Networking & wireless: Stopping wireless use
see 1/21/2005 post
by outcast - 1/21/05 7:28 PM In reply to: Stopping wireless use by jbndhsin Networking and Wireless Forum
Sharing is Good !
by asifrauf - 1/21/05 9:23 PM In reply to: Stopping wireless use by jbndhsI have heard this many times - the question is what’s wrong if your neighbor is hitching a free ride on your wave? except if he is hacking - if not - relax , there is more to worry in life then making your neighbor pay or kicking him off the free wave - remember it doesn’t cost you anything – don’t be a miser. Folks in many cities have started a free access revolution, where people are inviting others to create virtual hot towns with free access for anyone
Let me twist this discussion around – let’s hear from experts as how can a person get free access to available connection – with or without permission!
Sharing is bad
by MichaelF - 1/21/05 10:43 PM In reply to: Sharing is Good ! by asifraufThis is copied from a reply to a similar post above...
I would not recommend such a cavalier attitude. Most firewalls do not block the local network, only access from the internet (otherwise other computers on your network could not access each other). If he can log onto your router and obtain a local ip address he is then a part of your local network. He then has access to everything.
Apart from that he can access your internet and be downloading 24/7, at best it would slow down YOUR internet access and at worst he could be downloading illegal material, uploading viruses or cracking into other computers. The author of the Melissa virus, David Smith was tracked back to his computer by the FBI and his ISP. This trail would lead back to you. He is likely to be doing questionable activities to need your anonymous (to him) connection in the first place.
If you want to share the wealth then donate to the Tsunami appeal, but you are leaving your household and anyone who listens to you open to enormous risks.
...I would also add that you would probably be legally liable for anything that occurs through your connection as you failed to take any precautions and allowed it to happen. Even if you weren't you are morally responsible, just as you would be if you failed to lock your office behind you and someone walked in and robbed the place. Your attitude is irresponsible.
Michael
Sharing is bad... Here's why.
by R. Proffitt
- 1/22/05 5:54 AM
In reply to: Sharing is Good ! by asifrauf
Open connections are being used by spammers.
Not all internet access is free of usage charges. Some charge after so many bytes.
Think about it.
Bob
Stopping wireless use
by jbndhs - 1/22/05 9:36 PM In reply to: Stopping wireless use by jbndhsThanks for all the response. After reading all of them it seems like there is not a 100% sure way short of disabling the wireless part of the router. As the only computer that is wireless is outside in the shed/workshop and hardly ever used that may be the best thing to do.
If I understand it right, doing that will not change anything with the other two that are wired to the router. Right??
There are two guys using my setup and I am realy not worried about them. But there is a part of me that says I would be better off if they didn't.
Oh the way I found out was one guy told me and the other couldn't keep his mouth shut. Another friend told me about it.
Sharing is good. Wifi everywhere dream.
by macrosky - 1/23/05 9:12 AM In reply to: Stopping wireless use by jbndhsHey, sharing is not so bad as someone here suggest. I do not set password to my router and just let my neighbors share my wireless. It does them a favor and doesn't cost me anything. Of course, if your wireless is charged after so many bytes, forget sharing. Otherwise, just share it. What a slim chance to meet a nextdoor hacker.
The best part of sharing is that if most guys would like to share, we can Wifi everywhere at least in the apartment complex. I have a dream. When you go to the swimming pool which is far away from your own router. You may use someone else's access point if they share their wireless.
Sharing can be bad for you. An example...
by R. Proffitt - 1/23/05 9:20 AM
In reply to: Sharing is good. Wifi everywhere dream. by macrosky
Let's say your leacher is downloading kidy pron. Guess who's going to be nicked for the offense?
Let's also try this. The leacher is also sending spam because they don't practice safe hex and a trojan/virus is sending spam.
-> In either case, who's account or life gets upset?
