Desktops: MACS VS THE PC
Why Choose? Get a Mac
by URTido - 1/12/07 8:22 AM In reply to: MACS VS THE PC by Krissa3Here's a point to ponder. On an Intel Mac you can run Apple's Mac OSX AND Windows! On a PC you can only run Windows (and if you're a power user you can install Linux and other x86 based OSes). If you're trying to decide between the two, why not just run both on a Mac?
For 5 years I've been a dual user; I had a desktop PC running Windows and a Laptop running the latest versions of OSX. Recently my desktop died and I consolidated to a single Mac Laptop (2 GHz Core Duo with 2 GB of ram and a 120GB hard driver... I'd say that's pretty powerful, wouldn't you?), and I don't regret my choice. Sure there aren't as many pieces of software floating around for a Mac as there are for a PC, but the important (and legal) stuff is all there.
I don't really miss having a dedicated Windows machine because I run Windows XP on Parallels when I need to, but the more comfortable you get with a Mac the less you'll use the PC part. When the final release of parallels is made that will allow me to run a bootcamp installation of Windows (Bootcamp makes a driver disk so that you can install Windows natively on your Mac, ie Windows is the OS the computer runs on, not within OSX), I will reinstall Windows XP using Bootcamp and then be able to run Windows natively or within OSX.
As for the Mac premium price that some people rant about, since Apple has switched to Intel their machines are pretty closely in line with equivalent PC's. Sure, there isn't an Apple laptop for $599, but if you configured a computer from Dell or HP or whoever that was equivalent to the Mac, the prices would be pretty close. Plus if you have an Apple Store nearby you can take your computer directly to them and talk to a real person instead of talking to someone on the phone who will maybe send a technician to you in a few days after you spend an hour talking with them on the phone.
Another misconception many non-Mac users have about current Macs is that they can only use a single button mouse. While it is true that the track pad on the laptops is a single button, you can connect multi-button mice to a computer running Mac OSX and it will just work.
Macs have been the choice of professionals for many years because they used to kill PCs at media creation (audio, graphics, and video), but since then PCs have caught up and the two are pretty close. The big difference now is that Macs come with basic media creation tools that are pretty good and very user friendly for home users (iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iTunes); and Apple offers classes at Apple stores that you can register and go to to learn how to use the programs if you're really that unsure of yourself (very good for new computer users). While some may scoff at this and say that PCs have the same thing.
In the end, the decision is yours. Windows has its perks, but so do Macs. Mac users that do nothing but bash PCs and Microsoft give all Mac users a bad rap. I think that Macs are really good for users that just want to use their programs and not tweak their computer. PCs are good for people that want a cheap computer and like having control over settings that the average user wouldn't mess with.
PC always for me
by cdtphilpot - 1/12/07 9:31 AM In reply to: Why Choose? Get a Mac by URTidoI used a mac in high school and we had PCs at home. I now have a $600 Toshiba Satellite that lets me do everything I need for school. Do research, write papers, listen to music. I've owned Toshiba Satellite's for the past 4 years and I've yet to have 1 problem or 1 virus. All I do as far as maintenance is run virus scan, disk cleanup, and Lavasoft Adaware. I've yet to have a problem yet. My computer is always on and connected via WI-FI and still no problems. I have a PS3 for gaming and can always update my memory if I need to do more multitasking. So why bash PCs? Leave it up to whats best for the user instead of all this machine bashing. Personally macs are nice but I can't justify the cost when I can do everything on my budget laptop for a lot less with no problems.
Don't Take It Personally
by robertmro - 1/12/07 10:26 AM In reply to: PC always for me by cdtphilpotThis is actually a pretty tame Mac vs PC flame wars.
Windows will dominate the market for a while, but the future is going to bring things like web based applications (actually already here) and game stations are becoming full blown computers on their own not to mention Blackberries etc.
Some day in the not too distant future there wouldn't be any difference, the OS will be irrelevant. Both Apple and MS know this.
For now people will pick sides based on all sort criteria, even politics counts. Statics shows that if you are liberal you're more likely to own a Mac. Also Mac users, and I'm one, are almost a cult. We're the underdog and people always like to cheer for the underdog.
For now enjoy your PC and don't take this kind of discusssion too seriously.
Design, It depends
by GaaraZanta - 1/14/07 8:44 PM In reply to: Don't Take It Personally by robertmroEveryone says that Macs look nicer and have a better GUI. I have never found this true, and to put it out there, I used Macs before I used PCs, though it was for a short period of time a long while ago. I have used OSX a lot even though I don't own a modern Mac many of my friends do.
It is probably a bias because I have been using Windows for over a decade, but I generally find it easier to modify and change stuff in WindowsXP than in OSX. Also if you spend a couple minutes you can easily--from my perspective--make Windows look nicer than OSX, such as using programs like Windowblinds or even modifying the Windows theme file so you can use nicer looking unsigned themes than the ones included with WindowsXP.
