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Community weekly poll: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups?

by Marc Bennett Moderator - 10/26/06 10:11 AM
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Post 16 of 36

I Have Restored Many Times

by Dr. Planarian - 10/27/06 6:19 AM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

In a previous life, I was a Unix system engineer for a major organization, and my job had a significant user support component for not only servers but PCs as well. The question is not whether or not you're ever going to need to restore from backup, but when.

If you don't have the backups, you will lose your data. Think about it... All your email addresses, everything you've written and "archived" on your PC, your Quicken accounts, your irretrievable, incalculably precious photographs, EVERYTHING, will be lost if you haven't got a backup WHEN, not "if," your hard drive goes into the dumpster.

Oh, sure, you can go to a sector-by-sector recovery firm and maybe, just MAYBE, get some small percentage of it back, weeks later at a cost of maybe $3,000, but wouldn't it be easier just to back things up?

I no longer do full system/data backups. It's really only necessary to retain the following:

1. Your Windows and all you initial driver distribution disks for all your hardware.

2. Every application distribution disk you might wish to reinstall. You should also save downloaded application distributions to CD just in case, although it's usually better to download and install the most recent versions after you restore your O/S and connectivity.

3. Periodic printouts -- on actual PAPER, because all your saved data will be gone -- from Belarc Advisor (for an overview) and PC Wizard (for more richly detailed information -- what a WONDERFUL app!) so you can reference the actual state of hardware and software installed on your PC.

4. Your ENTIRE "My Documents" folder saved to disks.

5. A copy on CD of those folders out of the "Application Data" folder that cannot be easily recreated, like the one where your email data is stored and your web browser bookmarks/favorites. Most of the folders in "Application Data" only contain "Preferences" configuration information that you can easily redo after recovery, so you don't need to keep these, although they're usually so small it's not really an issue. Others, however, like some picture sorting apps, contain large indexes that might cause complications after reinstall. It might actually be BETTER to leave these off.

Twice on my present computer (and innumerable times on the computers of others) I have had to restore from backups. First I restore the system and drivers from initial distribution, and update those as needed to the most recent versions. Then I restore the applications, from distribution if I purchased them, and then update to current from their internet sources. I then restore my most essential internet-sourced applications (like Eudora and Firefox) in their current versions, and I leave off those applications I installed but then found that I never actually use them. Then I restore my data, first the "Application Data," and finally the "My Documents," from CDs. Finally, I re-download and reinstall my enormous host of "auxiliary applications" over the internet in their most recent iterations (Belarc Advisor is so nice to provide me with a list of all of these things I'd installed previously!).

Admittedly, this method makes restoration more time consuming and difficult to complete, but the end result is vastly superior for a number of reasons.

1. If you restore from a complete backup, you will get everything back just as it was but with all the accumulated cruft (and potentially even malicious code which may have caused your crash in the first place, and corrupted files with their corruption intact) that you've loaded your system with over years of use. When you restore from distribution, you get clean installs and your computer runs like new.

2. You get everything you download in its the most recent version without any unwanted, system-draining remnants of previous releases.

3. Through the refreshment this does to your own human memory, you get a permanent better sense of what you've got, where it is, and what you really need. It makes YOU a better geek!

Because my computer is (how shall I put this?) rather mature, it takes me several days to complete the whole procedure, although my computer becomes usable for things like email and web browsing within only a few minutes of restoring the O/S, drivers, reconnecting to the internet, and installing and configuring the email and browser apps -- a matter of a couple of hours.

It's a pain, sure. But so's any other way, and this leaves you actually better off in the end than you were before the crash.

Post 17 of 36

i backup religiously but cluelessly

by pjh55 - 10/27/06 7:02 AM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

i backup regularly to my belkin drive, but havent a clue as to what i would do in case of disaster. i dont even know exactly what is on the backup disk. can anyone advise me as to (1) how to recover using my backup data, and (2) how to transfer between an old and a new computer with minimum reinstall? i need basic, step-by-step help on both. i particularly need help on (2), as i intend to buy anew comoputer early next year, after vista dawns.

Post 18 of 36

AlohaBob...

by wahnula - 10/27/06 7:35 AM In reply to: i backup religiously but cluelessly by pjh55

...is/was an excellent solution:

http://search.ebay.com/alohabob_W0QQfclZ4QQfnuZ1QQfsopZ1QQxpufuZx

to migrate from one PC to another. Usually, your important data is stored in Documents and Settings under your username. If you adhere to Windows' default of keeping all data in the My Documents folder and not scattered all over your hard drive you will be OK. Now, as far as programs go, AlohaBob should work fine, but I would gather up all my installation CDs anyway.

