Home audio & video: Buying a new tv, do i really need 1080p
HDDVD vrs BlueRay,,, is the war over yet????? NO! Oh well!
by jcrobso - 9/14/06 9:48 AM In reply to: HDDVD doesn't support 1080p by Alex CibaIn therory, when a HDDVD/BRay player is connect to HDTV via HDMI the two will do a "handshake" routine and then agree on the "best" format that both can support, what ever that is. John
Actualy it does
by breslin - 9/14/06 2:24 PM In reply to: HDDVD doesn't support 1080p by Alex CibaMost, if not all, HD DVDs are mastered in 1080P. The output, for HD DVDs can be either 720P or 1080i. If you have a 1080P TV the 1080i input will be de-interlaced to 1080P in the TV.
The Samsung Blu Ray DVD player converts the 1080P on the disc to 1080i, then converts the 1080i to 1080P. If you us the 1080i or 1080P output of the Samsung into a 1080P TV the picture will look the same.
It may seem odd to convert a 1080P to 1080i, just to convert it back to 1080P. I can't find confirmation of this, but I believe that the HD DVD and Blu Ray DVDs, that are mastered from film, are mastered in 1080P 24 frames per second. 24 FPS is the standard for film. The DVD player then converts the 1080P 24 FPS to 1080i 60 FPS, 60 FPS is the standard for video and TVs. Because 60 is not a multiple of 24 the conversion requires a process called 3:2 pull down. I don't understand the exact process, but in general, the signal is adjusted to keep the signal at the proper speed. There are some TVs that can use different refresh rates, but most are fixed at 60.
WRONG! Only from component or composite inputs......
by mmayer54 - 12/15/06 5:19 PM In reply to: Actualy it does by breslinThe Blue Ray only down converts when hooked up via analogue inputs such as component and composite. Using the HDMI, you get a pure 1080p signal without compression or interlacing. ALWAYS go HDMI! Either direct from the player to the HDTV or thru a 1080p/pass-thru receiver such as the Onkyo TX-SR674, Yamaha RXV 1700 & 2700, Denon 2307 & 2807.
mr breslin happy holiday where have you been
by stewart norrie - 12/15/06 4:41 PM In reply to: Need, no; want, maybe by breslinStewee here I finally got my Sony blue-ray player fired up BAM BAM used the h.d.m.i. cable to my 72" toshiba d.l.p. set and optical to amp Fact is there is a difference in picture quality between 1080I and P but I really dont think you are going to see the difference on smaller screen sizes If someone has a good front projector or huge rear projection t.v. then I would say go for it Another thing about this player is it does not upconvert standard d.v.d. movies as my old Denon 2910/955 So had to stack it on top of the blue ray unit and now floor is starting to sag Sure have missed your fine postes where have you been? Marry Xmas to you and family stewart norrie
Hello Stewee
by breslin - 12/15/06 8:56 PM In reply to: mr breslin happy holiday where have you been by stewart norrieWe have been traveling and I have not had time to check in. I had this thread set to notify me if there was any activity, so I got an email when you made your post.
Merry Christmas to you and your family.
You are so right!
by jbass4west - 12/22/06 7:42 PM In reply to: Need, no; want, maybe by breslinI love that you actually look at the picture and have some understanding of the #'s and the I vs P! It's very confusing to most consumers. So...I.d like to have the new TV tech but! I'm very detial oreinted and don't like the so called artifacts, stairsteping, screen door,loss of detail, and the worse being bluring and in/out of focus during action/sports scenes!!!
Buying a new tv, do i really need 1080p
by AMVanquish5 - 9/15/06 10:33 AM In reply to: Buying a new tv, do i really need 1080p by dynomann1I KNOW THAT MANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE RESPONDED ARE GIVING YOU ACCURATE AND HONEST INFORMATION.
HOWEVER, I HAVE SPENT A FORTUNE ON VARIOUS CIDEO RECORDERS, TELEVISIONS, SOUND SYSTEMS, CAMERAS AND MY LIST COULD CO ON AND ON, BUT IT IS MY EXPERIENCE THAT YOU "SHOULD" BUY WHAT EVER YOU WISH AND FORGET THE SPECS.
I KNOW THAT THIS WILL IRE SOME OF THE READERS BUT IF YOU FIND A TELEVISION YOU LIKE BY IT AND FORGET IT!
JUST A THOUGHT,
DOC
P.S. ALL OF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS CRAP AND AS SOON AS YOU GET YOUR PENULTIMATE SYSTEM I SWEAR THE NEXT DAY THEY WILL COME OUT WITH SOMETHING BETTER.
LASTLY, WITH PANAS0NIC'S NEW 103" 1080P IT ONLY TAKES ABOUT $25,000.00 ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR ALL OF THE JUNK TO MAKE IT LOOK RIGHT.
1080p ftw
by bevillan - 9/15/06 10:38 AM In reply to: Buying a new tv, do i really need 1080p by AMVanquish5For any screen size over 65" I would just get a projector...
