Community weekly poll: Should manufacturers stop building direct-view (tube) sets?
- 9/7/06 2:50 PM
You think you can get away with that?
by JayScott - 9/8/06 6:06 AM In reply to: Definitely - based upon the energy consumption alone! by davisesI love it when people have a math-free discussion about numbers.
In this forum, you really should know better.
Let's use round numbers, shall we?
if an LCD uses 100 watts less, and you pay $.10/kWh, and you're a total potato and watch 8 hours a day, it would take 7 years to pay back only $200 higher cost. Now, most in the business don't expect them to last any longer than that.
The higher cost of flat screens partly reflects the higher amount of energy and more hazardous waste it takes to make them. I like the planet, so I hate it when people say or do things that feel good, but really do no good, when they could use their energy to actually do good, instead.
You want to really save energy? Turn it off, and the 1,000 watt sound system with it.
It's like the people who feel so good about themselves buying an Accord Hybrid, which gets 4 MPG (!) better than the regular one, which will NEVER repay the pollution and energy involved in making the hybrid system (forget the expense).
Well, you have a way with numbers...
by Zeppo - 9/8/06 1:33 PM In reply to: You think you can get away with that? by JayScottYour use of a Honda ACCORD Hybrid to compare with non Hybrid vehicles getting similar gas mileage is a BAD example.
Try the Honda Civic Hybrid, the Toyota Pris Hybrid, or better yet, compare the new Honda Fit or new Toyota Yaris. Both the Fit and Yaris are inexpensive (around 15G), use only a gas engine, and get around 40 mpg (highway) and in the mid 30's for city driving.
And even your math doesn't lie. By your own example the savings between an LCD and CRT TV in 7 years is about $200 in energy costs. You go on to say the TV will not last that long. Whether is does or doesn't is a mute point - no meaning there at all. The consumer will buy another TV if the first one gives out. CRT TVs are known to last close to 10 years or so, some more, some less. LCD and Plasmas we know about yet but I suspect an LCD will last close to ten years.
Your message shows your view is narrow, that is, you are thinking in terms of one user at a time, the cost to them personally. But conservation of anything is based on people doing their part in large numbers. Recycling is one example - saves a lot of energy that would be needed if cans, bottles and paper had to be made from scratch. What benefit does the consumer get from recycling? Well, two things: 1) Lower prices for products made of, or used with, recycled materials; 2) Personal satisfaction out of knowing that we are unselfishly doing something for the good of ALL of us, and the planet.
So, back to your math example: If a very large number of us switch to LCD or Plasma TV's when our old ones fail, (which IS what is happening) then the NEED for energy by this country is reduced by a huge amount, which can reduce the burning of coal and oil.
Now I am not a rocket scientist, nor am I a religious person, but I do believe in things greater than myself - we, as humans in huge numbers doing things that are good for all of us as a whole!
Using consumer products such as LCD/Plasma TVs and LCD computer monitors along with other Energy Star compliant appliances makes for a huge reduction in energy consumption in this country. On the personal level, this is a reduction in energy used in each household, which reduces the stress on electrical systems within the home and saves the consumer some money. And don't bother with any argument about the high cost of LCD TVs - these have been dropping in price steadily as the numbers of consumers have buying them have increased. Eventually, an LCD TV of comparable size will cost no more than the old CRTs many of us want to cling to.
One point it seems some are missing...
by BlazeEagle - 9/10/06 4:58 PM In reply to: Well, you have a way with numbers... by ZeppoWhich type of screen takes overall LESS resources to manufacture and upkeep/maintain? That is the question.
My contribution
by CWatkinsNash - 9/8/06 7:05 PM In reply to: You think you can get away with that? by JayScottI like to think I'm helping by keeping my current 36" CRT out of the landfill. I plan on doing the same thing that I did with my last TV (which lasted for 12 years) - keep it until it's dead.
Saves me money too, and that never hurts.
Say goodbye to definition in the blacks. OOPs...
by AVPro - 9/8/06 6:20 AM In reply to: Definitely - based upon the energy consumption alone! by davisesI forgot LCD panels can't do black
Picture tube ??? How 20th Century !!!
by herrwitt - 9/8/06 3:05 AM In reply to: Should manufacturers stop building direct-view (tube) sets? by Marc Bennett
The market will utimately decide the fate of tube tvs ... As the price for the manufacture of flat screens falls , the temptation always exists to drop the tube from existance ... Alas , the marketplace will decide the fate of the tube set ... Just as transistors became the integral parts of tv's , so will the flat screen replace the tube ...
(NT) Cool factor vs quality-How 21st century
by AVPro - 9/8/06 6:22 AM In reply to: Picture tube ??? How 20th Century !!! by herrwittWhy should anybody buy a new CRT now?
by sidsen - 9/8/06 3:21 AM In reply to: Should manufacturers stop building direct-view (tube) sets? by Marc Bennett
Come on!
Less weight,try lugging around a 21" CRT.
No Degaussing.
Less if nearly none radiation unless you are EM radiation proof or are a NUKE.
