont get paid because others can get what ive made for free or almost free somewhere else,thats just too bad for me i guess,u may not think these two things are linked but 4 yrs ago the glass market was doing really well,then someone took a bunch of legally purchased items to india to have them coppied for pennies.now what i sold for 300$ 4 yrs ago i now sell for 45$.should i blame the people who are benifiting from almost free art?or should i just do what i do an hope things go bak to the way they were?they wont.its all about change,when napster gave away music,the music industry changedwith the times,we now have stricter copyright laws,ect..., but times must change.technology makes some problems (well fix em sooner or later) but it also makes things easier.when u go on limewire,et al,most of the time you get 1 or 2 song off an album(1 or 2 uncorrupt files, Maybe more but i dont wanna i dont wanna get into stats) ill bet more than a few people have downloaded something,liked it,couldnt find more,or needed a better copy,they went out an bought the album,or atleast the song they wanted.ive done it,i dwnloaded a song,an bought the album. anyways,the world changes,an we change with it,sorry u lost money,but whatever,u roll the dice,u take yo chances.................peace
D3V1ANT 1, thank you for your thoughtful perspective on the changes in the industry. My girlfriend is a big fan of blown glass and we frequent shows and purchase from the unique artisans whose work we appreciate.
You state:
"i dont get paid because others can get what ive made for free or almost free somewhere else,thats just too bad for me i guess,"
I have good news for you. Your guess is wrong. The basic premise for doing business in a civilized society is a 'contract', which can be written or verbal. If you are not paid on your work, you have a right to demand payment, and sue if necessary. This is because you gave them in exchange for a promise of payment.
If you pull into a gas station, fill up your car, then drive away without paying, the gas company would try to track you down and sue you for stealing. It's a breach of an unwritten contract.
Your argument is that, if enough people steal, it is no longer stealing - it's just progress.
I also understand the argument that many have bought albums that they never would have found without the benefit of illegal downloading. I do not argue that fact. And if that happened more often than not, the record industry would not be up in arms, for, although the practice would technically be illegal, they would not be egar to sue, as they would be showing a benefit from the practice due to record sales going up!
According to this report on National Public Radio, sales have dropped by 20% so far this year! It also states that illegal downloads are 12 times that of legal downloads. This report was published yesterday, but the trend has been going on since 2000, when P2P went mainstream.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9072292&sc=emaf
The other issue you describe is a problem that faces many businesses. How dow you compete with an off shore company undercutting you with immitations of your work? Ross Perot has made the argument that to compete, we must surpass the quality of work done overseas. I feel that is your best defense in the blown glass industry, for as an artisan who puts your name on your art, the care you give will easily distinguish your product. It is unique. In the automotive industry, the popularity of Toyota has not reduced the value of Mercedes.
In the music industry, the original performance of the artist is near impossible to imitate. A couple of minutes in a Karaoke Bar, or a listen to any 'tribute' album prove this to be true. So, the original has more value than any copy - EXCEPT an exact copy of the original! Modern technology has provided common people with the power to create exact copies, and P2P sharing enables the crime. The gun is not illegal, but it is important to teach the law to those who own them, and protect the rights of victims when they do not.
So, I appreciate your sympathy for my situation, and I encourage you to stand up for your rights when you are wronged, to continue to surpass your competition's quality, and to use ethics in your downloading.....peace.
Dude. You want the benefits of technology, but you don't want the pitfalls. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. You and your buddies have lower overhead than ever on producing media and still you charge more than when it was expensive to produce. Your greed will be your undoing. People have always traded and recorded music with their friends and family for music they did not have, or had tired of.
All the politicians in your pockets will never change that!!!
You want the luxury of "perputual profits" from music and film.
How would you like it if you were forced to give the maker of your automobile a fat fee when you sold it to your neighbor? or, were told you could not sell it at all? what if you had to pay a fee every time you got in the driver seat? put a coin in a slot, then take it to a dealer every month to have it emptied?
YOU KNOW YOU WOULD SCREAM BLOODY MURDER!!!!!!! It's the same logic.
An automobile, your house, your UNDERWEAR, etc, are all intellectual property. What if you had to pay a fee everytime you used everything you touch??? You people want a life that 'ABSOLUTELY NO ONE ELSE ENJOYS'. It is absurd to think you can create anything and receive perpetual profits. Also, your buddies have coerced polititians into rewriting copyright laws that have stood for centuries, which made all media copyrights "EXPIRE" after a set amount of time in hopes that the public will eventually become ignorant to the concept and accept being forever robbed and raped like the ingorant cattle most of the public has become!! NOT GONNA HAPPEN WITH ME BUD!!!
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