Bob
MAC Address
by dgudorf - 1/23/05 4:52 PM In reply to: Sharing can be bad for you. An example... by R. Proffitt
I'm new to wi-fi. I have set it up in my house but I am concerned about network security. I am trying to follow the ideas listed in this forum. How do I get the MAC address for my laptop which has a pci wireless card in it. The connection works but I want to restrict what PCs have access to my router so I need the MAC address of my laptop. I know about ipconfig/all but it goes by too fast for me to read the mac address on the screen. Is there a way to send it to my printer?
mac address
by MichaelF - 1/23/05 4:59 PM In reply to: MAC Address by dgudorfOpen a command prompt first, you should find it under accessories. Then when you type ipconfig it stays on the screen as long as you leave the window open.
Michael
Wireless links and the neighbor
by gthoenen - 1/23/05 6:25 PM In reply to: mac address by MichaelFI have what I think is a related but somewhat different problem. I have no evidence that my neighbor is actually using my ISP connection, or my mail, to access the internet. However, frequently when he is home and never when he is not home, my wireless connection gets seriously degraded ... often to the point that I can't access the internet from the wirelessly-connected computer at all.
I've tried changing the channel. This does reduce the damage a bit, but it doesn't cure it.
Is the anything to be done?
-- Gary
Wireless
by taboma. - 1/23/05 8:20 PM In reply to: Wireless links and the neighbor by gthoenenGary, get rid of it! What could be simpler.
First of all it is not secure. A person could access your computer from a hundred yards away and learn everything including your credit card id. Disable the thing.
Not really worth it. Why do you use it at all?
Wireless links and the neighbor
by MichaelF - 1/23/05 10:05 PM In reply to: Wireless links and the neighbor by gthoenenGary
Log into your router (manual should tell you how) and you should be able to browse to a screen which list currently logged on computers. Check when your neighbour is home to see if he is abusing your hospitality.
Second, do all the security that has been suggested on this forum, they are not that hard. I knew nothing about wireless 2 weeks ago until I had to set one up and then a couple of hours on the internet and I know all about SSID's, broadcasting, WEP etc. At a minimum stop broadcasting, then change your SSID to something hard and if everything is working ok investigate WEP. Do one thing at a time and confirm it still works so that you know what to troubleshoot if it doesn't. Remember that each time you make a change on your router that you need to make a corresponding change in your network properties (control panel, network).
Only an experienced hacker will get in then and they have to know where you are. Simple and probably 95% more secure than nothing. Also there are websites dedicated to most routers that step through doing this stuff, just do a search.
Michael
RE: but it goes by too fast
by sam_iam99 - 1/23/05 9:41 PM In reply to: MAC Address by dgudorfif it goes by too fast on your screen, pipe the command
to More to page it page by page.
ipconfig /all |more
press alt-enter keys on your keyboard for full screen
command window.
press print screen key on your keyboard and paste into
notepad or word to print out on your printer.
Cheers.
Don't wont wireless
by otis192000 - 3/8/05 8:59 PM In reply to: Sharing is good. Wifi everywhere dream. by macroskyreplace the router with a non-wireless router
Makes a handy Alibi
by andocrates - 12/20/06 9:10 PM In reply to: Don't wont wireless by otis192000I think you are being an a.s.s unless the guy is sucking up all your bandwidth, why start a beef with your neighbor over something that's the same price no matter the usage. It's like "honey, the neighbor is watching our TV again hurry and pull the blinds. "I have people park in front of my house all the time and I just smile and wave at them. (I am wired but left one wireless slot) But anyway, the great thing is it makes a perfect alibi should the secret police come busting down your door in the middle of the night, "Oh" you whine "I don't have anything to hide." Wake up, I say wake up boy. That doesn't matter today - the justice system is a heartless machine and from the time you are arrested you cease to be a person and no one will listen to you. It's not until your $100.00 hr lawyer shows up they briefly give you back your humanity. There are so many absurd computer crime arrests happening today that a little free insurance ain't a bad thing. With no hard evidence they could still convict on isp or sting logs, but if you can show others had access they will never get a conviction.
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