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by maria Morris - 8/18/06 8:02 AM
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Can someone tell me what virtual memory is?

by maria Morris - 8/18/06 8:02 AM

Can someone tell me what virtual memory is I sometimes get this message when I'm editing my video's . " your virtual memory is low" after I see this I don't know what to do. Thank you Maria

Post 3 of 16

I would like to know that answer as well!!

by misticrose00462 - 8/25/06 4:04 AM In reply to: Can someone tell me what virtual memory is? by maria Morris

I am so glad that you answered that question. I get the same some times, "your virtual memory is low", and I would like to know the same answer. I can only tell you what I do when I get that message. I usually just close out all my open windows and do a disk clean-up and disk defrag and empty my recycle bin and make sure cookies is empty. It seems to go away for a while but I don't know what to do to get the virtual memory back up or how to check it.

I noticed that it does that when I have alot of different windows opened at one time. I don't know if that is the case with you or not? I don't know if the things I do help you but maybe they might.

I wish someone else out there would PLEASE help us!

Phylis

Post 4 of 16

The link Bob Proffitt...

by GeeBee - 8/25/06 5:40 AM In reply to: I would like to know that answer as well!! by misticrose00462

...provided explains it all fully.

If you need it in less words :

RAM = CHIPS on little boards

When the RAM on those is completely filled up by applications and programs, your OS (Windows) begins to store the files on the Hard Drive space. This is termed ''Virtual Memory'', because it's not Memory (it's hard drive storage space), but being used in the same way...it's, let's say it together....Virtual Memory!

If your Hard Drive is full, or brimming with scattered files, that can't happen effectively and, hey presto ; ''your virtual memory is low''.

That's why dumping temporary files, and cleaning out some of the rubbish that is filling up your hard drive space, temporarily cures the problem. If you need more than that...use the link Mr. Proffitt already provided! ;)

GB.

Post 5 of 16

answers

by jody - 8/25/06 9:28 AM In reply to: I would like to know that answer as well!! by misticrose00462

Check out ''Virtual Memory some additional information.'' I solved a very bad problem with this using these very simple steps. I have always kept things cleaned up, but it didn't help much. No more problems now.
Jody

Post 6 of 16

What is virtual memory?

by rpernicano - 8/25/06 6:26 PM In reply to: I would like to know that answer as well!! by misticrose00462

I also get that,Including,,"you have no page file",,,,,I go through all the help that it tells you to do, but the page file never stays . In other words, after I put in that I want 512m of memory for my page file, ,,when it pops up again, it's not there,,,it says I have 0 in my page file,and when I go to "advanced"area, there is a 0 !,,What's with that??

Post 7 of 16

Virtual Memory some additional information

by kobi33 - 8/25/06 6:05 AM In reply to: Can someone tell me what virtual memory is? by maria Morris

Everyone is correct....too many applications open, too much junk on your hard drive (hard drive is full)..you will get this message. In the ''old days'' when memory was only 4/8 and even 16 mbytes......Windows 3.1.1, Windows 95, Windows 98 and YES XP the applications running would need more memory ....therefore a section of your hard drive was dedicated for these read/writes or SWAPs...which is why it is also called SWAP file. Usually MS recommends allow Windows to manage virtual memory but here from XP help is how you can change it.
Open System in Control Panel.
.....On the Advanced tab, under Performance, click Settings.
On the Advanced tab, under Virtual memory, click Change.
Under Drive [Volume Label], click the drive that contains the paging file you want to change.
Under Paging file size for selected drive, click Custom size, and type a new paging file size in megabytes in the Initial size (MB) or Maximum size (MB) box, and then click Set.

Post 8 of 16

I had the same problem

by jody - 8/25/06 9:20 AM In reply to: Virtual Memory some additional information by kobi33

I had a bad problem with this and also didn't know what it was. After searching in my Help and Support files for Virtual Memory, I followed the steps you recommend with one exception...I let Windows choose the size and have had no more problems. For some unknown reason, the page file had been set to about half the recommended size.
Jody

Post 9 of 16

Memory that does not physically exist.

by Mark0 - Technologist - 8/25/06 7:26 AM In reply to: Can someone tell me what virtual memory is? by maria Morris

Virtual (RAM) Memory is:

Short answer:

A) RAM memory that does not physically exist

B) Is used to describe a technique where Only Part or Parts (fractions) of a program (or operating system) are loaded into memory at any given time, thereby allowing any INFINATE sized program to execute in a FINATE size of memory.

Long answer:

Windows uses a "swap file" on the hard drive to write information that it moves out of RAM. This makes more RAM available for other programs and data.

Video is ALOT of data.

Look at Start/Settings/Control Panel/System/Advanced,
Performance/Settings/Advanced Tab/Virtual Memory to see what size and scheme your Windows Page/swap file is.

"your virtual memory is low" refers to the Windows page/swap file getting full.

Your options here are: Custom size, System Managed Size (automatic) and No paging file.

Ether: Custom size was selected and the Maximun size was to low, or No paging file was selected.

Simply selecting "System managed size" is the default and should work for most people in most cases.

