Mac OS X: apple computers and apple OS X
Send me a Bill!
by mrmacfixit
- 2/1/07 5:06 PM
In reply to: Forgive me if I mistook your intent by grimgraphix
"They don't call me "grim" for nothing."
What is the going rate for calling you Grim?, he said boldly.
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LOL
by grimgraphix - 2/2/07 8:58 AM In reply to: Send me a Bill! by mrmacfixit
I will email you my Pay Pal account address.
No more wooden nickles in the mail, please!
grim
Let me help you buddy
by rashidtem - 2/2/07 9:35 PM In reply to: first of all i do not just want to complain. by mshazerFirst, plz dont make fun of my grammar. My english may not be perfect so whoever wants to bash it please pay attention to the point i'm trying to make as long as it make sense to you. OK now let me get to the point buddy. I used windows for 15 years and then a magic happened that I end up purchasing 2 Power Mac G4 for my boss after he was told by some friends of his that they will be good for his business. Have you ever notice that all the mac users do act like its a cult? ever wonder why? we are not just some arrogant ******** (excuse my language). Let me try to explain it to you and plz have a open mind. Most of us have windows back ground and the day we started using OS X we did fall in love and believe me that is not a exaggeration. Next thing we started to wonder, what the hell is wrong with rest of the world they are using Windows. Its like you live in a city where everyone has the same problem and suddenly you find the solution and then you are trying to tell others the solution and they look at you that you are the one who is crazy but you know you are not because your solution prove to you that it will fix the problem that rest of the people has. I hope you got what i'm trying to say. We all see problems with Windows, I owned a superb machine with windows installed and on daily bases the problems i use to get, i thought that's how life is until i found out No there is a way out, there is a way to a better night sleep. There is a life without problems with drivers and dll issues and that is OS X. If you are still reading my long response let me tell you why Apple makes the OS and only allow it to be installed on only THEIR machines. One big reason windows have problems is CONFLICT between different components. Its like this, you gather body organs from different places and some how make a human being and now you install a brain made by somebody who has no idea about the organs and hope they'll get along, well sometime they do and most of the time they dont. Apple assemble body parts that are made for that brain so they all know what's going on and they make other software that also works flawlessly cuz they know that OS and the machine that iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD and other software are gonna be running on. Why are we so proud? Because we know and truly believe that we are absolutely right about our decision of using OS X. Open your mind and give OS X a try with a positive attitude and believe me you will love that decision of yours and will be proud of yourself cuz you switch. Good Luck
Hey GrimGrix....
by Alegoo92 - 2/1/07 2:45 PM In reply to: I would double check... by grimgraphixSorry about this irrelevance... but how do you put bolds and italics and other typefaces into your posts (as I saw you do in the lower portion of your comment). Do you simply use the HTML <b> bold <b> ?
Thanks,
Alex
Try these links...
by grimgraphix - 2/1/07 3:33 PM In reply to: Hey GrimGrix.... by Alegoo92BBS coding
and this one as well
Emoticons
even when I'm happy they call me...
"grim"
Thanks
by Alegoo92 - 2/3/07 4:18 PM In reply to: Try these links... by grimgraphixthanks for the help
Alex
in this forum you use different code...
by grtgrfx - 2/2/07 1:41 PM In reply to: Hey GrimGrix.... by Alegoo92Use the bracket symbol instead of an HTML caret, that is [your code] and [/your code]. For a link, use ["url="] instead of <"a href.">
Deal with it
by Alegoo92 - 2/1/07 2:43 PM In reply to: apple computers and apple OS X by mshazerApple keeping OS X on strictly-Apple hardware is not this terrible, evil thing. It is not even bad, because it allows software to funtion and sync just right with the hardware (which is definately implicated well into OS X) and allows the hardware to perform equally as well. Keep in mind it is called Mac OS X, implying that it is designed specially for the Mac (like the iPhone runs OS X---not MAC OS X...)
Technically there are some ways to get Mac OS X on a PC, I've seen it done, but why? If you can't afford a Mac, and do not want a Mac Mini, than I guess your not getting Mac OS X. Deal with it... stop expecting companies to shine your shoes and make your dinner...
OS X on other computers
by Safeauto - 2/2/07 4:38 AM In reply to: apple computers and apple OS X by mshazerApple OS can run on other computers. The problem you have is hardware compatibility. OS X is just a very good bundled Unix type operating system. If you ever used a Unix/Linux system, you would know that yes it can be put on just about any computer. The problem is that the hierarchy of the operating systems work differently and therefore the hardware has to be programmed differently. With MS users being around 95% of the PC market, companies build there hardware toward the MS Operating system code.