Less energy consumption or do you prefer to burn the earth with this and your Hummer?
Smaller footprint, hence cleaner and less clutter.
Ability to use digital input for better definition, maybe this is not true, since I am not a techie- it is probable that very modern CRT can have digital input.
The price differential between a CRT and an LCD is now marginal, so there maybe no point in changing your CRT if it works OK for the present, but if you are looking for a new monitor, please do move into the 21st century.
You know what PT Barnum said?....
by AVPro - 9/8/06 6:39 AM In reply to: Why should anybody buy a new CRT now? by sidsenNice post. Too bad most is untrue
1 My CRT HDTV has a digital input
2 It has a better quality picture than any flat display on the market
3 I don't carry my TV around why do you? If you are talking about a computer monitor different story but try buying a laptop.
4 Energy savings are tiny and you'll be spending thousands on a new display years before my CRT wears out
NO WAY!
by jbaviera - 9/8/06 3:52 AM In reply to: Should manufacturers stop building direct-view (tube) sets? by Marc Bennett
To find a LCD, Plasma, etc., to fit into the hole of my $3000 wall unit, I'll loose about 30% of my picture. This means that anything I watch that isn't in "Hi Def" will be considerably smaller. As I can't tell the difference in image quality anyway, I have to say, "No Thanks".
Too expensive
by Irelands child - 9/8/06 5:04 AM In reply to: Should manufacturers stop building direct-view (tube) sets? by Marc Bennett
With the nightly garbage that is offered on TV, the costs are way too high for plasma/flat panel TVs for an incidental watcher who might watch PBS, the news or an occasional sports program. And there are a heck of lot more of us than the TV moguls want to admit to their "adoring" public. Of my friends, I do not know a single person that watches sitcoms and few watch movie channels - again, why, for the junk that didn't make it at the theaters??
There are still millions of people out there....
by rooster32j - 9/8/06 5:04 AM In reply to: Should manufacturers stop building direct-view (tube) sets? by Marc Bennett
People still own the older style TV's and just because we are in vogue with new technology does not mean the rest of the country is ready. Oh and did I mention the industry? The cable companies don't even have a full line of HD channels yet. Some companies don't even have the "CAPABILITY TO BROADCAST" HD never mind actually carry the channels. I have Time Warner and get a grand total of 7 HD channels and one of them is a Newyork Yankee channel so I sure as heck aint watching THAT so now I only have 6.
However I do love my 42" LCD "LG", it can do everything except brush my teeth, unfortunately these monsters are ahead of the power curve. We actually have to wait for everyone else to catch up. But watching sporting events and DVD's is unbelievable and coupled with the surround sound...why even leave the house? What wife and kids?
try comcast or dish network!
by gritsdummy - 9/29/06 2:35 PM In reply to: There are still millions of people out there.... by rooster32ji am still being paitent that comcast will air more hd channels.if not i am going to the dish network.
No but they will anyway
by AVPro - 9/8/06 5:07 AM In reply to: Should manufacturers stop building direct-view (tube) sets? by Marc Bennett
The average consumer is entirely clueless when it comes to the quality of CRT vs Flat (LCD or Plasma). The cool factor of having a TV hung on your wall has out striped the desire for quality. How else can you explain consumers rushing to buy a display device for HDTV that is only capable of displaying a fraction of true HD resolution, has a reduced life span (plasma), can easily suffer image burn (plasma again) or has no detail in the black (LCD).
I sat on this desision for a while and finally settled on one of the last Sony HD CRTs (34" WEGA) which I've heard will go out of production after this year. While 34" may be considered small these days, the contrast, sharpness and color reproduction blows away flat displays despite their larger size. If I had a dedicated home theatre room with a 100" or larger screen, I'd probably go 3 chip LCOS.
Buy hey that's just me and after 30 years as an AV systems designer and tech with display experience dating back to the Advent 1000A I'm not impressed by 'cool'.
IN THE UK THERE IS VERY LITTLE CHOICE ANYWAY
by kevin.gott - 9/8/06 5:09 AM In reply to: Should manufacturers stop building direct-view (tube) sets? by Marc Bennett
Yes lets stop the building of direct-view (tube) sets. They were good in their time but are history now. They were far to bulky and took up far to much room. All that aside in the UK the decision has been made for us. All that is left in the stores are every other countries rejects. More than 90% of your choice is now LCD, TFT or of course Plasma. The others are whats left of old stock (At give away prices) and some weird and obscure very large square tubed sets. Lets face it when most programes are in widescreen who would buy a 29'' square screen because it was less than £300? Oh and by the way yes the confusion on what LCD, TFT or Plasma screened device to buy is rife in the UK as well. For sure though there is one obviouse point, if you want to watch HDTV you will have to 1. Buy the HD ready TV, 2. Buy the relevant set top box and finally pay the extra subscription to SKY for the privelidge of watching HDTV (Extra £10 per month). By the way not a murmour from our cable suppliers as to what they are going to offer and when. Although cable is not available for all.
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