Games & gear: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said
Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said
by sonymaster101 - 11/6/06 4:30 PMNintendo has been advertising its new console the wii as the innovative video game system ever. But, they designed a new console that is barely as powerful as the ps2, is $100 more expensive, cannot play blu-ray, Hd-dvd, or regular dvd's, And does not have a hard disk, but ''boasts'' 512 MB of internal flash memory. 512 MB is about enough to store 10 minutes of hd video, not to mention the wii can't play any HD whatsoever. And, the functionality of their new remote is somewhat limited, As you can only maintain 1 point of contact at a time.
They should have took the time to make a system that was as powerful as both the playstation3 and the xbox 360. When the nintendo wii is released on november 19, two days after the ps3 release, it is going to get left in the dust of this powerful console. Nintendo also has been ranting and raving about ''wiiconnect24''. But this service will probably be poor compared to both xbox live and even sony's new service. And if it is always connected to the internet, it is never truly turned off. It always consumes enough power to stay connected to the internet. this can contibute up to a couple of dollars to you bill in a month, around $20 per year.
And don't get me wrong, the wii does come with wifi, but it is not a standard format and therefore it is slower than g and the new n, can only communicate with nintendo's portable the DS. with the wii, there are no options. there is one sytem and that is all you can get. At least with the xbox360 and ps3 you can choose a price that fits your budget. No matter how many ways you cut the cake, you get a console that is no better than its predecessor. Nintendo needs to think about not trying to please everyone with their lineup and only make two or three systems. they cannot get enough fans on any one system because their customers are spread out over four different systems.
The ps3 on the other hand, instead of investing in old technology, has totally rebuilt their system from the ground up, to make a video, audio, and overall gaming experience that is amazing and fun. The ps3 clocks in at 3.2 gigaherhz, while the wii is somewhere around a measely 400 Mhz. Again unlike the wii, the ps3 comes with either a 20 GB or a 60 GB hard drive, enough space to store all of you media in one place. The playstation 3 also shows promise of useful connectivity with its portable conterpart, the psp. Sony demonstrated the psp could be used as a rearview mirror in one of the racing titles for the console. the ds can connect with the wii, but nintendo hasn't domestrated that you can get anything out of it.
Within a year of its release, the wii will be old technology. A good value is something you don't have to re-invest in every year. Thats why I am putting my money with sony.
Facts
by perydwyn - 11/6/06 5:16 PM In reply to: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said by sonymaster101Okay lets begin correcting some bad reporting...(I will not bother with the grammatical errors, merely the false claims).
The ps2's processor clocked in at 294mhz
The wii's processor clocks in at 900mhz, not the 400'ish claimed by the reporter of this piece.
The wii's controller acts as both a pointing device (a 3d mouse if you like) and also has full independant 3d motion sensing capabilities...so not 'one point at a time'.
You can turn the wii off if you wish (theres this amazing little thing called an 'off switch'). However due to the time Nintendo has spent developing a new type of processor, you can leave the machine on standby consuming as much power as a small light bulb.
There is only one machine option with Wii, but at a third the price of the cheapest PS3 option (which incidently doesnt come with a game, unlike the Wii's 5 included) is that a bad thing?
I got a little confused when the reporter started mentioning 'customers spread out accross 4 sytems'...pardon?
Also criticising the Wii for being able to connect with the DS in one paragraph, only to say how great it is that the PS3 can connect with the PSP is a bit strange.
As for the hard drive issue. The Wii can be connected to a mobile USB hard drive, and since I can get hold of one of those (100Gb) for about £100, its not an issue.
Just thought i would correct the mistakes. A review should only report facts after-all.
Wii
by Canuckle777 - 11/6/06 5:20 PM In reply to: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said by sonymaster101Sonymaster, you seem to obviously really like Sony but this is hardly a review, since I can only assume you haven't played either the wii or the PS3 to make any solid conclusions.
For the HD war this time around, I will be sticking with HD-DVD so the Blueray doesn't sway my decision. As a matter of fact, I have 2 DVD players right now so I really don't need a third on my consoles (I didn't even count my Xbox). The new controller seems to be the least limited in this console war. I would go as far as to say that it is the absolute opposite of limited in that it can be recognized in 3D space.