The companies cost to make their hardware compatible with all OS's would be high based on the % of people using each OS. Just like in a Unix/Linux system you could build your PC by buy the right parts. The cost to you would be higher. Apple has put together a total (very good) package for you, reducing the cost to you. HP, Sony, and Toshiba does the same thing with there systems and sells it to you.
Apple is Primarity a Hardware Company
by batavier - 2/2/07 11:12 AM In reply to: apple computers and apple OS X by mshazerUnlike Microsoft, Apple's main business is selling hardware, like computers. It produces Operating Systems and software in order to sell it's computers. Occasionally, and ofter reluctantly (as in the case of iTunes) is will make a windows version, by popular demand - and to sell more hardware (like iPods.)
Hope this explains
Don't forget
by boya84 - 2/2/07 11:31 AM In reply to: Apple is Primarity a Hardware Company by batavierQuickTime and FileMaker... And I don't recall that they provided these reluctantly or "by popular demand"... same with FireWire...
Personally, I *think* Apple is in the business of selling "systems" as opposed to "components"... Typically, hardware or software is not developed or produced as a standalone component but either a relatively complete "system" of interworking parts (or an addition to an existing system.
Like Macintosh OSX and applications and the Macintosh hardware platform
Like iTunes + iPod (regardless of operating system)
Like AirPort, AirPort Express, AppleTV (wireless networking "system")
I can't *quite* figure out yet where the iPhone fits in this theory.
Sidetracked?
by batavier - 2/2/07 12:23 PM In reply to: Don't forget by boya84With the risk of getting sidetracked fron the original question,
my assertion is not a theory. It was the primary reason Apple has been giving privately (at MUG meetings) for cancelling the MacClones program. "By allowing non-Apple computers to run on the Mac OS, Apple was amputating it's own legs" (or something was said along those lines.)
QuickTime and FileMaker started out as Mac only products. The reasons for QT and FM's cross platform availability are probably not exactly the same, but the bottom lime is that making those products available cross-platform, allows a Mac user to keep his or her computer and still enjoy the advantages of a better product than would otherwise be available. In fact, OT has become the defacto standard internet media format (not sure what impact Yahoo's absurd Windows only video format is going to have here.)
FireWire was developed by a consortium that is headed by Texas Instruments, the primary manufacturer of the FW chips.
I see iPone as an iPod that is also a phone; plus a PDA, running on some form of OS X. I think this is more a case of, well guys, we got some neat software and OS. Now let's see what else we can do with all that. This would follow along your idea of system integration.
The Mac Clone Story... where it all went wrong.
by cyberpoet - 2/2/07 12:56 PM In reply to: Sidetracked? by batavier>> It was the primary reason Apple has been giving privately (at MUG meetings)
>> for cancelling the MacClones program. "By allowing non-Apple computers
>> to run on the Mac OS, Apple was amputating it's own legs" (or something was
>> said along those lines.)
After several years of trying it, they found their per-unit margin on the clones was down to around $15. That wasn't enough to justify the overhead of the engineering staff support and other high-level support to the manufacturing sector, plus at the time the clone sales weren't attracting new PC buyers (as Gasse had hoped at the outset when he initiated the program), it was simply undercutting Apple Brand sales, which represented typically $150 - $300 per unit in margin at the time.
Thus when Jobs first repeared at Apple, he told the vendors that to get OS-8 compatible BIOS licensing, their fees would be increased (to the point that they would no longer be able to undercut the mothership significantly). When the 3rd party vendors (Motorola, Radius, DayStar Digital, Power Computing, APS and UMax) didn't take this offer, the introduction of OS 8 ended Apple's BIOS-licensing effectively (since their existing contracts were for OS 7-compatible BIOS sets, and manufacturers didn't want to be caught selling hardware that wouldn't run the current OS).
Cheers,
=-= The CyberPoet
OS-8 compatible BIOS
by batavier - 2/2/07 1:11 PM In reply to: The Mac Clone Story... where it all went wrong. by cyberpoet[I think we are getting more and more off-track]
Hmm... my old PowerCenter132 has been running just fine on OS 8.6 Perhaps because it was unaware that it wasn't supposed to
Don't agree with your story
by mrmacfixit - 2/2/07 5:42 PM
In reply to: The Mac Clone Story... where it all went wrong. by cyberpoet
The reason that the clone company's stopped making Mac clones had nothing to do with any BIOS. That would be the Apple ROM.
It all had to do with the fact Apple were asking for higher royalties, especially for the faster machines, and the clone makers refused to pay. The clone companies were only licensed to build and sell System 7 machines, so after his return to Apple Steve Jobs who had never liked the clone program, tried to end it. He managed to do that legally by changing the next OS release number from 7.7 to 8.0 and thus effectively ended the clone business. Apple purchased the License and assets back from Power Computing.
I have seen a Power Computing machine running System 9
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