Mac OS X: apple computers and apple OS X
apple computers and apple OS X
by mshazer - 1/31/07 1:53 PMwhy is it that you have to purchase an apple brand computer in order to have a computer that runs it's operating system OS X? doesn't seem strange that there are no other computers that come installed with OS X. i think that it is strange that Microsoft got sued because it did not allow competitors software in there software bundle but at the same time in order to use apple OS x you have to buy an apple. i the OS X system was available to other manufacturing then Microsoft would have real competition and apple will have to reduce there prices, in other words the consumer wins.
And we would have Windows all over again.
by R. Proffitt
- 1/31/07 2:04 PM
In reply to: apple computers and apple OS X by mshazer
How could a consumer win here? Look at the disaster the PC and Windows is. I'll sum it up in one word. "Drivers."
Bob
the whole reason apple is apple
by iburkhart13 - 1/31/07 2:20 PM In reply to: apple computers and apple OS X by mshazerOne of the main reason why apple is apple because of they can control the products they put in their machines. This means they can write software drivers to work perfectly because there is only a few componets in their porducts. and this is why everything just works on a mac!!
I would double check...
by grimgraphix - 1/31/07 6:12 PM In reply to: apple computers and apple OS X by mshazer... the reasons you cite for Microsoft being sued. In most of those cases, MS was sued for trying to force competitors out of the marketplace through unfair business practices. In addition to that little fact, you might also keep in mind that MS is not a computer manufacturer... just a computer software developer. If you really want to say it is unfair that apple won't license their OS to other equipment manufacturers then you could just as easily make a case that it is unfair that Microsoft wont allow other companies to produce equipment that will play X Box games...
Honestly, you can buy the same 2 year old iBook that I am typing on right now for 2 or 3 hundred dollars on ebay right now. Quite a reasonable price for a great piece of computer hardware that runs a great OS... what more could you want?
Oh... I know what you want... after looking at your member profile, I see that you just joined CNet today and this is your first post... I know what you want... you just want to complain.
You don;t happen to be one of the same bloggers Microsoft hired to tweak their wikipedia pages are you? 
first of all i do not just want to complain.
by mshazer - 2/1/07 10:10 AM In reply to: I would double check... by grimgraphixsecond ye i did sign up yesterday but i have been going to cnet website for information for much longer than i can remember. the only reason why i posted this question is to find answers not thinking that my ignorance or the other members arrogance would be an issue, for that i am sorry. so just for a little background history, i want an apple for the software not for the computer. since i am forced to by an apple computer i just wanted to know why. the OSX system can now run on three different platforms all being exclusively apple. there is one thing i do not like about apple and that is that sales clerks at the Mall in NH. they act as if they are an elite group and that if you if you ask to Manny questions about switching from windows to mac they will blow you off by telling you to in a polite manner to just save you money and buy windows, especially when i told that that even though reluctant i did not have a problem with the price.
Who would assure you that it would work?
by R. Proffitt - 2/1/07 10:16 AM
In reply to: first of all i do not just want to complain. by mshazer
Let's say you did have your Apple OS. Who would make it work? You may have missed why the Apple works so well.
Bob
Is the store in the mall in NH you visit
by boya84 - 2/1/07 10:46 AM In reply to: first of all i do not just want to complain. by mshazeran Apple Store or are they Apple employees working the store? If yes, I can understand why their flippant response would get you to not like Apple. If it is not an Apple store, please don't equate non-Apple employees' responses to the company...
That they are not able to answer your questions and have to point you back to another operating system is merely an indication of their poor training and lack of understanding your requirements.
Microsoft made a decision to support their operating system to run on certain manufacturers machines. Microsoft makes software - not hardware. Apple makes software and hardware and made a decision to not support their software to run on other manufacturers machines. (They did for a short time years ago - eMachines and a couple of others, but that did not work out.) Just as trying to install the HP/Compaq "version" of Windows on a Toshiba machine likely won't work, or trying to install the Dell version of Windows on an Acer machine likely won't work, attempting to install OSX on a non-Apple machine won't work.
I hope this helps.
store in rockingham NH
by mshazer - 2/1/07 11:39 AM In reply to: Is the store in the mall in NH you visit by boya84yes it is an apple store. on last question, can you build you own apple computer.
Absolutely. But who would make it work?
by R. Proffitt - 2/1/07 11:56 AM
In reply to: store in rockingham NH by mshazer
You seem to be missing the big point here. Apple delivers a ready to use system that has been tested with all the parts and drivers that are good to go.
Windows suffers from its strong point of many vendors of video cards and drivers from here to there in quality. You could build a Mac but the cost would be more than what a Mac would be.
Bob
Yes, you can.
by boya84 - 2/1/07 2:48 PM In reply to: store in rockingham NH by mshazerBuy an Apple Macintosh, take it apart and put it back together again.
