I know you don't spend roughly $3000. on a new HDTV to watch SD TV but does it make a difference where the signal is coming from? Lets say you have digital cable. Only the channels that are actually digital are...digital? (and there aren't too many yet. right?) The rest of the channels are still analog. Even though you're paying for digital.
Now a satelite reception is 100% digital right? Still not HD but wouldn't viewing on a 100% digital channel be better than the same channel on an analog reception???
My new HDTV is going to be the primary TV for watching movies or SD TV so I guess it's sink or swim. I know my wife will be upset if her Thurs. nights of NBC look crappy.
What is the website were you got the information from that 1620i is just around the corner from?
It would not surprise me, which is one reason why I think that 1920x1080p is neseesary.
It maybe possible to up-scale 1920x1080p to 1620i.
It also wouldn't surprise me if LoCOS will replace LCD using 1920x1620i or a 1920x1620p format.
I don't like quoting just the last figure for example 1080i because some manufacturers, especially plasma uses a lower fertical resolution, which becomes less than 1 million pixels = HD resoloution.
...in my mind. It is humor only.
It is my humorous response to what I consider to be the specifications/numbers race preoccupation of many people. Yes, the new improvements are great. However, many do not understand that the actual incremental increase in performance is not a simple mathematical improvement. Many see the 1080p resolution spec, for example, and presume this implies an approximate resolution improvement of 40% over 768p. The actual visual difference is very slight. I know I'm being very simplistic here but I think you will get my drift.
This race mentality is fueled by the manufacturer's pushing new improvements in an ever more frequent release of new groundbreaking features and specs.
Yes, technology moves fast these days, but companies also move fast to convince us that what we have is no longer any good. They now put models on the shelves in which they don't even have the bugs eliminated yet. Look at the first generation models of the new super DVD players from Toshiba and Samsung.
The ''racers'' have to have HDMI, no HDMI 1.2, no wait it's now 1.3, soon it will probably be HDMI 1.4, and on and on.
The trick is to figure out when it is actually a reasonable move to embrace a new piece of equipment. Some just have to have the ''latest and best.''
This is why we have people post here looking for a $300-$400 HTIB system to compliment the $3500 TV they just bought. They went overboard on the TV so they are a little limited on cash for the sound portion of their system. They still insist however, that it must be a 7.1 system, have HDMI, a sub that really rocks, floorstanding fronts, an upconverting DVD player and at least 1200 watts! OK, sure, no problem for $400.
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I have to disagree with your last statement Riv. As a nube, I for one, have very little knowledge on what it takes to put together a decent home entertainment piece and that's just the general know how. I really had know idea cash wise when I decided to purchase my new 46" 1080p LCD set. Yes I had posted earlier on suggestion on a HTIB and feel like a fool now for doing so, but I am going to spend the extra cash on an audio system to accompany my set because I HAVE seen the light and still want the best that my money can buy. I just won't be able to do it all at once. I'm sure I'm not the only one in here who dosen't have the cash to purchase an entire entertainment center without second mortgaging my house. In short...The people that post for suggestions are just a little lost and really don't know what all is out there and what it costs. And your right. Then we have no business purchasing a $3500. set without finding out the facts, but now that we have, We need the assistance of some pro's, as yourself, and especially your patience. I'm sure you get the same question's a million times in a month each from a different nube and it's hard to swallow at times. Everyone in here was nube at one point. All with a million questions. Most wanting to know "How much can I buy with this many?" As we hold out our hand with some pennies, some lint, a pebble and a paper clip.
That's all I got to say about that.
Thanks.
grc out.
....I think my reason for the last paragragh didn't come thru as I meant it. I of course was being a little sarcastic. What I was trying to do was mimic a newbie who simply got some buzz words in his mind that seemed to make for the perfect system. He was saying he absolutely had to have 7.1 for example because somehow he got the idea that was a great home theater sound necessity and nothing else would do.
I was actually combining my thoughts there with one of my pet peeves that many spend almost all of their budget on video and then almost completely ignore sound.
I have no problems with HTIB for those who want an easy way for a cheap price, lets say $500-$600, to supply the sound part to go with their $1000 LCD TV. The mix is OK here. The smart buyers realize they are comprimising and do not expect to get all the top of the line features at this price.
I'm just cautioning people from getting specific numbers or features in their head as the holy grail of audio/video, hence what I refer to as the numbers or features game.
