Community weekly poll: Will you be installing Windows Vista?
- 1/30/07 4:24 PM
Office 2007 is a bloated pig
by stevent1992 - 1/5/08 3:00 AM In reply to: No Vista for us, nor Office 2007 by bhaftAfter using the Office 2007 beta, I have come to hate its guts, not only is it a bloated pig taking up ram, I recently discovered some files on my PC which are in a "docx" format, and because I use open office, I cannot covert this stupid dumb format into a standard "doc" formatted file so Open Office can read it, as a result these files remain unreadable, I could curse Micro$oft for that! Why does MS feel the need to screw people around? changing things around for? or is it because "they can and they will"?
As for Vista, I also ignore the fan fare, I have tried it, seen it, doesn't do anything differently or more efficiently for my needs, sorry to sound negative but unless MS can come up with an OS that truly makes computing easier I will stick with my XP. I am so sick of this Vista everywhere, I can't afford it and I can't afford a new PC!
Final time I mention this here.
Only after SP1 comes out.
by TrackStar1682 - 1/30/07 9:06 PM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
As of now, I really don't have too much of a real reason to get Vista, but I know I will eventually. DirectX 10 and a DX 10 compliant video card will eventually be in my system. I enjoy gaming and multimedia, among other things, and the new Media Center really is that good.
Had I actually taken advantage of the free Media Center 2005 upgrade at the time I first bought my computer, it would be much less of a factor for me, but seeing that there's things I'd like to do that can only be done on Vista, it seems like a no brainer.
Still, seeing that there's a service pack just a few months away already, I'm going to wait for that to come out before I go forward. I'm not desperate for a fix the way I was with XP.
Infinite Dialog Recursion?
by l5n25 - 1/30/07 9:14 PM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
We'll install it at work in our testing lab to support our product's launch on Vista but I will not be installing it at home. I've personally have had it with poorly designed operating systems from Microsoft which are overly complex, not secure, and overpriced. What I haven't seen discussed is how Vista will make it practically impossible to use your computer with independent software. To accomplish anything on the system the OS throws repeated dialogs that have to be responded to in order to assure the security of the system. It's roughly akin to having your car bark at you when you release the parking brake, when you put it in reverse, put custom wheels on it, or fuel it. It's ridiculus to think of this as advancement.
I'm with you!
by larry123 - 1/30/07 10:17 PM In reply to: Infinite Dialog Recursion? by l5n25I wouldn't buy a system with Vista on it for at least 18 months. That should give the hackers, crackers, and security exploiters to find most of the back doors and errors left in the system.
Why switch to Vista?
by kpoth - 1/31/07 8:18 AM In reply to: I'm with you! by larry123I run two computers side by side with dual monitors. Both run XP home edition without problems. I will not pay $200 for a "New Look". If one of my computers dies and I replace it, the new one will have Vista pre-installed and that's the only way I will get it. Vista might be worth it IF it contained Ad-Aware, Spybot Search & Destroy, and AVG Virus controls and SPAM smashers already built-in. I distrust what MS calls "added security".
I am using it right now
by theITguy - 1/30/07 11:07 PM In reply to: Infinite Dialog Recursion? by l5n25And have been using it for the last 6 weeks. At first the security warning dialogs are common, but that is because the operating system is new and you have to install a lot of programs. After a week or two you hardly even notice them. Honestly, I use a program on Windows XP called Winpatrol which does exactly the same thing... and it got 5 stars on CNET, so I don't think the "annoying permissions" thing is an issue. I prefer to know when an executable file is running anyway. It's not like "fueling your car." It's more like having a message sent to your phone every time your car is started asking for permission. Sure, there are the hundred times you start you car (run a program) and you feel the message is useless; but just wait for the one time when you're not in the drivers seat (controlling the pc) and someone is driving away in your car (running a harmful program without your knowledge).
I have found the Business Ed. to be EXTREMELY stable. The file structures are far easier to navigate, and it's faster to work with multiple programs open. I can do more work in the same amount of time now that I'm adjusted to where things are and how to get around, and that alone has a value.
I hear a lot of griping about the search bar not being on the desktop, but I really don't see the need to have it visible. With just a touch of the "Start Bar" button on my keyboard you open the menu and can start typing without touching anything else. BFD it's not there for you to click, just press the button and type.
Also, it is not the resource hog people have built it up to be. I have a Dell Latitude D620 with an 1.83 Core 2 Duo, 1 GB RAM, and integrated Intel 945G graphics and I have full use of all Vista has to offer. Running the OS takes around 500 MB on this system but on another system I have with only 512 RAM it runs around 220 MB. The OS is smart and will throtle the RAM use based on hardware performance.
All in all I enjoy using this system more. It's less taudry and boring than XP, and the visuals are about what I expected (not stunning - pretty good though). As an upgrade it's not necessary for the casual home user, or even a business user. It's not necessary period; just like how rims on your car, or a nice wax job, or tinted windows aren't necessary... but they sure look nice. If it comes on a new system feel assured you're getting something stable and not a downgrade.
Wizards & Dialogs, No. Simple Groups, Users, and ACLs, Yes
by l5n25 - 2/1/07 9:57 PM In reply to: I am using it right now by theITguyA security model which has to be trained is a poor one; although it is increasingly used out of sense that you have to do something to defend your system.