Anyways I like that this thread has had more intelligent discussion than plain flaming, if I could I would have both WindowsXP and OSX; but for now, I'm sticking with WindowsXP. On a note, the people saying buy a Mac since you can run Windows on it. . .you can have Windows but you can't modify the hardware as much as on a PC, and to many people that is one of the greatest parts about owning a PC
Macs vs PCs - The obvious choice for You
by cnetmessageman - 1/12/07 10:38 AM In reply to: MACS VS THE PC by Krissa3I am fascinated that this topic always generates so much response. However, it is pleasing to note that almost all the responses were level-headed, primarily fact based, and strove to give you a balanced view.
The overwhelming majority have stated (and I also concur) that when it come to multi-media the Mac is king. As far as I understand, this is your PRIMARY need. Additionally, the release of the Leopard version is scheduled within the next few months so it seems prudent to wait especially since this release will also include the Parallels utility which will allow you to run Windows XP natively. And here is also the added bonus of cheaper, improved hardware.
I've been involved with PC since 1985 and have rarely used a Mac myself because I do like to tinker and the Mac hardware has always been pricey. That said, in the last 1.5 years I have observed my daughter using her iBook and have rarely been requested by her to help. That in itself speaks volumes for the useabilty of the Mac's GUI. She does all kinds of graphics manipulation as well as run concurrent applications on 512MB of RAM! She seamlessly links to my PC based Home Network and access the printer and internet (both wireless and ethernet based). And she easily connects to wireless networks even on drive-bys. Despite the usual teen adventurousness she hasn't had any virus issues (although she is more selective that many of her peers after due counseling). She also doesn't suffer from the dreaded Processing drag that affect most PC users. In the 1.5 years she has only sought tech support help twice (for relatively minor issues). Finally, since getting her ibook she has only used the PC about three times even though it is quite fast (AMD Athlon 64 3500 with 1 gig 6400 DDR2 on Gigabyte GA-M55PLUS-S3G Motherboard running Windows 2000 Pro).
Regardless of the root cause of such issues as virus and spy-ware attacks (more secure vs more attacks), the fact is that the Windows platform is under constant heavy bombardment and requires time-consuming updates and regular scans. Intelligent computing habits do help - I haven't had any virus issues for quite a while and all previous attacks were caught quickly before inflicting any real damage - but you still have to do the time.
When you take all these issues into account, the only thing that should deter you from purchasing a Mac is a must-have PC application that would not run under Windows XP (loaded via Parallels).
Macs vs PCs
by Cyberpath - 1/12/07 11:27 AM In reply to: Macs vs PCs - The obvious choice for You by cnetmessagemanThis has been an age old question and it's one that I think deserves the conversation that's been presented here. What's shocking me though is that no one is biting eachother's heads off. I'm not saying that I expect it but it's refreshing considering how defensive some people get.
Now for the record, I own a Dell PC and an Apple MacBook and have actually sat down and compared what I can do on both of them, just by doing basic tasks like internet browsing and setting up e-mail programs.
I understand that the Intel chip in my Mac may cause me to be a tad biased, but I digress, I still prefer my Mac for my day to day tasks. Now saying that, it's because I've yet to have a problem with anything in the way of viruses on my Mac. I'm very picky about my security when I use any computer and with Mac it's just a dead issue.
On my PC though, running Windows XP, I have to say that there's one thing that you don't think of as often but you do need to recognize... gaming. Gamers may need extremely powerful graphics cards and custom designed computers to do their thing, and I'm not going to knock them. I still go over to my PC a lot to play games because I feel that it's a different experience on it. Also, for those specialty applications that are only for Windows, go ahead! I mean sure... you can run Windows on a Mac now, but if you don't want to switch, just don't.
In my experience, Macs are great for your basic tasks where your PC may be more suited for an intensive user who's got programming and gaming on his mind. Either way, they're not exactly level for me, but I still think that the PC holds some things over a Mac's head.
I will tell you this though. After using my MacBook for about five minutes, one of my friends who hated Macs, actually said she may think of getting one for college because she likes the feel of how accessible and idiot-proof things are. This made me think, "Hm, maybe Macs are more suited for casual users and older people who need a computer that doesn't confuse them, where as Windows is just the bigger more accepted userbase with more software?"
Either way, if my grandparents want a computer, I'm thinking Apple, but if my intensive gaming friends come to me, I'll send them Dell or Alienware's way.
Here Here
by robertmro - 1/12/07 11:40 AM In reply to: Macs vs PCs by CyberpathWell put.
Macs vs PC - Vist & OS X Comparison
by bdsouthe - 1/12/07 12:11 PM In reply to: MACS VS THE PC by Krissa3You might want to read this comparison of the two OS's at Information Week Magazine:
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196800670
Right!
by jayhelman - 1/12/07 1:04 PM In reply to: MACS VS THE PC by Krissa3Everything you said/asked was totally right. I would compare the 2 just like that.
Mac vs. PC
by jvargaszabo - 1/12/07 8:55 PM In reply to: MACS VS THE PC by Krissa3I gotta say, I'm a die hard PC person, but I'm not gonna say macs are evil. I just never had the money to get a mac, and I have heard that they are better for artsy stuff (music, visual arts, etc.) However, I think that anything work based should be PC.