If any of this hit home with you it wasn't intentional. I for one am glad to help as I can. I just try to also point out to newer A/V enthusiats to don't get hung up on the numbers, there is lots more to it than that. ![]()
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I probably didn't realise that people were looking at it that way, but you are correct.
In England there is a 1080p TV.
Quoting, Hi-Fi? Sound and Vision,
'42" GoodmansGTV42W15HD, 1920x1080, £1,200 GB sterling, reviewed september 2006,...Cracking price, but we'd save up for something better...'
The reason why I knew that Sony's 1080P should be as good as, 'What Hi-Fi' claim it was is because the magazine can be trusted, based on previous models, what other magazines, and on the internet had to say about it, seeing probably 32" version, which was better than any other HD models.
That's because your on the PAL system. The PAL system is based on 50hrz refresh rate.
NTSC/ATSC is at 60hz refresh rate. The 60hz takes more bandwidth than 50hz, so it would be possible to do 1080p/24. John
Thanks!
This probably also logically explains why the picture quality on PAL is better than NTSC.
on a small screen unless you also plan to use the TV as a monitor for a PC or gaming device.
As a pure TV... pointless.
Where it will show a benefit is with front projectors on large screens over 60" and you have a HD/BD player or media PC to feed it 1080p media.
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A number of people including at least two editors have quoted 40" should be the minimum size to buy, which sounds about right.
One editor actually owned a 40" or 42" and said that when he moved his sitting position from about 12' to 10' he had excellent high definition.
It probably depend on the quality of the HD (high definition) resolution picture (different models in the same series will be different in some cases)how far it is neccessary to obtain the correct HD effect.
HD picture resolution probably depends also on;
1) Some peoples eysight
2) Lighting Conditions
3) What type of TVs (televisions)
A) Plasma
B) 3LCD
C) Front Projections
D) Rear Rojections
E) LCD
F) LoCOS (when arrive might replace LCDs)
H) SED
As I understand it, the HDMI connections now out there are HDMI 1.2, but there will be a new connection called HDMI 1.3 that requires a bigger female socket. Although I haven't read the details, I wouldn't assume that an adapter, such as used between DVI and HDMI, will be a simple solution. It might be that in order to get the best quality out the high definition discs, you'll need a player with that kind of output, a receiver/multichannel preamp with that kind of input and output, and a TV with that kind of HDMI 1.3 input. I'm told that this will be out among several products by summer 2007.
and it should work on my TV, right? Or, more specifically, the plug will fit? Hah.
Can you remember where on the Web you got that information from?
Some where on the web I read that HDMI 1.3 was already being used, but I cannot remember where.
I had automatically assumed that some how the HDMI 1.3 was automatically downloaded to all TVs, because I had not realised that a TV is not a PC.
One reason for not buying an HD TV yet is because there are too many problems to consider:
1) BLu-ray & HD-DVD
2) Combining TV and PC technology
3) There have been compatibility problems with HD products which contain HD ready labels, which it appears editors and manufacturers have kept quite about.
4) It should be possible to link a PC to a TV to download the latest HDMI 1.3 driver (software) for people who only have the inferior versions.
5) when editors and the manufacturers were stating that there were no differences between DVI and HDMI I didn't believe them. For example DVi cannot be encripted to prevent piracy of the sound only the picture, which was why HDMI was created.
6) When I found out about HDMI 1.3 I was shocked, because I had always assumed that there was only one version of HDMI and not that three had been created.
7) I also asked what was the purpose of the long wait for the standard to be sorted out before marketing HD products.
8) Too many further upgrades and improvement in picture quality and reduction in price despite knowing about:-
A) The latest Sony KDL-40W2000 (UK) - equivalent to Sony 40” Bravia LCD TV KDL-40V2500 (USA).
B) The superior versions:
Sony KDL-40X2000 (UK not available yet) equivalent to;
Sony 40” Bravia XBR LCD Flat Panel HDTV KDL-40XBR2 (USA) or
Sony 40” Bravia XBR LCD Flat Panel HDTV KDL-40XBR3 (USA)
If the socket is going to be a different size, I need to find out why, because why couldn't they just modify a scart or 21-pin socket.
There was something else, which annoyed me when I found out about HDMI 1.3 but I cannot remember what it is, but also why didn't CNET tell us about it?
How do we know which product contains the new HDMI 1.3 standard, because nobdoy I don't thnk told us about the upgrade from HDMI 1.0 to; HDMI 1.1, HDMI 1.2 to HDMI 1.3 and what are the different functions between them?
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