No one really knows what wiiconnect24 will be like so to cast judgment on it now isn't fair, plus, no one knows what Sony's overall online plans are yet, just small details.
The communication between the hugely popular DS vs the hardly purchased PSP is definately something to think about, it might even be a Wii seller to some folks.
The fact that Xbox360 and the PS3 have 2 systems sku'ed each shows that they are trying to get a value priced system out the door along with the expensive ones. You mention that they have systems where you can choose a console that fits in your budget, but the wii is $50 cheaper than the junk Xbox360 and half the price of the expensive PS3.
The wii isn't around 400MHz, it was also built from the ground up using new technology and controller technology that no other console has to date.
You seem like you really want a PS3 (judging by your name alone) but I am excited to get a wii for all of us at the house to play on. I have a media center PC along with 300GBs of storage for all my HD needs, and without HD your review says that the PS3 is fun (but you probably haven't played on one) and if Nintendo is 2-5 times more fun and half the price, I would be silly not to go for the Wii.
You are wrong
by geonificent - 11/6/06 5:28 PM In reply to: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said by sonymaster101''they designed a new console that is barely as powerful as the ps2''
What are you talking about? The Gamecube has a 485Mhz CPU, 168Mhz GPU, 40MB of RAM etc while Playstation 2 has 294Mhz CPU, 147Mhz GPU and 32MB of RAM...Gamecube was more powerful than the Playstation 2, how could the Wii be less powerful than Gamecube and Playstation 2?
''512 MB is about enough to store 10 minutes of hd video''
The storage is for game saves, assets and downloadable games. You can upgrade with a SD memory card or a USB drive.
''the functionality of their new remote is somewhat limited,''
It's a complete 3D controller. The Wii can detect its direction, distance and axis. You can practically do everything from wield a sword to play a real-time strategy game so easily.
''It always consumes enough power to stay connected to the internet. this can contibute up to a couple of dollars to you bill in a month, around $20 per year.''
In case you didn't hear the console is the most power efficient system today date. And most importantly when turned off it uses the POWER of a MINIATURE lightbulb. Do you know how much power that is?
''the wii does come with wifi, but it is not a standard format and therefore it is slower than g and the new n, can only communicate with nintendo's portable the DS. with the wii, there are no options.''
First of all it's a real 801.11 Wi-Fi system, secondly how fast is your internet connection? 1.5 MBPS? 3? 5? It makes absolutely NO difference between b, g and n for online gaming. Only communicate with DS? What are you talking about you can play online games, surf the web etc all using Wi-Fi.
''while the wii is somewhere around a measely 400 Mhz.''
Where did you get that info from? It's predecessor had 485Mhz? You even said it is barely as powerful as PS2 and here you say it has 400Mhz? Come on...
''the ds can connect with the wii, but nintendo hasn't domestrated that you can get anything out of it.''
Yes it has, you can download demos unto the DS, you can use it as a Controller in a game like Pokemon Battle Revolution etc.
You need to really get your info straight on the Wii.
I Disagree!
by smack32767 - 11/6/06 5:35 PM In reply to: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said by sonymaster101Obviously sonymaster101 is on Sony's payroll or is a delirious fanboy -- either is fine, but let's keep the facts and the conjecture straight.
The only ''fact'' listed that I'm going to argue is the notion that the Nintendo Wii is ''barely as powerful as the ps2''. It is well understood (and well documented) that the Nintendo Gamecube is about 25% to 50% more powerful than the PS2 and about equal to the XBox. The Wii is about 50% to 100% more powerful than the Gamecube, so the resulting math is obvious and immediately discredits this particular claim.
Furthermore, the PSP is significantly more powerful than the Nintendo DS (and supports more media formats, etc.) -- but the DS has smashed the PSP in sales numbers, both overseas and in the US. Nintendo ate a slice of humble pie during the last round of the console wars, regrouped and now appear to really understand what they are doing and why they are doing it.
I do wish the Wii was a little more powerful. I do wish that it clocked in at $199. But make no mistake: the revolution is in the system's control scheme, general aesthetics, wireless technology and usability. Nintendo does not claim otherwise. It's going to be a fantastic, fun, easily accessibly system that will outsell the PS3 for many, many months. It's a ''game system'' and not a ''supercomputer'' -- guess which one sounds more appealing to, well, anyone who wants to play games?