Winpatrol (which I haven't used) and other programs like ZoneAlarm (which I do use), All Seeing Eye, etc are great if they are used religiously and you're not trying to actually use your machine on a day to day basis. They are very educational; when you use them for a week you'll understand exactly how at risk your systems are.
My gripe is that Windows is fundamentally flawed in the way they handle security. If they would just simplify the creation and maintaining of properly limited, non-admin users and made it easy for ISV and users alike to use them without having to rely on a cadre of IT people... most security issues would fade away... you lock away the keys in the safe and only bring them out occasionally. The fact that I have to reboot Windows when installing an "application" is very telling -- it means that the OS and the application are much too intertwined and that the OS is therefore vunerable to something an application can do.
Device drivers will always be potentially problematic since those have to be "intertwined" but going in as admin in those limited cases where I'm actually installing hardware is a much less frequent occurance than installing an application or running a program.
But trying to get this done with a bunch of dialogs is just backwards. Configure the system and then use it... don't try to guess how to configure the system as someone uses it. MS likes to play guessing games with the users and for the most part just winds up annoying the savvy and the "Joe" user alike.
Nice
by Ed-duh-win - 2/2/07 4:11 PM In reply to: I am using it right now by theITguyGood post, man. You nailed the point.
I've been using it for a couple of months
by OBH - 11/22/07 4:16 AM In reply to: I am using it right now by theITguyI agree with theITguy, it's not as bad as I was expecting. It's not as big an adjustment as switching from Win98 to XP. I would have waited longer to try it but my XP machine bit the dust and I didn't have time to wait on a special order new XP machine. I really haven't had any problems with it and the permission pop-ups are not a problem for me, I got use to them after the first few days. I'm running Vista Home Premium on a HP-Pavilion RX886AA-ABA a6013w with 3.00 gigahertz Intel Pentium D 16 kilobyte primary memory cache 2048 kilobyte secondary memory cache. It's fast enough for my purposes and I haven't had any compatibility problems. I use Opera as my default browser but I also use Firefox and I use Thunderbird for my email and Open Office and have had no problems with stability. I would have been happy running XP for a while longer but it will eventually get phased out so I'm glad my XP machine (soon to become a Linux box) forced my hand.
Agree again
by Romulin - 11/22/07 4:21 AM In reply to: I've been using it for a couple of months by OBHI agree again. I dont understand why so many people have problems?
It's a much more stable o.s.
Will you be installing Windows Vista on your system this yea
by DickM - 11/22/07 10:00 AM In reply to: I am using it right now by theITguyI'm already using Windows Vista 32bit version and I love it on my note book DELL 1505/6400. It came with Windows XP and a free upgrade to Home Premium. I purchased two of these units one for me and my wife I did the upgrades my self not one problem with doing it the only thing I did at first was to get read of all the crapware that came on it I used PC Decrapifier which is a free program for downloading (http://pcdecrapifier.com/. I don't see all the fuss over this OS I feel it will get better and better as time goes by remember Windows XP all the stores about how bad it was then came SP1 then SP2 and so on. If you have two PC's use the best of both worlds which is what I do I some special programs I use on the XP machine that don't run on the Vista machine but so what in time they may or something like will be available like it. Enough said I LOVE VISTA.........
Agree again
by Romulin - 11/23/07 3:55 AM In reply to: I am using it right now by theITguyIts very stable. No crashes in nearly a year. Why do people complain so much?
new rims & vista
by sheba94601 - 11/24/07 4:28 PM In reply to: I am using it right now by theITguyI had to laugh when I read your post b/c my son wanted the rims & I wanted a new pc jus for the new futuristic look from vista. I came to my senses during all the hype & realized if it aint broke don't fix it. My son is rolling on his 24's but then again he's still at that gulliable age that worships the latest trend. I told him when that hype passes they'll throw something else out there, then what? Wasted money. As for Vista, I've learned my lesson. Nothing in modern technology these days is what they say when it first hits the market. I found it's best to wait it out. I think that's the point most were trying to make in this forum, not so much hating on Vista. Lot of programs weren't even compatible w/ Vista when Gates tossed it out there but then again we all know it's all about the benjamins. Thats the bottomline. Make it look & sound good and we'll buy it!
Vista doesn't really get in the way...
by WinReminders - 1/31/07 2:13 AM In reply to: Infinite Dialog Recursion? by l5n25Not really akin to those things. If the independent program is doing normal things Vista should not get in the way. It's only when ISVs (Independent Software Vendors) are being stoopid (or in some cases doing something that only M$ thinks is stoopid) will they get in the way. My knee jerk reaction was the same as yours, but if ISVs play by the rules it should be OK. Having said that I'm speaking from a desktop application view point. Vendors of A/V and firewall software may have a different and very valid gripe...
Vista
by JeffDeWitt - 1/30/07 9:24 PM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
I was running the evaluation version of Vista Ultimate on a very nice IBM IntelliStation (dual 3.6 GHz Xeon processors and two gigs of RAM).
It ran well, looked great, and making the adjustment wasn't hard at all. Didn't have any real problems with it either.
But it wasn't impressive enough for me to buy it for my own system, and most of our systems at work are still running Windows 2000.
I expect when I get Vista it will be because I've bought a new system with it, but since I just DID build a new one, and it's running great with XP, that won't be anytime soon.
Jeff DeWitt
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