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MP3 players: Need Help Deciding, Ipod or Vision:M?
So....
by Perfectdarkmini - 8/26/06 6:58 PM In reply to: iPod by daveworldIf I'm purchasing a skin for the iPod, which brand do uou recommend??? I've never purchased a skins for my iPod mini before since I never had to....:P
Thanks.
So many
by daveworld - 8/26/06 8:27 PM In reply to: So.... by PerfectdarkminiBelkin has good cases, but what I would recomend is seeing them in person. Some cases covers the scroll wheel, which may cause "fast scrolling" to be useless. I had to cut the center part of my Incase to get back "fast scrolling" on the iPod.
http://www.ilounge.com/images/uploads/iPodLthrSlv5g.jpg
The mini has a scratch resistance surface so yeah you really didn't need a case. Bad Apple!
good luck
Zen doesn't do audio books?
by cymaldonado - 8/28/06 5:29 AM In reply to: iPod by daveworldSee books under Entertainment on the left-hand side of this link:
http://www.zencast.com/
It appears they do audio books and lots more.
A Zencast is not a podcast
by J.G. - 8/28/06 6:17 PM In reply to: Zen doesn't do audio books? by cymaldonadoThe Zen site does not have a reference to audiobooks. You might want to actually examine a site before linking to it in the future.
Furthermore, the Zen site is just plain sad. Compared to the iTunes Music Store, it is virtually empty.
Don't be so arrogant!
by cymaldonado - 8/28/06 8:30 PM In reply to: A Zencast is not a podcast by J.G.OK. So you accuse me of not looking at the site before I post it. But I did. Again at:
http://www.zencast.com/
On the Gallery menu under Entertainment, I see a category called books. Wouldn't, for example the one marked "Audiobook - Tom Corven" count as an audiobook? After all, my example, was just in response to your original comment that the Zen doesn't do audiobooks. Don't like the selection? OK Go to http://www.audible.com for thousands of available books -- all compatible with the Zen player.
As to a Zencast not being a podcast? Podcasts, short for Personal On Demand broadcast, is defined in the New Oxford American Dictionary as "a digital recording of a radio broadcast or similar program, made available on the Internet for downloading to a personal audio player". Zencast seems to be the same to me. What difference do you see -- is it because it's not made be Apple? Again I submit that a Zen player is capable of audiobooks and podcasts just as well as an iPOD.
One link to an audiobook is enough?
by J.G. - 8/31/06 4:20 PM In reply to: Don't be so arrogant! by cymaldonadoBoggles the mind.
There are thousands of audiobooks iTMS. Perhaps Zen users are on a diet, though.
Maybe you should do your research!
by jchrismen - 9/1/06 7:07 PM In reply to: One link to an audiobook is enough? by J.G.The Zen supports audiocast maybe you should do your homework before "flame bating" other peoples reply.The
Zen vision m is a great device with support for 8 different video formats and has a SN ratio of 97 Db( great audio playback).If your only arguement is itunes then you are not answering the question which is which device is better. built in fm reciever,voice recording ,high definition color screen,4.5 hours of video playback, plays WMA's.these are the reason that make the ZVM so great
Not one . . . thousands
by cymaldonado - 9/1/06 10:30 PM In reply to: One link to an audiobook is enough? by J.G.Actually one IS enough to prove a point -- as I was responding to a post that stated that the Zen couldn't play audiobooks. But I guess logic defies some iPod users.
And if you read further in my post I gave a link that had thousands of books available as well.
But most of all I wanted a user not to make a buying decision based on erroneous information.
Uneducated
by michael6451 - 9/2/06 3:13 PM In reply to: One link to an audiobook is enough? by J.G.Most of ITMS audio books are sponsored by audible.com. I think that audible may even have a larger selection than ITMS. Since the vision and the ipod will suport audible your post makes you seem like your mind is very easy to boggle.
For your information
by J.G. - 8/30/06 9:49 PM In reply to: A Zencast is not a podcast by J.G.First, I am not the person who initially told you that the Zen site has little or no reference to audiobooks. Someone else deserves the credit for that.
Second, the Zen site has some links to other sites, but, they are not necessarily links to anything about audiobooks.
Third, Audible is one of Apple's major partners. Apple saved its bacon with a sweet deal to sell Audible content at the iTunes Music Store a few years ago. As a result, most Audible content is available at iTMS, sometimes at a discount. Of course, only iPod owners can take advantage of that. Fair enough. Apple saved Audible from bankruptcy, not Creative.
Fourth, Creative itself has now partnered with Apple in its Made for iPod program. That may mean that Creative will focus on making iPod peripherals, perhaps even phasing out its own MP3 players.
A person considering buying a Zen should have this infomation available to consider.
Clarification
by cymaldonado - 9/1/06 5:09 AM In reply to: For your information by J.G.Yes, it is true you were not the originator of the falsehood that the Zen does not do audiobooks. That person has acknowledged see: "I was wrong" -- on this thread) that the Zen product does indeed do Audiobooks (including the complete line from Audible) which you mention.
Second it is true that Creative now partnered with Apple in making iPod peripherals. But this is just part of a settlement where Creative won $100 million from Apple for patent infringement (stealing the interface) on part of the iPod.
See:
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/aug/23settlement.html
I don't think your contention that Creative will revolve around Apple peripherals and abandon their MP3 players is well founded.
I was wrong
by daveworld - 8/29/06 12:27 PM In reply to: Zen doesn't do audio books? by cymaldonadomeant to say the Vision: M does not support Audible but it also looks like they came out with a firmware that supports it.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6533333.html
zencast.com
by audioedition.org - 1/19/07 2:35 PM In reply to: Zen doesn't do audio books? by cymaldonadoFirst I want to thank cymaldonado for interesting information.
I think compatibility issue is very important. Protected iTunes content can only be played on an iPod, and as it was already mentioned here, most of iTunes content is available elsewhere with different DRM encoding (e.g. audiobooks from audible, and the music is mostly available from other sources).
Either Audible, or any PlaysForSure DRM content can be played on many (usualy some hundreds) of players, when the same content from iTunes can only be played on an iPod.
iTunes does have some content exclusive to the service, but it is only a small percentage, and in my mind, the most interesting exclusives are the free, non DRM protected Podcasts anyway.
Perhaps more importantly in this forum is the fact that an iPod is NOT compatible with any PlaysForSure protected file or service. So alltogether, if using an online service for content is important, or might become important, and there's no large library of protected iTunes ( FairPlay ) content involved, I would lean towards Janus (PlaysForSure) AND Audible compatible Zen.
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by udayan71
- 8/27/06 11:22 AM
In reply to: Need Help Deciding, Ipod or Vision:M? by Perfectdarkmini
Definately Zen
by tblaschk - 8/27/06 6:15 PM In reply to: Need Help Deciding, Ipod or Vision:M? by PerfectdarkminiAs an owner of both items (purchased the [black] iPod, and won the [also black] Zen in a skateboard competition), I could only tell you to purchase the Creative. I use both players when I'm skating, and the iPod hard drive skips (which isn't going to be an issue unless your player gets the same kind of treatment as mine) and the battery gets really hot and doesn't hold its charge as long as it used to. The creative plays videos a little better, and the sound quality is as good as my old Sony NW-HD5 (crystal clear). Also, to answer your main question, the Zen has no scratches, despite falling out of my pocket more times than I wish it did, and it's slightly bigger size and weight means it has more substance.
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