LMAO!
by hustle7 - 2/2/07 4:16 AM In reply to: Yes, you can. by boya84LOL! Nice response!
Genuis
by rashidtem - 2/2/07 9:44 PM In reply to: Yes, you can. by boya84I like that idea. I have a four year old Power Mac G4, bought it with one 80GB hard drive and only 256 RAM and one Super Drive. Now, I've total 4 internal hard drive total 450 GB and 2 external hard drive 300 GB EACH, so its over 1 TB (1000 GB) inside of a four year old machine and upgraded my RAM from 256 to 512 only and one more thing since i burned DVDs all the time. After 3 years my write gave up bought one online for only $80 Dual layer writer. Upgraded my OS 2 times bought original from Apple Store and proud of it, worth each and every penny. My machine works awesome to this day. I can challenge any PC user with a 4 year old PC can do this much. BTW after all that upgrade would it count as I built this machine if this satisfy this guy. 
Apple Rules
The Apple Store employees tell
by boya84 - 2/1/07 2:51 PM In reply to: store in rockingham NH by mshazeryou to go buy Windows? Wow! REALLY?
I'm sorry, but I just find that pretty hard to believe - unless a particular customer is being REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY obnoxious.
Get that on a video phone! It would be hilarious. And I have every expectation they would not be working there very long.
Define the phrase "Build"
by cyberpoet - 2/2/07 5:21 AM In reply to: store in rockingham NH by mshazerAlthough you can't build the motherboard, power supply and case (you have to buy them as a set -- as a whole computer), you can augment the unit once it arrives by adding additional hard drives, optical drives, memory, PCI cards, etc. from other manufacturers to expand the storage/RAM/capabilities. Depending on the unit, you can even upgrade the processor (using processor upgrade cards or PDS slot capabilities in various macs).
In theory, you could order just a motherboard from a repair channel (or eBay) and build the rest of the system from the ground up, although you would be unlikely to find the newest generation of motherboards & processors readily on tap to buy through an apple channel.
And although you can build a computer equally configured as a current MacPro tower for about the same price, finding a competitor's pre-built product with the same configuration will normally be more expensive (I priced some equally configured Dell's just a few weeks ago).
But Apple has a computer for the penny pincher in you (that makes you want to build from scratch) already: the MiniMacs.
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On a separate note, I've noticed that Apple's store staff at a couple stores I've visited have definitely taken a nose-dive compared to how they were when they first opened. Although I could understand it during the Christmas-season rush, even yesterday (31 Jan) they were far less than optimal for any store in any trade that sells high-end goods. The genius bar wasn't stocked with geniuses, and several of the employees were patentedly rude compared to what the corporate policy is...
Sidenote: my 30" LCD display was going back in again for repair, this time with a preset 3rd-tier case issue number tied to the video engineering department at Apple, because the first time it went in, they didn't do any repairs -- sporatic problem with black jittering to red. Staff at the store literally argued that I couldn't submit the unit without an appointment and their genius' diagnostics skills; I was already annoyed that I couldn't ship the unit directly in and instead had to heft it down to a store half a county away.
Cheers,
=-= The CyberPoet
Forgive me if I mistook your intent
by grimgraphix - 2/1/07 1:37 PM In reply to: first of all i do not just want to complain. by mshazerBut it is quite common for this mac forum to get drive by posters complaining about how apple is not as good as it thinks it is. I assumed, when I saw you had never made any posts but this one, that you were part of that group.
I sold retail electronics for six years. All I can say is that you will often find indifferent salespeople at many retail stores. Some are uninformed, most are underpaid and overworked. Could it have been the store's staff did not understand the questions you were asking? When people are frustrated it is often hard to express one's self clearly...was this the case at the apple store? However, any sales person will usually respond in kind when confronted with an antagonistic attitude (just as I did to your initial post). Advice to consider when you are not getting help in a store... a store manager is always on duty and working to address customer needs when the regular staff can or will not. Can I ask, did you ask to talk to the manager? It is his job to go to extremes to satisfy your needs and get your business.
As for them telling you to stick with windows? Simply put, many windows users who ask about apple computers will challange us to tell them that an apple will do everything a windows machine will do. Quite honestly... it won't. Just the same way a computer running Linux won't do the same things a windows computer will do. BUT... the fact is that they will all do SIMILAR functions and do those functions quite well.
As I said before and Boya84 reiterated... Microsoft makes software for a variety of different computer manufacturers. Apple chooses not to because they produce BOTH software and computers. I am sorry that this does not satisfy your sensibilities but as I pointed out with my example of Microsoft's XBox games... it is actually more common for home elctronics to run proprietary software, than it is for that software to run on any device of your choosing.
As for me jumping your case? I suggest you explain your whole reason for posting rather than just complaining that a product doesn't do what you want it to do.
They don't call me "grim" for nothing.
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