As for the difference in OS, since i have used windows forever, i am much more comfortable with it. When using a friends mac, i have a lot of trouble finding things, especially when minimizing windows. It's like driving a car in automatic, then trying to switch to standard shift.
The way I see it, Mac is simple. Very user friendly for the not so technologically literate. PC is good for and intermediate user, especially with windows. Once you get really advanced, Linux is the alleged way to go.
As for PCs being "ugly grey boxes", i find that completely untrue. Nowadays, especially when building yourself, you can do just about anything with your pc case. I dont know about mac.
Lastly, I find the pc is easier to upgrade yourself, especially for intermediate to advanced users. I'm not so sure about Macs, but for the PC, you stick a PCI card here, install some drivers, plug in some cables, and you're done. Much cheaper than buying a new mac.
Money is also an issue where i find the PC at an advantage, as PCs are becoming increasingly cheaper. When i compare mac and pc, i find you get better system specs for less with PC.
I tried. I think the one thing i can say is that "if you have the money, GET BOTH!". I sure wish i could...
Have fun, and take your needs (and finances) into consideration when buying.
I Can't Resist
by robertmro - 1/12/07 9:15 PM In reply to: Mac vs. PC by jvargaszaboYou can have both if you buy a Mac.
With all joking aside. I think it's all been said already in this discussion. There isn't much to be added at this point.
For gaming or building and modifying your own hardware, PC is the way to go. For ease of use and better OS design Mac wins.
Take your choice.
The amount of money you have invested in software licenses can be a determining factor too. It was for me.
MACs are better (to me)!
by japes79 - 1/13/07 1:03 AM In reply to: MACS VS THE PC by Krissa3actually i would prefer mac cause the good thing bout it is the graphic components in it.And Windows has higher percentage of hackers who can go in to your Windows computer.But Mac has a better protection against them.im using Mac myself and i have tried Windows before. Overall Mac has lower chance of losing your work just because of bugs and hackers but mainly its your preference
It's 50 vs 50
by arthur2print - 1/13/07 4:03 AM In reply to: MACS VS THE PC by Krissa3I'm a designing guy and have been using both Mac & PC since 86, in those days when DTP was introduced.
I would prefer a MAC to a PC since then. The MAC platform is much more stable and output files I sent to service bureau are without problem. This is not the case as with PC.
Though PCs today have catched up a lot with MAC, I would say MAC is still my choice when designing work is concerned as it is easy to use, less trouble and definitely, much much more productive.
Get a Mac .. reasons why!
by nrauch1942 - 1/14/07 8:56 AM In reply to: MACS VS THE PC by Krissa3As both a PC and Mac owner/user, I can attest to this: my 8 Macs ranging from my 1986 Mac Plus to my relatively new 2003 500mz iMac Snow all run with ABSOLUTELY no hardware or software problems. On the other hand my PCs (one) has been replaced three times ... all failed miserably hardware wise. Those little Macs have generated over $15 million dollars worth of business for me, using software in some instances that goes back to 1989. They all, with the exception of the still working Mac Plus (1986 and no hard drive)all talk to each other (Appletalk)and use the latest software. I use the wonderful Microsoft Word/Excel on all along with very powerful CAD Software (MacDraft). Bottom line my "faith" in Apple is based on their "high quality", "ease of use" and its inherent compatibility with the PC world. Lets just say, I've gotten a tremendouse return on my investment. How many PC users are still using in todays world, a computer or software that was purchased years ago. The newest iMac, of course has Tiger OSX installed and it runs my "old" software" plus the latest renditions under OSX ... all flawlessly.I hope all the PC users enjoy the non backward compatible upgrade to Vista.
You might consider to "switch". all run with ABSOLUTELY no hardware or
software problems. On the other hand my PCs (one) has been replaced
\three times ... all failed miserably hardware wise. Those little Macs
have generated over $15 million dollars worth of business for me, using
software in some instances that goes back to 1989. They all, with the
exception of the still working Mac Plus (1986 and no hard drive)all
talk to each other (Appletalk)and use the latest software. I use the
wonderful Microsoft Word/Excel on all along with very powerful CAD
Software (MacDraft). Bottom line my "faith" in Apple is based on their
"high quality", "ease of use" and its inherent compatibility with the
PC world. Lets just say, I've gotten a tremendouse return on my
investment. How many PC users are still using in todays world, a
computer or software that was purchased years ago. The newest iMac,
of course has Tiger OSX installed and it runs my "old" software" plus
the latest renditions under OSX ... all flawlessly.I hope all the PC
users enjoy the non backward compatible upgrade to Vista. You might
consider to "switch".
Vista, Non-backward compatible, false
by GaaraZanta - 1/14/07 8:47 PM In reply to: Get a Mac .. reasons why! by nrauch1942I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but Vista is backward compatible, you can install it over your XP install and all your files will be kept intact.
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