You couldn't be further from the truth
by Psohl14 - 11/6/06 5:39 PM In reply to: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said by sonymaster101First of all, grammar is your friend. Basically, your topic says that the Wii isn't as revolting as people have said.
Anyway, Nintendo's made it clear that it hasn't designed the Wii for graphics. Regardless though, the console will be capable of some beautiful visuals. Don't believe me, go look at some screens of Resident Evil on Gamecube. And the Wii is more powerful. So what if it isn't as good as the PS3, you're also paying only 200 dollars for the console (Wii sports accounts for the extra fifty). So you pay a third of the price, and at the same time, you're definetly getting about 85% of the graphical capabilities, as well as a new kind of controller.
First, did you mean to say "Revolution"
by Jegan747 - 11/6/06 5:40 PM In reply to: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said by sonymaster101Wow, you really don't know much about video games, if you took time to research anything, and you were not just a sony fan boy, you might understand what Nintendo is trying to do with wii.
First thing the wii's power is less than ps3 and xbox 360, but it is plenty more powerful than the ps2 and xbox. Also the ps2 does not play blue ray DVD either. You also forgot to mention the what the wii is about, MOTION SENSING CONROLS. THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT A REVOLUTION! If you want to play baseball you swing the controller like a baseball bat, if you want to play call of duty 3 you aim the controller at the TV screen and shoot, like you actually shooting. The point is the system, and the controller is immersive. With its free motion controls it promises to be the hottest item of the year (also considering there are loads more wiis being shipped than ps3s).
It is also not all about graphics, its about the games. The ps3 and 360 have taken allot of crap from the public for offering two sku (separate systems) instead of one. Also, there will be online for the wii starting next year, and this year (until next year) there for ps3 online there will only be stupid friend codes (meaning a different buddy list for each game) which is not promising.
And what do you mean by this- "Nintendo needs to think about not trying to please everyone with their lineup and only make two or three systems. they cannot get enough fans on any one system because their customers are spread out over four different systems." There is only the ds lite and wii now, if your counting old systems like the game cube and ds then my don’t you count sony’s also? I count, the ps2, the ps2 slim, the ps3 and the psp, THAT IS THE SAME AMOUNT BUDDY!
The ps3 is also huge and loud compared to the wii which is merely the size of 3 DVD cases together and is quieter than a fly.
The wii also has promising connectivity with a portable system, the ds or the ds lite. It can hook up so you can download game demos to your ds lite through your wii, and use it as a touch screen controller.
The only thing sony has going for it is the graphics while the wii has motion controls and a line up of amazing games.
Now please go research games, or die sony fan boy.
-Game Researcher
Umm Jegan747....
by Nintendo-LOZ- - 11/7/06 1:54 PM In reply to: First, did you mean to say "Revolution" by Jegan747Jegan 747 F.Y.I. The system is called the Nintendo Wii. The Nintendo Revolution was just a codename for it as the Nintendo Dolphin was codename for the GCN.
Just letting you know 
(No harsh feelings)
-Nintendo-LOZ-
um, i know
by Jegan747 - 11/7/06 7:54 PM In reply to: Umm Jegan747.... by Nintendo-LOZ-i know it is wii, its just he didn't spell revolution right and said that it was not a revolution among consoles.
My Theory
by tohubohu314 - 11/6/06 7:38 PM In reply to: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said by sonymaster101My theory is that 'sonymaster' is really a wii fan in disguise.
He is cleverly trying to remind us that we should follow the console that we really feel is best, not some shadow of a once great company. His indirection reminds us that we should look at the aspects of the console that really matter, and that we should remember what consoles are really all about: fun. Clock speed and system memory have no indication of the amount of fun a console will be. This is not to say that ps2 didn't have some of the greatest games and didn't sell tremendously because of it. But let that be an example. PS2 was the least powerful of the last generation's consoles. Out of the box it only supported two controllers. It was more expensive than the gamecube and the same price as the xbox, but it drew a huge following and continues to sell well today.
