Buzz Out Loud Lounge: Is it true? Vista upgrades invalidate XP licenses???
Apple indeed
by nmharleyrider - 2/2/07 6:36 AM In reply to: Money, all about money. by BretTaylorThere are no promises from any company with software as complex as this. You have to realize there are bugs in any software that does anything and no matter how much alpha and beta testing is done there will remain some bugs in the product. If you want 100% guarantees, remove all software from your computer including you current OS, whatever it is and however old it is as it probably still has unfound and known unresolved bugs in it. My god, the complexity of this software with its thousands and thousands of modules designed to keep us users happy with all the bells and whistles we want or we complain as well as the huge variety of hardware we buy, some which is not compatible with others profers a huge challenge to a software company. Apple for years only supported their own hardware and so there is a definite and finite limit to the number of variations in their hardware configurations. Of course Apple always cost more and did not have the wide range of software available that we all wanted. It's a trade off, pay more, get less, get fewer bugs or pay less, get lots more, but get a few bugs which rarely affect the average user anyway. IT's not about money, it's about moving ahead technology-wise.
OK so where is it???
by dakz2006 - 2/2/07 12:19 PM In reply to: Apple indeed by nmharleyriderOK I can agree with your oppinion, and as one of the millions of Vista testers I had a chance to try all the developments as they came, including Vista Longhorn Server 5600, you should try this, you will see the technology in action, forget the fancy visual effects you see with Vista, this looks exactly like Windows 2000, or Windows 2003.
Even with Vista you have the ability to turn off all the fancy visuals, and take a look at what you got. I fail to see any new technology there. It looks like a cross between XP and 2003, it acts like 2003, about as user friendly as 2003, the kernal is 2003. So since I am kinda new at this (about 30 years in computers) maybe you can help me with what new technology did Vista bring? An OS on a DVD? an overpriced spyware scanner? A new way to mess up dual booting, the speech engine that has been available from M$ for 11 years as a stand alone program? The fact that you can skin XP to look and act exactly like vista (Vista Transformation Pack 6) really shows that XP is still way ahead of Vista, and that if you go in vista and turn off all the fancy visuals you have a os that some software wont run on, has a built in spyware sweeper a pretty stable platform based on NT technology, use the NTFS system to save disk space...wait that is XP SP2 and windows 2003!
Reply to dakz2006
by slkpanther - 2/2/07 1:05 PM In reply to: OK so where is it??? by dakz2006Think I will stay with XP.... I would have stayed with Windows98 but since they weren't doing anymore regular updates for it I decided to go with XP and like it. Going to go with my instincts and stick with it. Every thing in me says not to go to Vista... same as I was feeling with WindowsMe.
About the Vista
by slkpanther - 2/2/07 11:16 AM In reply to: Seems similar in Xp by netmastaWhere did you get this information. Can you please include the link? I am in the process of informing all my email contacts about the downside of Vista so this would be helpful.
upgrade to vista
by lonesome_cowboy4 - 2/2/07 2:03 PM In reply to: About the Vista by slkpantherHi all, I'am some kinda new in this, but i've realised that an upgrade on a pc running xp is not that easy, 'causse it requires a lot off space of your harddrive, and if there isn't enough space you can't upgrade to vista, either ways vista has no media player as well, there need to be worked onso i suggest take a whole backup off your files and then install vista, if you want to confirm your pc's oem version it just gives back the serial numbre you've had before and just call the assistant to ask your numbre of your serial which has been deliverd of the first install of xp, so i hope this will work and i do hope you're satisfied to Denis
Vista and DRM
by RJ59 - 2/2/07 3:19 PM In reply to: About the Vista by slkpantherWant to inform all your e-mail contacts about the downside of Vista? Do like I've done, and send 'em this link: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
What Microsoft has done here is an absolute disgrace, and I guarantee you anyone reading this in depth study won't be in a rush to go out and get this turkey.
buggered machine
by nmharleyrider - 2/2/07 6:28 AM In reply to: From Vista’s EULA by ozyman4269That's not ambiguous, that's disasterous.