Anyways the way I see it is that eventually BR or HD-DVD will become more affordable and more standardized. If you are buying a new TV now, why not get one that supports 1080p HDMI input so you won't have to get a new TV a few years down the road to enjoy more abundant 1080p content. Also if you are buying a PS3 you better have a 1080p TV to get your money's worth out of Sony's super expensive console.
The KDS series from Sony are the best 1080p sets out there and they aren't THAT expensive (~$2500 for the 50").
I like the LCoS tech better because plasmas burn-in way too easy while playing video games.
reply @drmet and @bearvp
by ackmondual - 9/15/06 3:10 PM In reply to: Buying a new tv, do i really need 1080p by AMVanquish5@drmet
The other suggestions are nice and i agree with your post, but i believe the important issue is knowing where the line is. I'm more versed in PCs, so i'll use that example. Ppl who know very ltitle about PCs, about to buy their 1st one may be VERY lost. I've actually met ppl on OL forums who couldn't decide which Alienware PC to get for his home business when a Dell Dimension 4600 at only $400 would've been more than sufficient. Or ppl who buy ipods b/c it looks neat, but when in fact, they were better off going against the crowd and getting another brand MP3 player instead. Once we make sure these Question askers know what they really need/want, then general info and suggestions would be sufficient on the grounds that in end, the end result is the same.
@bearvp
From what i heard, PS3 won't support 1080p right away due to the learning curve for programmers/developers to fully utilize its full HD potential. Loose speculation is give this res a year or 2 to fully come into play
Kinda right, kinda wrong
by Pakman3000 - 9/16/06 7:56 PM In reply to: reply @drmet and @bearvp by ackmondualThe PS3 will support BD right out the box, so you will get 1080p movie goodness out the box. That should justify a 1080p set purchase. Games on the other hand are a different story and go along with what you said. Metal Gear Solid 4 will be in 1080p and the producer Hideo Kojima has said so. THAT ALONE IS WORTH $600! I don't care about the other games LOL.
1080P for use with home theater PC
by Neuro59 - 9/15/06 12:03 PM In reply to: Buying a new tv, do i really need 1080p by dynomann1Lots of great information in the replies about the technical specifications, scaling and such.
The MAIN reason to go with a progressive scan TV at high resolutions is for connecting with your PC through DVI output or through video games with HD output.
Although one must consider the Kell Factor as well. 1080i looks worse then 720P due to detail loss and flicker filtering.
Also, the closer you sit to the television the higher resolution and DPI you are going to want.
So if it is meant only for a TV, to be viewed from across the room, then no 1080P is not necessary yet. (though recommended)
If you intend to play HD movies from your PC (BluRay or HDDVD player also) or HD games from PC or Xbox, (Or have a small living room)then go with high res progressive.
I think you can see an improvement with 1080p
by Anubis[] - 9/15/06 12:46 PM In reply to: Buying a new tv, do i really need 1080p by dynomann1When I was looking for an HDTV, I went to a store that had about 30 or so HDTVs of varying resolution (720p, 1080i, 1080p) up on display. As I casually walked by checking them out (Sonys, Samsungs, Toshibas, etc) I was able, every time, to tell I was looking at a 1080p set before I read what resolution the set had. As long as an HDTV channel was displayed (cable tv coming in at 1080i) I could tell every time. There was a discernable qualitative improvement--it was not huge and I am no expert but I really could see it. It was of course, more noticable when the sets were larger. All the sets were sharing the same cabletv signal.
So, I bought a 56" 1080p set. No regrets.
future proof
by harpoongill - 9/15/06 3:12 PM In reply to: Buying a new tv, do i really need 1080p by dynomann11080p is going to be available on the PS3, and as Blu-Ray and even upconverting gets more available 1080p will be the way to go.
If you can afford it, definitely do it. I've seen it and it looks distinctly better than 1080i, particularly with footage containing a lot of movement.
Difference between 1080i, and 1080p
by coriewright - 9/15/06 9:13 PM In reply to: Buying a new tv, do i really need 1080p by dynomann1It all depends really on what type of picture you want. to get full high definition I would seriously recommend 1080p. P standing for progressive, meaning you are going to get a constant state picture, where as 1080i is interlaced. Just as good, but the t.v has to do more work to give you that HD picture. Granted with both you will be receiving 1920 x 1080 pixels of resolution, but if you want the best in HD go with 1080p. You won't be disappointed.
1080i vs 1080p Clarification.
by davideo - 9/16/06 9:38 AM In reply to: Difference between 1080i, and 1080p by coriewrightActually the TV, no matter what display type, has to work twice as hard to produce 1080p. You're scanning twice as many lines in the same 1/60 sec so the bandwidth of all video amplifiers must be doubled. If we were talking about a CRT type display, the horizontal scanning freq. would have to be doubled also. Much more power required.
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