The real revolution in the Wii is not the controller. Although the controller is very cool and will bring a new dynamic to game play, it can be copied (and already has..i'm talking about the fusion not the lame SIXAXIS), and it would be foolish for Nintendo to center a console around its controller. The real revolution in the Wii is Nintendo's attitude towards the next generation of console gaming (which ironically is going back to the original strategy of the gaming machine from the 70's). As I said before gaming is about having fun. Remember when you used to play cops and robbers or scrabble? The current state of gaming is a far cry from those days.
I'm not saying we should regress into infancy. What I'm saying is that gaming should not be limited to supernerds and hardcore gamers who seem to find vast amounts of free time and money (although those people should not be discounted). Gaming should be for the average Joe..and his sister..and his mother. It shouldn't be a significant purchase (i.e. one equal to your monthly mortgage payment). You life shouldn't revolve around it. But you should enjoy it, and be able to share it with those around you.
So thank you sonymaster for reminding us that gaming isn't about company loyalty. It isn't about useless numbers and facts (or grammar). It's about having fun.
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by RyuHyabusa - 11/6/06 8:40 PM In reply to: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said by sonymaster101First of all I will not go into how terrible this article is as I am sure that that has been adressed, but I do want to point out one trap that I find many Sony fans fall into....
Has anyone ever noticed that as soon as this whole PS3 vs. Wii debate starts Sony fans automatically point out the things that the Wii doesn't have i.e.) Blu-ray, more muscle, better graphics yadda yadda yadda.....
so is there really a point in bringing these issues up when we all knew (Sony and Nintendo fans alike) right from the beginning that the Wii would not have these things under it's hood? No.
So the only viable debate then is to compare what each system does have. Blu-ray? Wii doesn't even have a DVD player. Better graphics? Not at all. Games? AH HA!!! Now we have a real debate! Both systems play video games! We should be comparing those!
Now I have not played either system so I am not going to go on a tirade on how each system fares. But I will say this: to the average person (and you can define for yourself what is average), they really could care less about which system has more Gigabytes, Tetrabytes or Mosiquito Bytes. To the average person (NOT the average gamer, there is a BIG difference) They don't care if it can play the latest formats, what the average person sees FIRST is how are the games? Are they fun? Is it easy to learn? Can I play this without knowing what a hard drive is? The average person is what will be the big money maker for any company. The product needs to be thought of from an average consumers point of view.
If it were all about guts and internal processing then I guess the PSP would be outselling the DS right? Well the last I saw the DS was still outselling the more powerful PSP, and this is a small side note, I have tons of girlfriends that have bought a DS. Can the PSP boast the same? I had both systems and ended up selling my PSP. Why? It was MORe Powerful and it could do more, but, the games! The DS has much better games and that is what will sell a system. I thnk Nintendo is on to something.
I have been a PS fan for a long time, so I really hope the PS3 does well, but the DS has put my faith back into good ol' Nintendo and if the DS is any indication of what Nintendo has lined up then I'll be counting down the days till the Wii launch.
One more thing.... how old are you seriously? I would think you were about 14 beacause this is terrible "review".
600$ Is a lot of money.
by k23232323 - 11/6/06 8:56 PM In reply to: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said by sonymaster101I understand sonymaster wants a powerful game system, but the Ps3 is a little extreme . If you want power , go with the Xbox 360. If you want to play something new go with the Wii. But the Ps3 , although it will sell out at launch, might find it self on the losing side of a format war. I say wait a year to see which format , HD-DVD or Blue-Ray DVD wins. If blue ray wins, go with Ps3 , if not don't waste 600$ on it .
Note: There is a strong probability that Direct to Drive ( direct downloading of content to a hard drive rather then buying a DvD at all) may make the two new DVD formats obsolete.
Incorrect in about everything.
by InToTheTuRReT - 11/6/06 9:53 PM In reply to: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said by sonymaster101Are you 10? Because, you have so much grammer errors that I cannot count them all.
First you say "they designed a new console that is barely as powerful as the ps2", but the PS2 has a CPU that runs below 200MHz, while the Wii runs around 900MHz.