Not surprising
by benanzo - 2/2/07 11:28 AM In reply to: From Vista’s EULA by ozyman4269The biggest barrier to adoption of MS' new OSs has always been convincing users to leave the old one. DOS gave way to win3.0-1 which took a long time. Even today, there are some 30million win98 users. That's almost a 10 year old OS.
Dell, HP, etc. began shipping Vista upgrade machines 3 months ago, right? So that means that when the purchaser of that machine got it home, they had XP SP2 installed. They also had a coupon for a Vista upgrade. So now, they are redeeming their coupons and getting the upgrade version of Vista in the mail. But should they install it? Many knowledgable people would suggest no. This does not mean that they are not firing it up just to have a look and see what all the hoopla is. But, because it is the upgade version, they are legally prohibited from then going back to XP (which they paid for as well.) It would be very easy to enforce this policy if the user registered their new Vista upgrade during the install. It would send both product keys (the old XP PK and the new Vista PK) to MS. If the user tried to wipe their machine and reinstall XP, they couldn't register it because MS knows that it was already upgraded to Vista. If that user then called MS and said: "Hey, I want XP back, not Vista." The rep would probably try their darndest to convince them to stay with Vista, but would then allow them to reinstall XP. I've personally installed my copy of WinXP Pro on several different machines (not at the same time.) Each install requires me to call MS. They know how many times I've installed and on all the different hardware. So why do they continue to allow me to use this copy? Market share. I always say: "I tried switching over to Linux when I got my new motherboard because XP had problems, but now I want to go back to XP. If I have to buy it again, I'll just stay with Linux." That scares/delights them. I'm just playing their game. MS needs piracy to maintain it's market share. Do you really think all these pirates are going to *buy* Vista if they can't pirate it? Some will, I think most wont. These are people who wouldn't buy MS software anyway, so to MS it's better if they pirate it so at least MS gets the market share. That's why MS will never be really serious about cracking down on wholesale piracy. It would only push illegal windows users to be legal (linux) users. That would cause a rapid uptake of desktop linux. That's market share that MS doesn't want to lose. Market share is just as important as money in this industry.
Pretty good points, but only one flaw in it all!
by dakz2006 - 2/3/07 2:56 PM In reply to: Not surprising by benanzoYour right about most of this, their is one small problem and you can read about it on M$ web site about fake copies of vista. in their own words They retain all rights to their intellectual property.
Think about this! You never can buy Windows, the $422 you pay for Vista Ultimate is not for Windows, or even a copy of it, and back when XP first came out they were saying the same thing.
you are buying a license to install this (either through upgrade or outright fresh install) but with the upgrade you must have a qualifying product, (they tried this before with 98SE), and you instantly surrender your rights to that license for the older version.
But the fact is here and if you read the EULA you will see that you never own the software, you never own a copy of it, if you did you could do with it as you want, install it on as many computers as you wanted, back in the day the first thing in the Microsoft book that came with windows was to make a copy of windows and put the original away for safekeeping, then you owned the copy of the software.
Young Mr. Gates wants to blame all this on piracy. Which he is very guilty of back when he and Paul Allen wrote MS-DOS there were huge chunks of it stolen from IBM-DOS as well as several other DOS's that were around at the time. So lets apply some common sense to it, no one is pirating Linux cost more to do it then it cost to go and download it. And what is more likely to be pirated a software title that is free or one that costs over $400? Then Mr. Gates had the nerve to stand their and challenge the pirates saying that Vista couldn't be "cracked" and later that night there were cracks all over for the RC1 build of Vista. And no doubt there are scores of people sitting in front of their monitors looking at millions of lines of code, and no doubt that one of them will come up with a crack.
There is no doubt that Windows is intellectual property, can't argue that, there is no doubt that I didn't invent the spoon, but I can buy one and do whatever I want with it, and how arrogant of me if I was to to get upset because someone else wants to use a spoon, or God forbide they actually made improvements to it. Maybe I should go and patent the spoon and charge for a license to use my spoon.
