Buzz Out Loud Lounge: MATCH-OFF: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
HD v BD
by jbart610 - 12/5/06 4:33 AM In reply to: Blu-ray by a nose by over_the_hillI believe that neither format will win in the end, and either a hybrid format will emerge (which would be a horrible thing in the consumer world), or a hybrid drive will emerge that can play both formats.
Personally, I have the HD-DVD add-on for the XBox360, which I bought basically because it was the cheapest way for me to get HD movies onto my HD set. I think it's ashame that the studios could not agree on a single format and left it up to the consumers to pick a winner. Luckily target sells most HD and BD movies for $19.99.
HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray
by cyto_daoc - 1/24/07 11:39 AM In reply to: MATCH-OFF: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray by defensorfortisI can see the clear winner in this war and the deciding factor is the same as who settled the VHS-Betamax war.
!.!.!.PORN.!.!.!
Sony has sworn off the porn industry from using blu-ray so like the VHS-Beta war porn will make HD-DVD the winner in this war as well.
The porn industry, whether we like it or not, is the fore runner of technology.
not that cut and dry
by Ravensblood - 1/25/07 6:41 AM In reply to: HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray by cyto_daocThe Porn studios are reportedly still going to release BluRay through Third-party manufacturers.
NOTHING SONY – “Boo Hoo – Ray or Blooper-Ray” Included!
by musicabaja - 1/26/07 4:23 AM In reply to: MATCH-OFF: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray by defensorfortisQ - I was curious on which side you were on? HD-DVD or Blu-Ray?
A - NOTHING MORE SONY – “Boo Hoo – Ray” Included! I will do without a HD-DVD recorder until I find sufficient HD video to warrant having one and the dust settles.
Why?
Sony get too cute and adds too many propitiatory tweaks into its consumer audio/video produces, Sony likes to control consumers and like to hid limitations it decides to use. Combine this with a miserable record for customer/product support for current products and discontinuing a product after a short time so they can terminate any support. This increases the end user cost and limits the useful time of many of their products so I believe Bloop-Ray will follow the pattern. don’t give me a warm fuzzy feeling.
I bought a Sony TV (Trinitron) because it was the best video for a commercial product but two years later I could not get parts, even from Sony, to repair it. All the parts were Sony proprietary and were not being made or available anywhere. Trash one expensive Sony TV!
The Betamax /VHS debate was another go around. The lesser format quality emerged the winner because of customer friendliness – cost! Sony Beta was a better picture but the bang per buck wasn’t there when comparing the two. Initial cost of the unit and tapes were hard to find as well as higher in price for equal presentation. The market was not very accepting of the Sony Beta format when it came to the pocketbook. The ostentatious marketing of Sony failed to understand GIGO – garbage in garbage out – so the superior format was lost on the consumer that had little access to video for recording. Most wanted to record broadcast TV shows to watch at a later time, since Video rental stores did not exist yet and cable TV was in its infancy. VCRs were battling for electronic toy’s market shares as personal computers were just coming into retail stores for the first time and the starting price as about the same for either toy, about $800 -$2k US dollars in 1978.
In 1998 I bought the latest & greatest Sony CD recorder bundle for my Win 95 computer ($600+) and I never got one good CD burn from it before using it as a burnt offering to the computer landfill gods. The blivit (crap in a bag) software and NO support didn’t in dear me to Sony much.
The original Walkman was a big seller but has evolved into a great piece of hardware but the MP3 CD walkman was unusable with the Sony software that came with it and they NEVER could get it to work on my PC. Fortunately I was able to use third party MP3 software to make CD for it. The new Walkman, available now, is rendered almost useless by that same archaic malfunctioning software called “SonicStage” that makes the new walkman’s very UN-user-friendly for anyone and unusable for music without a computer running their proprietary software. Again Sony’s attempt to control the user and limit the usefulness of the product by the consumer.
We have Sony music to thank for the un-removable root-kits it secretly included on music audio CDs that compromised the security of PC’s and their DVD players with security chips that will only let certain DVDs play. My $200 Sony DVD player works on fewer video disks (disk not found) than my off brand $35 DVD player and the cheepie plays MP3 DVD’s. The Sony will only play a CD in MP3 format.
BTW Sony developed and marketed an analog version of HDTV for use in Japan but scrapped it totally after the US digital version was designed and accepted by the FCC in the USA. If Sony had their way High Definition TV would be analog not digital - sports fans.
Let the record show that for me I am boycotting ANYTHING that has the Sony name associated with it. Anti open architecture is an understatement for SONY!
Designed obsolescence is one thing but consumer products designed for user sabotage is inept company policy. I do not intend to encourage or support ANY of Sony’s future ventures to take advantage of the consumer electronic market. Maybe the Chinese will enter the competition when a use is found and the Markey is ready
Those of you that want to encourage Sony in continue experimentation with customer control product are welcome to your own absurd opinion but don’t try and drag me along without a fight!
P.S. The switch from the current analog to digital TV was announced, for the USA, by the FCC about the time Windows 95 was released and the first Pentium PCs hit the market. Public access to the internet was a new idea then also so anyone that has bough a new TV in the last 10 years should have clue that HDTV existed and the change was coming (to the US, anyway).
Do a net search and stop guessing!
Check “FCC Consumer Facts” for some digital TV truths.
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html
Incredible
by defensorfortis - 1/26/07 8:47 AM In reply to: NOTHING SONY – “Boo Hoo – Ray or Blooper-Ray” Included! by musicabajaI've had previous Sony products from a CD/MP3 (walkman), to a Sony VAIO desktop computer, and to a Sony Car Stereo.
I agree with everything you sad. Fast to build, and faster to discontinue. Poor support.