You say "[Wii] cannot play blu-ray, Hd-dvd, or regular dvd's, And does not have a hard disk, but ''boasts'' 512 MB of internal flash memory." Bluray will probably be like Sony's other failed (all of Sony's storage mediums have failed currently) storage mediums such as the Betamax and the UMD. Why do you want to play DVDs on a Video Game Console? Most people already have DVD players and theres no point in raising the cost of the Wii by $50 or so just to give people a second DVD player. The Wii will use SD Cards to store things also, while the 512MB Internal is going to be used for Virtual Console, Game Saves, etc.
"And, the functionality of their new remote is somewhat limited, As you can only maintain 1 point of contact at a time." I dont think you have ever seen the Wii Remote in action have you?
"Nintendo also has been ranting and raving about ''wiiconnect24''." We dont know much about WiiConnect24, all we know is that the Wii goes into "standby" mode and uses the amount of energy of a light bulb. While in this "standby" mode, the Wii will download patches, recieve gifts in some games, get extra levels in games, etc.
"And don't get me wrong, the wii does come with wifi, but it is not a standard format and therefore it is slower than g and the new n, can only communicate with nintendo's portable the DS." The Wii uses a "standard" format (G or B), and no, it doesnt only connect to the DS. With Nintendo WiFi Connection you can play games over the internet (like Xbox Live) but for free, just like the PS3.
"No matter how many ways you cut the cake, you get a console that is no better than its predecessor. Nintendo needs to think about not trying to please everyone with their lineup and only make two or three systems. they cannot get enough fans on any one system because their customers are spread out over four different systems." The Wii's CPU can be 4x better than the GCN's CPU. There are only 3 System/Portables: the GCN (Gamecube), DS, and the GBA. The DS can play GBA games in singleplayer, so the GBA is pretty much obsolete currently. If you didnt know, the Wii can play Gamecube games and use Gamecube controllers and memory cards.
"The ps3 on the other hand, instead of investing in old technology, has totally rebuilt their system from the ground up, to make a video, audio, and overall gaming experience that is amazing and fun. The ps3 clocks in at 3.2 gigaherhz, while the wii is somewhere around a measely 400 Mhz. Again unlike the wii, the ps3 comes with either a 20 GB or a 60 GB hard drive, enough space to store all of you media in one place." The Wii isnt old technology, the new CPU and GPU are built with new technology. The Xbox 360 is also at 3.2GHz, the Wii is around 900MHz. If you never knew, Ridge Racer 7 can take up 5GB of your HD on a PS3 to speed up load times. This is also in many games, so if you dont want to wait a long time on loading, then you need to give up huge chunks of your HD Space for the games.
I'm not suprised that you left out the price of the PS3. Which is a whopping $499.99 for the cheap version (no online) and $599.99 for the "premium" PS3. In Australia they have to pay $1000 for the premium PS3. The Wii is only $249.99, so I can buy a Wii with an extra Wii Remote and Nunchuk, and 6 more games for $609.95 (or something like that). You also left out that PS3 games will cost $60 and $70, while Wii has $50 games.
Please try a Wii before you start making up stuff about it, I've heard they are setting up Wii's in Gamestops around the U.S.
Right on...
by josethetiger - 11/6/06 10:49 PM In reply to: Wii is not as much of a revoltion as said by sonymaster101Its funny how these Nintendo fanboys can't even get their numbers straight. Anywho, PC magazine has a good article on next gen consoles this month. I suggest ALL fanboys read it. It'll clarify everything. I must say I completely agree with your assesment, and wouldn't waste my money on an outdated next gen console.
"Outdated next-gen consol?"
by toMatto - 11/7/06 6:28 AM In reply to: Right on... by josethetigerThat sir, is an oxymoron. I'm sure none of the people who comment against the main article arn't 'Nintendo fanboys,' as you stated, but mearly want to clarify the VERY baised review of the Wii compared to the PS3.
Now, I'm not saying that the Wii is the best, and the PS3 sucks, I'm mearly saying that you should at least look at both sides before you decide to bash on something you don't have a grasp on. I'm going to bet the person who wrote the main article didn't even play a Wii, or a PS3 for that matter, and is going on what other people say, and his own bias views, to write it.
Basiclly, get your facts straight people, and learn to be more open minded.
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