Post 10 of 16

Get more RAM

by jimoon - 8/25/06 8:28 AM In reply to: Memory that does not physically exist. by Mark0 - Technologist

All the answers posted are good explanations, but they also overlook the main issue...you need more RAM most likely. One of the most basic issues with computers for the past two decades has been too little RAM and too little hard drive space. Thus, newer computers come with lots of RAM and huge hard drives. When you don't have enough RAM, you will see your hard drive light running most of the time as your system swaps data from the hard drive to the RAM and back. This is your system compensating for not enough RAM. If your hard drive has lots of files and is nearly full, then there is not enough space to swap to as virtual RAM. You may also have files stored in a disorganized fashion, so the hard drive may not be able to effectively store swap files from RAM. One of the best remedies over the years is to install more RAM, if your system will handle it. A good way to see if that is possible is to visit www.crucial.com and click on the link to "Scan My System". It will tell you whether you can add RAM, and recommend what you can add. You should also use Windows built in features of ScanDisk and Defrag to improve the efficiency of your hard drive.

Post 11 of 16

and it's not that daunting a task.....

by ackmondual - 8/25/06 10:18 AM In reply to: Get more RAM by jimoon

You'll want to refer to Crucial's guides on how to install system RAM. Due to the many types off PCs, Crucial's walkthrough will be generic. Also refer to your motherboard's/PC manufacturer's user manual for the specifics on how to open the case and where/how exactly to plug in the sticks of memory. Unless your PC is more say... 10 years old, once you know where stuff goes, it's only a few notches harder than inserting a CD into your CD-ROM drive.

Post 12 of 16

In Addition...

by Striderslip - 8/25/06 10:27 AM In reply to: and it's not that daunting a task..... by ackmondual

I would be remiss not to mention our Host's Learning Academy, specifically "How to Play PC Games" for a step-by-step guide to installing new RAM and why. Regards, Striderslip

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Virtual Memory Message

by Striderslip - 8/25/06 10:21 AM In reply to: Get more RAM by jimoon

All of the above are excellent suggestions. Getting more RAM is the "quick fix". I enjoy a combat flight simulator game which uses massive resources and would crash to desktop after a while until I read an article that suggested setting the virtual memory amount as described above (control panel-performance---etc.) to 3 times your present RAM installed. Doing so improved my situation but not a complete cure. More Ram was the magic fix. Also consider using "msconfig." to turn off unneccessary services (why run network services if you're not on a network?) and cull the start-up menu of items that are only used occasionally. Start them when you need them; otherwise, you're using resources that would be better applied to your present application and reduce the load on the SWAP file. Lots of other threads will tell you how. Good luck!!! Striderslip

Post 14 of 16

Try this program for a quick fix

by saleh.2201 - 8/25/06 5:55 PM In reply to: Virtual Memory Message by Striderslip

I had the same problem. The easy quick fix I use is a little free program called "WinCleaner Memory Optimizer".You can find it at download.com. It really works. You will never see that dreaded pop-up message again!

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English Answer Here, Finally!

by JayScott - 8/28/06 9:51 PM In reply to: Can someone tell me what virtual memory is? by maria Morris

It seems people replying to this post ''say'' everything, except to answer the original question. So here goes:

1) When a program runs, it has to ask Windows for ''chunks'' of memory when it needs to store something.

2) Other programs also do the same thing, and there's only so much memory.

3) If there's not actually enough memory (RAM) to satisfy the request (1), then Windows has a ''Plan B'': it finds a chunk of memory that hasn't been used for a long time, and copies it out to the disk, then gives it to the program that asked for it.

4) Eventually, the program that ''owns'' the memory that got copied out in (3) may want to use it. Then, Windows will find another ''old'' chunk of memory, copy IT out to the disk, and copy the chunk from (3) back in.

And so on. Since disk speeds are measured in milliseconds, and memory speeds are measured in nanoseconds, which are a million times smaller, you can see that doing this much will slow down your machine. Amazingly, a desktop machine can tolerate a fair amount of paging/swapping (used synonymously) without appearing to slow down much to a human observer. On the other hand, laptop hard drives are typically 3 - 4 times slower than desktop drives (for lower power usage), so it's a much bigger problem on laptops.

When you get that message, it really "just" means that Windows is increasing the size of your page/swap file. Unfortunately, programs that request more memory while it's doing that can get errors, instead. (I have no idea why that seemed like a good idea.)

The simple solution is to stick more memory in your PC. Unfortunately, no matter how much memory you have, and how little you need, XP will still swap some. Please don't ask me why: other Operating Systems don't, but we're talking about Windows here.

An even simpler (and free) solution is to try configuring the ''initial page file size'' to the size yours normally is. That way, you won't get the obnoxious message (and possible errors) while Windows increases the page file size. Also, to add insult to injury, when it increases the page file size, it almost always ''fragments'' the file, storing the new part on a different place on the hard drive from the old part(s), which makes it even (much) slower to access. (Double bad.)

So, how much swap space do you need? You can tell how much memory you're using currently if you fire up Task Manager, and look at the ''Commit Charge'' (at the bottom). Then subtract the physical memory (RAM) size, listed on My Computer->Properties->General, and you have the (very) approximate amount of swap (page) file space you need right now.

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