As for your Belkin setup, the typical way to recover is to install the backup application on a new, working PC, and then look for the "Recover" option, select the drive with the backup data, and go.

Best of luck!

Tony

Post 19 of 36

redtoring

by pjh55 - 10/27/06 9:13 AM In reply to: AlohaBob... by wahnula

Thanks for your prompt and courteous help. i will say hello (aloha?) to Aloha Bob and check it out~

chuck

Post 20 of 36

Yes, and very glad I did!

by jmbrinck - 10/27/06 8:56 AM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

From time to time I have installed an app that causes annoying slowdowns, or a device that caused a debilitating conflict. In some cases the app would not completely uninstall, causing a host of problems that once required hours of googling message boards and tech pages for DOS fixes. Now I can restore to an earlier time when the system was stable and the annoying app wasn't even a gleam in my hard drive's eye. One thing I did learn, though, was to create a restore point BEFORE putting anything new on the system...just in case. AND to avoid apps I'm not positively sure I want. Some upgrades (like--ahem--Acrobat 6 Pro) are not welcome on my stable and zippy fast system. More is NOT always better, Adobe!

Post 21 of 36

Yes and Ghost 9 did not work when I went to restore.

by jch629 - 10/27/06 10:31 AM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

So I lost faith in backup systems and have decided to go to a RAID0,1 system and then when the drive failed, I had a problem with making that work, so now I have a RAID 5 system and since I have had no notices of bad disks I am assuming everthing is ok this time! I have a 460+GB nVidia mediashield system and it has been purring along. No more Ghosts.

Post 22 of 36

Sony Vaio VGC-RA 710G

by lakephillip - 10/27/06 11:55 AM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

I have done a C:\\ Drive recovery almost every 6 weeks since buying this machine in Sept '04.
I have turned backing up, and resotration into a habit.

Post 23 of 36

Yes, to restore my operating system to an earlier date.

by jayhelman - 10/27/06 1:10 PM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

I've done that many times. Do not get any of those programs that changes the look of Windows! Like WindowsBlinds & stuff. You're computer will be to slow to even log-in.

Post 24 of 36

Use tune-up utilities if you want to change the GUI....

by lassean1 - 10/27/06 4:02 PM In reply to: Yes, to restore my operating system to an earlier date. by jayhelman

I use the Tune-up Utilities when I am in the mood for a different colored theme. I have never had a problem using this software, let's just say that it is very microsoft friendly. This software actually has about 15 different working applications built in. From Registry cleaner, to icon choosers, to task managers. Nice!! Worth the money.
Try it sometime.

Post 25 of 36

Yes, to restore all my data but not the OS!

by knightwings - 10/27/06 4:34 PM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

Usually when the drive crashes or the OS gets corrupted. I install a nice clean OS and restore all my data. I lost EVERYTHING once when my drive died a horrible death. I now religiously back up everything important.

Post 26 of 36

Yes

by alexhjordan - 10/27/06 4:57 PM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

To return the operating system and system/program necessary files to earlier states, generally after i have messed around with them and corrupted something somewhere accidentally on purpose.

Post 27 of 36

Backups - Absolutely!

by dubbycop - 10/27/06 5:45 PM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

Used backup once when my machine was fried by electrical storm; once when I was hit with a virus and once when some nasty little cracker broke into my machine and took it over. I am nobody particularly important and I do not keep important financial things on my computer so I am guessing that the cracker did it just because he/she could. I am definitely a cheerleader for backups.

Post 28 of 36

Back this up..

by baggyguy1218 - 10/27/06 7:10 PM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

I used to do the weekly backup and save it to a CD but it became so...annoying! I keep my data on a separate partition, like I tell all of my friends and family. But I should do a monthly backup just in case an EMP is released in my general area. I think I will start backing up again, thanks CNET!

Post 29 of 36

Several times to restore an entire disk image

by RobertMTurner - 10/27/06 9:30 PM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

I have had to restore an entire disk image several times after HD failures. More common with laptops then desktops due to the abuse they get. I use Ghost and do weekly full images and nightly incrementals. I began this a number of years ago after I thought I had lost all of my data for the past 9 months since my last backup. I got lucky ... but realized the time invloved in a reload from scratch and the agony of data loss. I have since set-up auto backups and now yuse the image approach.

Post 30 of 36

Nothing to restore

by mrkillerman - 10/28/06 9:50 AM In reply to: Have you ever had to use any of your file backups? by Marc Bennett Moderator

I don't restore because theres nothing on my computer that I need to save.

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