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Windows Vista: Does Vista have any SERIOUS problems?
Does Vista have any SERIOUS problems?
by bysusan - 1/31/07 9:37 AMdoes vista have any big problems, like crashes in widely used programs or anything like that? I am thinking about getting it installed when buying a comp. Everyone that says dont do it doesnt really have a good excuse. Just that it runs the same or a little slower then xp, and that some of the features they dont like. And problems with the actual install or grievances with the upgrades.
I am talking about the OS itself, when it is up and running fine. What problems are people having, are there alot of crashes or sound issues anything like that? I just havent found many actually big problems in my research of this product. Just grievances and people with past experiences with old windows OS's. Neither of which matter to me.
thanks guys
I just did that...
by glenn30 - 1/31/07 10:35 AM In reply to: Does Vista have any SERIOUS problems? by bysusanPurchased a system yesterday with Vista preloaded. Still in the box so I have no experience but just seems the logical thing to do if buying a new computer. 
Glenn
I agree
by bysusan - 1/31/07 10:43 AM In reply to: I just did that... by glenn30I agree, and I think I am going to do the same. It is just hard when everyone wants to tell me to use xp for another year first. When most of them have no experience with Vista, just past problems with Microsoft OS's. I am still waiting to hear the big problems Vista has, because so far I hear minor grievances and paranoid consumers. Now dont take that the wrong way I mean, it very well may be the smarter thing to do in waiting a while. I am not sure it is when buying a new computer though, and past experiences with different OS's dont help my decision with this one.
I think I am with you, I am going to get Vista installed. Unless someone can give me a real reason not too.
That's exactly what I would do...
by glenn30 - 1/31/07 10:50 AM In reply to: I agree by bysusanAll these comments are just opinions of others... may or may not be valid criticisms. You are your own best judge... and I agree with the thinking. Any way you take it Vista is here so my view is to start adapting now rather than later. 
All the best!
Glenn
Good Idea
by jameskrolak - 2/2/07 4:59 AM In reply to: I agree by bysusanGo ahead and get it with Vista and come back here and tell US why YOU do or don't like it.
Used Vista once
by PumaSpirit - 2/2/07 6:48 AM In reply to: Good Idea by jameskrolakYesterday I had a chance to work with Vista on a cient computer. Though, I did not have the opportunity to go deeply into using it, several things already made me not like it at all.
1) When you click on anything for your computer to do, such as opening a program, Vista darkens the screen and pops up a dialog box asking you if you really want to do that! You can not proceed unless you confirm.
Are we all idiots needing to have to second guess every move we make????
When someone finds a way to turn that pesky box off, please let us know.
2) In the control panel they re-labeled some Icons. Try finding Add/Remove Programs for example. It is now re-named and way down the list.
3) "Run" is missing from the start menu. Did they do that so you can't easily remove Icons from programs, they get a cickback from when you buy them, from the Startup menu?
These are only the first flaws I noticed right away. Needless to say, I already hate Vista. Am sure this is only the beginning and other users will add to my list. Since it was a client pc I had no chance to dig deeper.
RE: Used Once....
by bettencourtt - 2/2/07 7:45 AM In reply to: Used Vista once by PumaSpiritNo, most people are not idiots. But Joe (and Jane) AverageUser need to be prompted when somthing is about to happen. It alerts them that something is going on that is about to change thier system. I applaud it. If you are not the type to NEED this, then on your own computer, find out how to turn it off. Yes, it CAN be turned off. Do not be so arrogant as to turn it off on your client's computer, though. This is a risk you can decide for yourself. Do some research.
The icon is now named "Programs" and has a sub-item called "Uninstall A Program". Sorry you had so much trouble finding it. But it really isn't such a drastic change as to be problematic.
Look, I started working with computers in the 80's, and am not Tech Support Manager of a software company. I say that to tell you this: I have never been able to remove an icon from a program from simply the "Run" box. Not sure what all you've avoided "buying" from the Start Menu directly, but, really, if this indicates your level of expertise with a Windows computer, then perhaps your client is fortunate that you did not have time to dig any deeper. I hesitate to think what you could have hosed given time to dig around.
Note that none of these things are "flaws", and I hope that someone's opinion of Vista is not discolored by your claim that these are "flaws". They are "changes". Learn the word.
The first one, by the way, will prevent a lot of unauthorized changes to your computer. It is one additional click that adds a large level of security.
Now, before the "fanboy" attacks start, save it. I don't drool over MS products, and I am even advising some customers to avoid buying Vista as yet. In fact, a well-equipped XP Pro pc set up with non-admin logins and a decent anti-virus and firewall can do just as well. To be honest, I'd have them go download Kubuntu for free if the programs we write would work on it. But they don't, and from what I've seen, most Linux interfaces can be just as confusing to Joe and Jane EndUser as Vista.
Correction
by bettencourtt - 2/2/07 7:48 AM In reply to: RE: Used Once.... by bettencourttSorry, I meant to say ...am NOW the Tech Support Mgr....
Talk about arrogant...
by PumaSpirit - 2/2/07 8:13 AM In reply to: RE: Used Once.... by bettencourttbettencourtt, first I never mentioned I had trouble finding anything. I only listed the things I hate right off the bat. Pardon me for having an educated opinion.
Secondly, even a novice knows when (s)he clicked on something to make a specific task happen, without being asked if they are sure. I deal with novices a lot and most get scared when this happens because they think they just did something wrong. This wastes a lot of my valuable time and theirs, because those clients are scared enough to call me immediately for help wanting to know what they did wrong. I should have a tape saying: "Don't worry about it, that is just MS thinking we are idiots who can't make the right decision and be sure about it"
In the run command, one can enter msconfig and disable programs that start up with windows. These are the icons one sees on the bottom right side of the taskbar, next to the clock and date. If you were a pro, you'd know that.