My greatest grief was when I bought a $2,000 computer from Sony, it didn't turn on. The OS crashed upon arrival. And the DVD burner wouldn't burn, b/c of the standard upgrade to a faster DVD-R disc
wow
by rtemp - 1/26/07 10:05 AM In reply to: NOTHING SONY – “Boo Hoo – Ray or Blooper-Ray” Included! by musicabajaThat's a rant and a half.
-Ryan
can you say ps3 ?
by ktmorin - 1/26/07 5:43 AM In reply to: MATCH-OFF: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray by defensorfortisSome folks in this thread are confusing HD_DVD with HD TV---
I will stick with blue-ray DVD, and cross my fingers that it wins the battle--I have a PS3 and the movies are GORGEOUS....I dont' want to have to buy another player...Yes, I know Sony also launched beta-max way back when!!
Much misinformation in this discussion.
by gto2050 - 1/26/07 6:39 AM In reply to: can you say ps3 ? by ktmorinI work for a manufacturer of Blu-Ray. I have no idea who will win. The porn industry can swing a format as happened with VHS vs Beta. There are more hardware and software backers behind Blu-Ray but it has a problem. Cost. Blu-Ray costs more at retail by almost $400. Price will be a deciding factor for many. More PC folks back HD-DVD. This is a personality war between two giants, Toshiba and Sony. Both sides are currently losing money on the HD DVD format be it Blu-Ray or HDDVD. Toshiba is betting the farm on HDDVD.
THe transmission of HD content is NOT mandatory in Feb 2009. The transmission of DIGITAL signals IS mandatory in Feb 2009. Digital does not equal HD. It is better than SD today but still not HD or even in the 16:9 format.
More capacity?
by TheSampsonite - 1/26/07 8:14 AM In reply to: Much misinformation in this discussion. by gto2050Hey all!
I recently read in a Playstation3 Magazine (biased?) that the Blu-ray discs can hold 50GB, but the HD-DVD can only hold up to 30GB.
On the fact that I'm a sony gamer, and because of the increased capacity of the Blu-Ray, I'll going to say "Blu-Ray All The Way!"
Capcity is a nonissue
by Penguin Warlord - 1/26/07 1:13 PM In reply to: More capacity? by TheSampsoniteCapacity is a nonissue now for several reasons:
1. HDDVD Just Unveiled their new 51gb disc.
2. An Uncompressed 1080P movie takes over a terabyte of space. With the amount of compression going on 20 or 30gb won't make a big difference.
Yes, but
by navsimpson - 1/27/07 4:47 PM In reply to: Capcity is a nonissue by Penguin WarlordThe 51gb HD-DVD disc is a triple layer disc that is likely incompatible with current players. Similarly, there are some triple layer Blu-Ray discs in development that could hold up to 200GB.
More importantly though, capacity allows for more extra features, or for long films on one disc. Even if a series of Futurama episodes was put out in SD, you could fit an entire season on a disc, so I think capacity still plays a factor.
Capacity is likely a moot point
by Sith840 - 1/27/07 5:04 PM In reply to: Yes, but by navsimpsonI think capacity is a moot point compared to cost and reliability. BluRay was an attempt to push the hardware laser technology, especially as the software at the time was weak (MPEG2 vs. MPEG4/DIVX). The main limiting factor in compression now has been processing power, but that has gotten cheaper faster than laser and error correction (due to mechanical issues and heat). I think HD-DVD will benefit from more compression. The higher use of 1/4 pixel moves will only increase MPEG4's ability with even better image quality (may be same compression, but less loss).
The next generation of either one of them is a bit of an unknown. It could be more layers or it could be a bluer frequency laser to get more packed in. The next generation should easily be able to read older discs, so I think we need to look at this as a continuum and not an end-point.
I side with HD-DVD
by Zeuser - 1/26/07 10:36 AM In reply to: MATCH-OFF: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray by defensorfortisI'll side with HD-DVD over blu-Ray simply because I want ot punish sony. I want to punish them for installing rootkits on people's PCs. I want to punish them for making audio CDs I can't read with my PC. i want to punish them for ripping off their own artists.
And I want to punish them for pushing DRM so damn much and putting lots of pressure on the MPAA and RIAA to go after little grannies with no computers or internet access.
Sony is so scared that pirates are going to steal their business that they're messing with their legitimate customers. Well here's something to worry about Sony: Not making sales!
Sony, If I don't buy any of your stuff, and other people do the same, then you won't have any income left and perhaps then will you wise up and actually treat your customers with the respect they deserve.
And even if the HD-DVD camp is also concerned about DRM just as much as Sony is, the important thing here is to send a message to one of them and say very loud and clear: "We're not going to put up with your BS anymore!". Then the "other" HD disc camp might hear the alarm go off and wake up as well. I just feel Sony is the best one to bring down first considering their recent track record.
That being said, I'm in no rush to get a HD disc system. I'll wait for the prices to come down and when If I see the war is leaning towards HD-DVD, I'll jump on board. But I will *NOT* get a Blu-Ray... *EVER* !!!
Which will win?
by micker377 - 1/26/07 11:07 AM In reply to: MATCH-OFF: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray by defensorfortisJust watched a CNET video this morning on that subject. It seems that the "Porno" industry may have a large say in the mix. The article claimed they were the reason for Beta/VHS decision: cheaper to make. The current scene is that Sony (Blu-Ray) policy forbids commercial reproduction of Porno. So they will definately go HD-DVD. If there are any more "restrictions" from Sony - well, you can see the how the battle will go!
Blu-ray
by tcardone05 - 1/26/07 7:07 PM In reply to: Which will win? by micker377but honestly who cares? not that many people have a HDTV, and DVDs compared to Hi-defs don't look as bad as VHS tapes compared to DVDs
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