And speaking of arrogance 2 thoughts to finish this, am I the only one that saw Microsoft go nuts since Bill Gates went before congress, (which you have to see the humor in knowing that all the documents against him were prepared in windows/office, like being killed by your own creation!) and am I the only one tired of hearing the richest man on earth whine about how much piracy is costing him! Tell you what Mr. Gates do your self and the world a favor, lower the price of Windows Vista to a point where it is not worth stealing, and you will see more money because you wont have to spend it on combating piracy, and more copies will be sold, rather then stolen! And shove your license up .....
Vista's Problems
by slkpanther - 2/2/07 11:19 AM In reply to: Is it true? Vista upgrades invalidate XP licenses??? by LifeStarAll I can say is that all along I have thought this is as bad as WindowsMe and we know how long that lasted. Then I read this thread and it is not only as bad as WindowsMe was but with an added... uuummm ... disability.
XP Vs. Vista Upgrade
by jljcom - 2/2/07 3:17 PM In reply to: Is it true? Vista upgrades invalidate XP licenses??? by LifeStarFor the layment like me, if I don't like my Vista upgrade and try to revert back to XP, I will lose my files/documents/settings etc. I had when I used XP?
- Jen
only if you don't backup your user directory
by benanzo - 2/2/07 10:43 PM In reply to: XP Vs. Vista Upgrade by jljcomThere is only one way to go back to XP from Vista, and that is to format your drive and reinstall XP. In that case everything will be gone. You need to make a copy of all your important files on a CD or external disk first. If you want all your settings (your bookmarks, etc) you need to copy your user directory as well. (C:\\Documents And Settings\Your_Username\) I forget the exact path (haven't used windows in a long time.) You should definitely do this before attempting the upgrade to Vista, because if it screws up, you need to have saved your stuff first. After XP is done reinstalling, just copy your user directory back to where it was and re-login. Most things will be back to normal. However, some stupid applications don't save their preferences in the user's directory, but instead save that stuff in its program directory (C:\\Program Files\Stupid_Program's_Folder). If that's the case, your screwed because all those preferences are toast unless you make a backup of each program's folder.
FYI, you will most likely have trouble re-validating XP's Product Key because if you registered Vista when you upgraded, MS probably invalidated the original XP key. Just call them and complain. Good Luck.
To upgrade or not to upgrade
by jazzy5 - 2/4/07 1:03 PM In reply to: Is it true? Vista upgrades invalidate XP licenses??? by LifeStarLet's look this from a logical standpoint. You buy your Windows Vista for $99 for the most basic Vista upgrade. Once you open the package you cannot return it. So bye bye to $99 or more. You did not read any of the Windows Vista upgrade review. You just when and install Vista and now you find out you did not like it. What do you do now?
We know you cannot return Vista. You jump into the middle of the ocean without knowing if you can swim. I believe you deserve to drown. They are hundred of Windows Vista review, so you can do a wise decision. From this point on you will need to reformat your hard drive and reinstall Windows XP. Usually you have around 10 days to a month to test drive Windows Vista before you have to register. Enought time to find out if Vista is for you. This way your Windows XP key is still good,
I might be wrong..
by benanzo - 2/4/07 3:05 PM In reply to: To upgrade or not to upgrade by jazzy5but, let me explain:
In December, a user bought a new Dell machine. It had XP SP2 installed. I assume the price of XP SP2 was bundled into the price of the machine, as was the upgrade coupon they got for Vista. Does that sound logical? MS charging Dell for a license to an OS that would (presumably) be invalidated in two months? Yeah, that sounds right. But, in order for Dell to offer the Vista upgrade coupon, I assume they had to buy that from MS also, thus passing that cost onto the purchaser of the machine. So, technically, that user bought one computer and two operating systems, with the vendors' (dell and ms) full intention of invalidating one if the other is installed and NOT offering a refund for the invalidated one which was only used for two months) This is starting to sound a little weird. I'll let you guys figure it out.
answer vista upgrades invalidate XP licenses
by anurags3 - 2/5/07 10:44 PM In reply to: Is it true? Vista upgrades invalidate XP licenses??? by LifeStaryes it is true
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