Some of them are for pre-installed programs such as McAffee, Napster and others, which have a trial period after which pc users are asked to pay for a subscription. You actually believe MS does NOT get a kickback from that???? LOL
I wasn't arrogant.
by bettencourtt - 2/2/07 8:40 AM In reply to: Talk about arrogant... by PumaSpiritFirst, you specifically said: "Try finding Add/Remove Programs for example." That apparently meant you had trouble finding it, or you thought someone would. Sorry I misinterpreted that.
No, novices don't always know what it is they are doing.
Yes, I am a pro, but I rearely use MSCONFIG. I uninstall the programs instead of trying to disable them, or direclty remove them from Startup. REAL pros know that many of these programs will simply re-enable themselves. If you want to keep a program, many also have a setting that ASKS whether the program should start with Windows. That's a free tip for you. Do your customers a favor and learn a little about stuff like this.
And, by the way, Mr. Pro, that area is called the System Tray. Real Pros know that, too. Real Pros who have spent time with Vista before thier customers got it (ahem) also know that the RUN command or MSCONFIG is no longer needed for this. And, you also stated, for the record: "you can't easily remove Icons from programs". You goofball, you weren't removing an icon from a program, you were taking a very newbie approach to stopping a program from starting up. BIG difference.
The only people making money off pre-installs such as McAfee, Napster, Symantec, and Real Player are the computer manufacturers (HP, Dell, Gateway, etc) that are PAID to put the icons there with their OEM installs. And they are paid just for putting the icon there, whether you click it or not. Microsoft makes nothing from it. Real Pros remember when Microsoft sued to keep control of this, and LOST.
And BTW, I'd much rather this client called me when this dialog is asking him if he really wants this program to put itself in startup, change his home page, search settings, attach itself to the system calls, and start sending spam in the background to his entire address book, than to try to help him clean it up later. But, hey, I can't speak for you and your clients.
I wasn't arrogant...
by agm4 - 2/16/07 10:13 AM In reply to: I wasn't arrogant. by bettencourttSir, both of you need a little education:
The area you call "The system tray" is now called the "Notification Area" by Microsoft, and has been called the "Notification Area" since the release of Windows XP.
If "Pros" call it "the System Tray", they are a little behind-the-times.
Maybe you "Pros" need to actually READ something Microsoft publishes openly on the Web.
Personally, I would define "arrogant" (in the case of you "Pros") as "continuing to use language about a Microsoft product which Microsoft no longer uses itself".
Donald L McDaniel
i like what you say
by smurfgod_420 - 2/22/07 9:35 AM In reply to: I wasn't arrogant. by bettencourtthey im new to this whole vista thing i just got a new dell 2 days ago and so far its cool the are you sure pop up dosent bother me me that much it takes what a sec to click it but i would really like it if you would be my comp guy so let me know plz
RE: i like what you say
by H41N - 3/5/07 10:38 PM In reply to: i like what you say by smurfgod_420Lay off the 4/20 a bit more and impress us "comp guys" first with being able to construct a grammatically correct sentence. I'm pretty sure I noticed the word Dell in there but there may be hope even so.
right on...
by SimplyEdie - 2/2/07 10:34 AM In reply to: Talk about arrogant... by PumaSpiritI also have 25+ years of experience; back to the early years of the PC.
These redundant dialog boxes amount to wasted PRODUCTIVE time and belittlement to the end-user. It hardly matters how many boxes are put into place; the result amounts to the same. An ill-equipped person creates situations they're ill-equipped to handle. Next we'll see a se
I train and assist people (ages 50-90) with no experience in tech; they couldn't find the power button without LEARNING. The LAST thing you want to do is to scare them away from items they NEED to get done. Most already have unrealized fears that they are going to screw up. I'd rather deal with an OCCASIONAL screwed up computer than to have umpteen phone calls a day asking me if it's okay to perform their command because a computer asked them about it.
The software on the computer doesn't need to foul the experience- and that's what redundant dialog boxes do.
I will also miss the Run function. I'm sorry, but any self-proclaimed tech person has used it to detect, identify and solve problems on a system level. It hearkens back to days before the mouse, when we actually commanded the computer to do what we wanted.
Now we click a button for the computer to second guess us. Hooray! NOT!!
I'll need to buy a new system within the next year and Vista will be on it... but I'm not upgrading any of my other machines anytime soon. Why? A 25-year track record.
Taking the word right out of my mouth : )
by PumaSpirit - 2/2/07 11:21 AM In reply to: right on... by SimplyEdieThanks for your reply, SimpleEdie, I could not have said it better myself. Most of my private clients (my business clients are often younger, but not always) are in the same age group and sometimes feel quite helpless, to say the least. Why compound that problem by confusing them even more with tech terms, popup dialog boxes and more? It is my job to make their computer experience an easy one, but most of all, to take their fear away. Vista is not helping in that respect.
I have also learned to explain things to them in very simple terms, so "SYS TRAY" is a nono, though I mention it they will forget the word in a heartbeat anyway. But novices will remember "The right bottom corner of your screen".
And to Mr. PRO, I have this to say:
As for being "arrogant" it was in reference to MS, but if the shoe fits... lol
We are here to offer constructive criticism, help others who may not be as proficient and explain why we dislike some things. What I and you know and to bicker about it makes neither one of us look like a pro. May I, therefore, respectfully decline to answer your replys from now on? I'd really dislike being bundled with "pros" of such caliber.
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